Am I playing with "fire?"


January 13, 2013, 05:04 PM
I've just started loading .38 and .357 and was curious. Would I be inviting a squib load if I shot very light .38 wadcutter loads (think 3.2 gr of titegeoup or 3.6 gr of 231) out of my 20 inch Winchester 1894?

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January 13, 2013, 05:15 PM
Assuming they are 158gr you should be good. That is the minimum load for titegroup in .38 special. I have used that load with LSWC and it worked great. As to using titegroup, I like Clays and Universal better for .38.

January 13, 2013, 05:21 PM
148 gr full wadcutters

Carl N. Brown
January 13, 2013, 05:33 PM
The problem with wadcutters in .38/.357 carbine is feeding issues. I have used mine with a few wadcutters as a singleshot: hand feeding single rounds into the firing chamber.

The loads you describe, I don't know. Only shot my wadcutter handloads in a revolver. The wadcutters I have now, and used in my rifle, are a bit stiffer than my handloads. I suspect they were loaded to simulate service round recoil. But the big issue I have had with wadcutters in a leveraction is the issue of feeding through the magazine.

January 13, 2013, 05:46 PM
Sorry I thought this was for a revolver!

January 13, 2013, 05:48 PM
3.3 gr of Titegroup is the lightest published load I have for LHBWCs. 1.16" OAL for .38Spl and 1.29" OAL for .357Mag.

January 13, 2013, 07:15 PM
89- the lee manual goes down to 2.7 gr. I can't even get that low with my lee pro powder measure.

January 13, 2013, 07:20 PM
Probably won't squib--won't be able to squib 'cause they won't feed.

January 13, 2013, 09:12 PM
Whenever shooting mouse fart loads outta my handgun caliber carbines, I always try to keep to loads that manuals claim produce a minimum of 850 fps in a handgun to avoid a stuck bullet. So far, so good.......

January 13, 2013, 09:22 PM
With that much empty cavity doesn't that cause uneven powder burn? Potentially dangerously inconsistent?
Wouldn't it be smarter to switch to a larger powder type that would leave less empty cavity?

<still learning.

January 13, 2013, 09:27 PM
Joe I think that is correct with slower powders like 2400,AA9,296, etc. I haven't had any problem with the fast powders so far. Biggest problem I see is I could not only double charge with titegroup, I could put 6 or 7 charges in a single case!

January 13, 2013, 10:48 PM
I will be really curious to see how you fair with even published loads for the .357 mag as far as leading is concerned. I have shot thousands of these bullets out of a S&W Model 52 and have not found any bullets yet that were even approaching hardened lead. They really can't work properly as far as the skirt expanding in a HB bullet and most of the double enders are not very hard either. Why not go with some nice lead 130gr RN and not have to worry about it?

January 14, 2013, 07:07 AM
When in punching paper the full wad cutters make nice big holes. That is the only reason I like shooting them over round nose.

January 14, 2013, 09:38 AM
Both loads should be over 850 fps (hand gun data), i would guess they will make it to the end of the barrel in a rifle. Hodgdon data.

January 14, 2013, 10:31 AM
Thanks for the help guys. I guess I'll just have to shoot and see. I'll let you know of they even feed.

January 14, 2013, 11:01 AM
Hodgdon has .357 Magnum rifle load data which includes a 158gr LSWC bullet and Titegroup. IMO you would be better off using that data than loading a 148gr WC for a Carbine.

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