the 270 for elk?


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txcookie
January 13, 2013, 12:50 PM
I have been reading on this lately and have discovered this to be a rather touchy topic. While some say its just not enough , other simply swear by it and claim the 270 as an Ideal cartridge. It certainly has the numbers to back it up with both 130, or 150 grain bullets as it shoots fast and hits hard.

I recently got a rem CDL in 270 and it shoots 130 cor lokts so well that my confidence with this rifle is higher than any other. No elk hunts planned but its nice to study upon this.

Let me know your opinions on this and better yet experience

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fdashes
January 13, 2013, 12:56 PM
good bullet and good bullet placement=good dead elk. Tell people the 270 is the perfect caliber often enough and it will eventually become fact.

browningguy
January 13, 2013, 12:57 PM
I think the .270 is just fine, although if I was going on an elk hunt I would prefer a 140 gr. high quality bullet, just in case the angle of the shot wasn't perfect.

fdashes
January 13, 2013, 01:07 PM
I don't think the 270 is just fine but I do think it's ok. I also don't think a 140 grain bullet will make up for an imperfect 130 grain shot. Just my opinion and I do know and understand what you are saying

The_Armed_Therapist
January 13, 2013, 01:11 PM
The .270 will easily do the trick, plain and simple.

Someone recently posted on here (I think it was on here...) a video of a woman taking an elk at 600 yard or so with a .243. It was pretty much down and out when it got hit. Use a .270 within decent ranges, and the elk doesn't stand a chance.

climbnjump
January 13, 2013, 01:15 PM
I think the .270 is just fine, although if I was going on an elk hunt I would prefer a 140 gr. high quality bullet, just in case the angle of the shot wasn't perfect.

I agree and have used both 140 gr AccuBond and 140 gr Barnes TSX on elk.

Fremmer
January 13, 2013, 01:29 PM
A lot of people successfully use the 140-150 grain rounds on elk every year.

txcookie
January 13, 2013, 02:10 PM
I am a recovering bowholic and when shooting at big game can only see from an archers perspective. IF my pse set at 60 pounds can drive a XX75 arrow thru an elks vitals at 45-50 yards then my 270 should be able to drive a 130 grain corlokt home out to 400 right??? this yr I tooK 2 hogs and a deer with the new 270. All pass thrus all shots were inbetween 90 to 120 yards. hogs were 150ish and 100ish. The 270 seemed everybit as devistating as my 30.06.

Kachok
January 13, 2013, 03:52 PM
In the 270 caliber I would opt for a bonded or partitiond bullet, prefrably in 140gr-160gr. Accubonds, Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, or Partitions would be my first choice. It is hard to go too heavy a bullet on elk class game.

c.latrans
January 13, 2013, 04:00 PM
Literally TONS of elk meat have come home in the back of my pick up that were laid low by various measly .270's, including some very big bodied bulls. I shot my first elk at age 12 with a .270, and many more fell to it until I grew up and started buying my own toys. My son shot a .270 growing up, my daughter and wife still do. Pop them through the lungs with a 150 grain Nosler partition and start figuring out how to get the truck as close as you can!

gspn
January 13, 2013, 04:45 PM
It's plenty. I have an old friend who has hunted elk his whole life...he's a former member of the Wyoming game and fish commission no less...a lifelong accomplished hunter...he used a .257 Roberts on every one of them and never lost one.

Having said that...know your gun, know yourself, and take shots you know you can make.

natman
January 13, 2013, 04:49 PM
I would prefer a bit more bullet weight and frontal area, so I wouldn't pick a 270 as an elk rifle, but if that's what I had I'd load some 150 grain premium bullets and go hunting.

Captcurt
January 13, 2013, 05:21 PM
I like big calibers, but most people who claim that a 270 is too small for elk, have never shot one with any caliber. With the proper bullet and bullet placement a 270 will work fine.

Lupinus
January 13, 2013, 05:32 PM
There are also people who think you can't shoot a deer with anything less than a 300wsm too.

Deer and elk are not armor plated, you just have to poke a sufficient hole in the right spot. .270 is perfectly capable. .243...capable but defiantly stretching it.

WYOMan
January 13, 2013, 06:55 PM
.270 for elk? Why not?? You can use more, but you don't NEED to.

avs11054
January 13, 2013, 06:58 PM
I've heard that as a rule of thumb, 1200 ft/lbs of energy is the minimum needed to kill and elk. The right .270 bullets provide that energy at 400 yards. The only gun my dad ever used to hunt elk was a 270. He took numerous elk with it. This coming fall will most likely be the first time I've elk hunted in 10 years. I planned on using his .270, but recently bought a .308, so I will be using that instead.

txcookie
January 13, 2013, 08:18 PM
I see alot of talk on the right bullet. My rifle clovers 130 grain core lokts. If I limit myself to broadside shots shouldnt that work just fine? I avoid bones even on hogs and whitetails so shooting for lungs is nothing new for me.

Fremmer
January 13, 2013, 08:32 PM
If the manufacturer says to use for elk, then go for it.

TexasPatriot.308
January 13, 2013, 09:34 PM
the 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08, .308, .257 Roberts are plenty enough...there is just so much a fad trend for magnums and wsms cause "hunters" read too much and watch too many "hunting shows". the 30-06 will do it all, but todays "hunters" are just real gullible.

c.latrans
January 13, 2013, 10:05 PM
Respectfully, you are planning for the perfect situation, which rarely happens (to me, anyway) when actually elk hunting. You are shooting a very good bullet, and I have no doubt that a broadside shot to the vitals would result in a very dead elk in short order. Consider, though, that you have spent a bunch of money to set up this shot......350 yards quartering away.....or looking back over his shoulder at you in the timber at 75 yards giving you the opening to slip a bullet in ahead of the hip, but behind the ribs. You have the accuracy and trajectory to pull these shots off easily. But, when the bullet arrives, it may have to penetrate a very big paunch, full of pounds and pounds of wet, heavy, partially digested veggies before it even gets to the lungs.....and in this situation, you are likely to hit only one lung. This might end in a very different result. I have killed them with many calibers, including a .243 shooting 100 grain Nosler partitions. Yeah, I am partial to this bullet. In fact, I shoot it almost exclusively in the .300 Win. mag I have used to shoot elk for the last 20 years. I know from experience that I can shoot a bull quartering away as described and have plenty of energy left to lodge in the brisket or blow through. Couple that with the fact that you don't NEED extreme accuracy when hunting elk as they have a great big vital area to shoot at. IMHO, if I were in your situation, I would experiment a little and try to find a load shooting a premium 150 grain bullet that your rifle likes. Money well spent, in my view. Plus, its fun! Good luck, either way!

blindhari
January 13, 2013, 10:16 PM
I have been known to use a 45-70 on elk out to 80yds and a 308 out to 180 yds with success. That being said I have seen my brother in law use a bow at 20 yds and a 270 out to 400yds on elk. He has used an old Remington 700 for years. He has some offbrand scope (3 X 9 variable). He uses this gun on everything including vamint and just does not miss. After a 19 year wait he was drawn for buffalo, you only get one tag in your lifetime here in AZ, and I had pneumonia. Sent our son a ticket to go on this hunt and this is what we were told by him. Into a moving herd of 13 my brother in law took a kneeling position at just under 100yds and fired three times very quickly. Followed herd into Kaibab wilderness area and found downed bison 600 yds in. Rolled bison onto a tarp and started dragging to road. at 8am. Got bison out at 7 pm with snow still falling and started butchering. Our son said there were three entry points within a handspan, all heart shots. No through penetration they found all three corelokts.
Bow, 308, 45-70, .270 they all work, some just do it further away.

blindhari

sixgunner455
January 14, 2013, 01:08 AM
.270? Hah. Try telling people you're going to use a .243, and see what happens. Talk about touchy!

.270 is easily enough elk medicine.

txcookie
January 14, 2013, 01:24 AM
ok so to avoid paying alot of money on ammo would you guys recomend bonded ammo?

fusion, W power bonded, remington core lokt ultra have good prices and with the xtra wt retention I would figure they would be plenty for an elk.

I dont know why I am spending so much time looking into this when I dont plan to chase elk for yrs and even then I do have a 30.06 which would do just fine with any 180 grain bullet....

35 Whelen
January 14, 2013, 01:25 AM
I've heard that as a rule of thumb, 1200 ft/lbs of energy is the minimum needed to kill and elk. The right .270 bullets provide that energy at 400 yards. The only gun my dad ever used to hunt elk was a 270. He took numerous elk with it. This coming fall will most likely be the first time I've elk hunted in 10 years. I planned on using his .270, but recently bought a .308, so I will be using that instead.
Energy doesn't kill anything. Vital organs destroyed by projectiles does.

To that end, it's really very simple; select a bullet that will penetrate well and shoot them through the lungs. Any elk with holes in both lungs WILL die shortly.

I'm not an expert, but I've killed four bulls; one with a 7 x 57 and three with a 35 Whelen. They're very large animals and as such, I prefer a bullet that penetrates more deeply (i.e.- TSX) rather than one that offers a large frontal area (Accubond, etc.)

35W

Kachok
January 14, 2013, 08:24 AM
ok so to avoid paying alot of money on ammo would you guys recomend bonded ammo?

fusion, W power bonded, remington core lokt ultra have good prices and with the xtra wt retention I would figure they would be plenty for an elk.

I dont know why I am spending so much time looking into this when I dont plan to chase elk for yrs and even then I do have a 30.06 which would do just fine with any 180 grain bullet....
While the 270 is enough gun for elk within reasonable ranges if you have a good 06 that would be a no brainer. On a budget regular ol core-lokts in heavy weights work like a charm especially the 180 grainer.

c.latrans
January 14, 2013, 12:12 PM
As we seem to be in the theoretical here, Kachok has it right. Any good 180 out of that .30-06 is elk medicine. Look at it this way. I live where I can buy an elk tag over the counter every year, some years we can also apply for an extra cow tag or two. We have 5 weeks to hunt them and have access to places that not everybody in the world gets to hunt. That being said, I have no qualms about having a .270 in my hands as I can afford to be a little choosy at times. If I were saving for a big trip out west to shoot my first elk, and had a .30-06, I would use it. But if all I had was a .270, I would not feel under gunned in most cases.....but I would use premium 150 grain bullets. My daughter, though, has a model 70 that will under no circumstances shoot 150 grain bullets. She shoots her elk with 130 grain partitions, and if she hits nothing but ribs, we usually don't find the bullet. At the same time, I had to finish one cow for her that she punched through the shoulders. I am sure the elk would have laid down and died....after she ran to the bottom of the coulee....but a quick coup de grace saved HOURS of packing.

brnmw
January 14, 2013, 12:56 PM
The .270 Win. has proven itself to be an Elk stopper time and time again.. as with any caliber... good shot placement= no problem. :)

41 Mag
January 15, 2013, 04:39 AM
Your .270 is plenty to bring down an elk, and more, provided you do your part. Use some common sense and choose a decent bullet and or weight for your hunt and put your shot through the boiler works and you will be hauling meat home.

Nothing spectacular about the elk we have nowadays verses the ones they had 100yrs ago, other than the hype surrounding some of the "YOU MUST USE THIS" caliber and/or bullet that have been brought out since then.

Like you said,
I am a recovering bowholic and when shooting at big game can only see from an archers perspective. IF my pse set at 60 pounds can drive a XX75 arrow thru an elks vitals at 45-50 yards then my 270 should be able to drive a 130 grain corlokt home out to 400 right?

You already know what limitations are being a bowhunter, so you know how to WAIT for the shot you WANT, and not take something you know in your mind isn't, or that shouldn't be taken, simply for the sake of shooting something your going to have to track down and or loose.

Choose the most accurate bullet for your rifle learn to shoot it well and go use it properly, and you won't be disappointed.

Ankeny
January 15, 2013, 11:38 AM
I like big calibers, but most people who claim that a 270 is too small for elk, have never shot one with any caliber. Could be true on the Internet, but when these topics come up in Wyoming with guides, outfitters, and game wardens, I think the experience level is about as good as it gets. I shot three elk this year, a nice branch antlered bull and two cows. One cow and the bull were taken with a 6.5-284, the other cow with a 7mm-08. But like others are saying, some of us live out here and we can be picky about our shots. Heck, all three of the elk I shot were within 45 minutes of my house. FWIW, I am using the smaller bore cartridges simply because I am a bit older and my shoulder is toast.

Is a .270 big enough for an elk. Yeah, if everything goes right. Still, there are plenty of choices that will give you better terminal performance. Look at it this way, if you knew you were going to run into a 400 class bull at say 300 yards, slightly quartering away, on the brink of dropping into the canyon from Hades, which rifle would you choose from the following? Would you take a .243, .270, 30-06, or a .300 Win Mag? ? I am guessing most would take the rifle with the best performance that they still shoot well.

If all I had is a .270, I wouldn't run out and buy a new rifle just to go elk hunting. But I sure wouldn't buy a .270 as an elk rifle if I could shoot a larger caliber just as well.

FWIW, I have shot several elk with a Hoyt bow set at 55 pounds. Comparing archery equipment with rifle hunting isn't something I care to get into other than to say being prepared and geared up to kill a big bull at 400 yards isn't the same as taking the same critter at 20 yards with a sharp stick.

txcookie
January 15, 2013, 08:24 PM
Well I thank everyone for their advice and thoughts. I have a TC Encore with a 30.06 on it. It shoots good but I have a brand new CDL in 270 that shoots better than any rifle I have ever handled. With my 270. in Elmer Fudds hands Bugs Bunny never would have had a show. I figure I could be good from 300 or less with premium bullets. I honestly think it would be fine out too 400 after reading countless other threads from other sites.When I do go elk hunting I will carry both rifles with the 270 as back up and the TC slinging 180 grain rounds.

35 Whelen
January 15, 2013, 11:17 PM
Well I thank everyone for their advice and thoughts. I have a TC Encore with a 30.06 on it. It shoots good but I have a brand new CDL in 270 that shoots better than any rifle I have ever handled. With my 270. in Elmer Fudds hands Bugs Bunny never would have had a show. I figure I could be good from 300 or less with premium bullets. I honestly think it would be fine out too 400 after reading countless other threads from other sites.When I do go elk hunting I will carry both rifles with the 270 as back up and the TC slinging 180 grain rounds.
You've had lots of good advice here and I believe either rifle will work fine. However, your last post tells me that you have a VERY high level of confidence in the .270 which almost always leads to a person shooting better with the rifle in question. That confidence and a premium bullet will far outperform a "better" caliber.

35W

Ankeny
January 16, 2013, 12:29 AM
That confidence and a premium bullet will far outperform a "better" caliber. I agree.

Sweden
January 16, 2013, 05:10 PM
Tikka T3 chambered in 270 Win shooting 150gr Partitions is my preferred hunting rifle. I have literally hundreds of rifles to choose from, numerous calibers. Often times I bring along a stick that I haven't used in years, but the Tikka is always around the camp. I've yet to recover a bullet.

I harvested a BIG cow this year with one shot from said Tikka. She was quartering away at ~225 Yards. The exit wound was roughly softball sized, I'll see if I can find a picture.

My furthest shot on an Elk was just under 500 yards, clipped the heart and both lungs. That 5x5 bull crumpled where he stood from the 270.

One of my hunting 'mentors' shoots 130gr Partitions in his 270. 56 Elk harvested, and he has yet to recover a bullet.

Know your limits, only take shots you can make and have fun.

wyohome
January 17, 2013, 12:11 AM
When I do go elk hunting I will carry both rifles
I have never been on an elk hunt and wished that I was carrying any more than I needed.

mbt2001
January 17, 2013, 01:19 AM
.270 is fine...

rkmitchell
January 18, 2013, 02:41 PM
....that is an elk-sized animal with a .457 air rifle shooting a 510 grain slug of lead.

Way less power than your .270, but the kudu still fell over dead.

I really like the .270, and consider it one of the best all-around calibers for the average shooter to own. It will do nearly everything.....

Randy

txcookie
January 18, 2013, 04:42 PM
SO I just discovered sectional density...

I was surprised to see that the 270 has such an excellent sectional density! Basically the 270 with a 130 grain bullet has a simular SD to a 30-06 with a 150 grain bullet. With a 150 grain bullet your getting simular results to a 180 grain 30.06 bullet.

Would this translate to simular penetration?

35 Whelen
January 18, 2013, 05:37 PM
SO I just discovered sectional density...

I was surprised to see that the 270 has such an excellent sectional density! Basically the 270 with a 130 grain bullet has a simular SD to a 30-06 with a 150 grain bullet. With a 150 grain bullet your getting simular results to a 180 grain 30.06 bullet.

Would this translate to simular penetration?
With similarly constructed bullets, yes. As bullets increase in weight and diameter however, things can change because a heavier bullet that posesses a sectional density same as a lighter, but similarly constructed bullet, will tend to penetrate more deeply due to its greater momentum.

Sectional density used to be a fairly cut and dried thing until the advent of premium bullet specifically the Barnes TSX. My father and I have killed a few bull elk with the .35 caliber, 225 gr. TSX and while it has a relatively low sectional density (.251), it possesses incredible penetrating abilities due to its tough construction and small frontal area after expansion.

35W

Jim Watson
January 18, 2013, 05:37 PM
Yes, IF the bullets were of similar construction and if the smaller .277 did not bend or break.
But that is a big IF. There are so many brands, styles, and types of construction in hunting bullets these days that you cannot generalize.

SlamFire1
January 18, 2013, 06:07 PM
I talked to a guy who regularly hunted elk with a 308. To him bullet construction was very important. He had shot an elk which the bullets blew up under the hide on the near side. After that he got bullets with a stronger construction, penetrated, and he was happy.

You find a good bullet in 270 Win I don't see any reason why it would not work well.

oneounceload
January 18, 2013, 06:27 PM
When I lived on the Western Slope, in a town called Rifle, the old timers typically used .243, .270, & 30-06 for deer and elk and had been for decades

Ankeny
January 18, 2013, 07:42 PM
Yup, lots of old timers around here using .270 and '06 for elk. Don't know too many old timers that consider a .243 much of an elk gun unless it's in the hands of a woman or a kid that can't handle something bigger.

Kachok
January 18, 2013, 08:57 PM
243 would REALLY be pushing it IMHO, mind you a bullet through the vitals kills without a doubt, but when you are talking such small holes that killing might not be as quick as you would like, I would take my 270 over any 243 caliber and my 30-06 over even my magnum 270. Proper bullet construction is critical, my 165gr Serria Game King handloads that I brag on all the time while ideal for whitetail would be strained to get adequate penetration on elk class game on anything less then an ideal shot, while the TSXs that are such a penetration overkill on these deer would be right at home on a raking shot through thick bodied game or breaking heavy bone. Remember it is all one big compromise, you have to give up something in shock trauma/wound width to get deeper penetration, so the perfect deer bullet would be marginal at best on a 500lbs animal.

Lloyd Smale
January 20, 2013, 06:52 AM
im not a big 270 fan but id be the first to say theres a whole herd of elk up in heaven that were put there by good old cup and core 130 grain 270s!

Pilot
January 20, 2013, 07:06 AM
the 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08, .308, .257 Roberts are plenty enough...there is just so much a fad trend for magnums and wsms cause "hunters" read too much and watch too many "hunting shows". the 30-06 will do it all, but todays "hunters" are just real gullible.


^^^^^^This says it all.

Sav .250
January 20, 2013, 07:55 AM
If you stay around long enough, guys say they have killed them with a sling shot, 22 short, Air rifle, 25 cal pistol, 458 cal and the list goes on. If they haven`t done so, they always have a friend,cousin or 99 year old gran-dad who has.
All that being said, the 270 cal will do just fine. As some have noted"shot placement" is critical.
Practice. Then practice some more. You`ll be good to go.

Ankeny
January 20, 2013, 10:25 AM
I had to finish one cow for her that she punched through the shoulders. I just noticed this comment. Thought I would mention in some states (like Wyoming) "finishing off" an animal for another hunter is a huge no-no. Be sure to check your regulations.

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