Panic buy and gangsters/ammo


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50 cal
January 15, 2013, 12:18 AM
It seems that we have exhausted every aspect of the panic buy but, I was wondering how these gang leaders are dealing with this. I'm just assuming that they aren't smart enough to learn how to reload so I just figured if its not on the open market, its not on the black market or at least for very long. I wonder if this will have any impact on crime. Probably not. Any thoughts?

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chevyman097
January 15, 2013, 12:19 AM
./facepalm

MErl
January 15, 2013, 12:20 AM
probably not a big deal. if this goes on for a long time.. well, might want to put that ammo into the safe after all :)

Zardaia
January 15, 2013, 12:21 AM
Ammo fee added to hits...

gspn
January 15, 2013, 12:25 AM
I was just joking the other day about how frustrated the drug cartels must be with the ATF telling them they can't get them their guns because the American public is buying them all up.:D

hso
January 15, 2013, 12:26 AM
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I have to point out that the ammunition found in evidence firearms is often mismatched and at times not even of the correct caliber. Most criminals are willing to use a firearm against you, but most simply use it for intimidation. The fact that it is loaded is an indication of their willingness to kill you to take your property, but the fact they don't check what may be in the firearm is an indication that they're not intent upon killing your. They will if you get in the way of their plans, but that's not their primary goal. They don't particularly worry about ammunition availability.

Ehtereon11B
January 15, 2013, 12:36 AM
No of course not. All those gang members are turning over there weapons because those things will be illegal very shortly. And you know, they don't want to break any laws.

Arp32
January 15, 2013, 12:56 AM
The fact that it is loaded is an indication of their willingness to kill you to take your property, but the fact they don't check what may be in the firearm is an indication that they're not intent upon killing you

Probably also an indication of IQ...

Killian
January 15, 2013, 01:02 AM
I remember reading in the paper that thieves steal things off of delivery trucks, so why not ammo?

Texasrpbrock
January 15, 2013, 01:02 AM
Maybe the administration will set them up with an ammo supply via "fast & furious"....

vtail
January 15, 2013, 01:39 AM
It seems that we have exhausted every aspect of the panic buy but, I was wondering how these gang leaders are dealing with this. I'm just assuming that they aren't smart enough to learn how to reload so I just figured if its not on the open market, its not on the black market or at least for very long. I wonder if this will have any impact on crime. Probably not. Any thoughts?
I think they will discuss this at their next gang meeting.

Zoogster
January 15, 2013, 02:24 AM
Gangs and criminals typically fire very few rounds.
A loaded pistol kept around for killing may not get fired more than a couple times all year.

A whole gang may fire fewer rounds in a year than 1 firearm enthusiast at the range in a day.


That is why ammo restrictions on criminals has very little impact. They don't really need much.

rcmodel
January 15, 2013, 02:54 AM
Lets do the math.

An old style typical drive-by typically used 17 rounds.
(I gonna Glock yo azz with my NINE!)

So yut's can gets 2.94 drive-by's per box of NINE's.

But a FO-TAY only tooks 15 per drive-by, so yuts could gets 3.33 drive-bys per box.
(I gonna Glock yo azz with my FO-TAY is a much more intimidating threat!)

But the coming laws will restrict NINES and FO-TAYS to 10 caps each.

So I think the smartest yuts who will surely want to obey the presidential decree and will soon switch to full-auto AK-47's that hold 30 rounds of 7.62 caps.
(I gonna caps yos azz with my Choppa ya punk sucka!)
Now I bet that really gets your attention!

They can get them from the same drug dealers that supply the yuts wid de drugs they sell to buy the choppa's from the same drug dealers.

Even after the new laws are passed.

rc

firesky101
January 15, 2013, 10:03 AM
I have heard several stories of stolen guns being recovered months/years later with the same ammo still in them. As far as accuracy of those stories who knows.

Baba Louie
January 15, 2013, 12:39 PM
Shhhh

We be movin boolits n clipz now too. Money 2 B maid. 1st round is free. The rest gonna cost ya. Yo cracka, U lookin for some 9 or maybe some fo-tay? 2 2 3 maybe? oh yeah We got da good stuff. :rolleyes:

50 cal
January 15, 2013, 01:28 PM
I guess we'll know its bad when we see gangsters running around with mosin nagants and muzzle loaders. Lol.

Guy de Loimbard
January 15, 2013, 01:33 PM
Why would it affect them?

We've had 7 armed robberies (perp was armed with a gun, not a knife) in the last month where I live. Only the most recent one has resulted in the perp firing shots, and then, only 3 at that.

If you're a criminal, you don't need ammo to commit any crime unless you want to kill someone by shooting them with a gun. For the majority of criminal mischief, having a weapon and displaying the intent to use it - even if they lack the ability because they have no ammo - is enough to make most victims give up the goods.

Zoogster
January 15, 2013, 01:38 PM
firesky101 said:I have heard several stories of stolen guns being recovered months/years later with the same ammo still in them.


And quite often it is not just the guy ultimately found with the gun that had been in possession of it.
Many gang members share the illegal guns they have access to with eachother if one suddenly feels they need a gun to do something like kill a rival, participate in a robbery, or do a shadey drug deal.
So that the same ammo is still often found in the gun says even more than it would with a single owner.

Most gangs fire very limited rounds, they are just shooting at people with the limited rounds they do fire.

So they can get by with very little ammo for a long time.


By contrast the recreational guy quickly feels the pinch of thier hobby being cut off or getting more expensive.

Skribs
January 15, 2013, 02:57 PM
RC, that is the first post of yours that I've had a hard time reading.

Rezin
January 15, 2013, 07:40 PM
I agree with the "intimidation" idea... A 16 year old boy around here was recently arrested. He had 7 charges of armed robbery. He used an Airsoft.

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