Reloading initial costs?


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DavidB2
January 15, 2013, 12:43 AM
Due to the cost/shortage of .45 ACP rounds; I am looking to get into reloading. If I only re-load for .45 ACP; how much is the initial investment for a basic reloading press and all the various supplies?

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esheato
January 15, 2013, 12:46 AM
Probably a couple hundred bucks....presses last forever, if you could find a used one, you'd be off to a great start.

ArchAngelCD
January 15, 2013, 12:50 AM
Most, if not all of what you are looking for can be found in the Library of Reloading Wisdom which is a sticky at the top of the Reloading Forum.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=649184

James2
January 15, 2013, 12:56 AM
The RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Single Stage Press Master Kit costs about $320. Then you will need another $100 in supplies to get started. That is only one option.

Zardaia
January 15, 2013, 12:57 AM
Not counting components ie brass,powder, primer, bullet...150-200ish depends on what kind press you want. Cheapest possible 50ish for a hand press, say 40 for die set, 20 each for cheap scale and calipers. When you start actualy reloading your own instead of buying brass already clean you'll need a tumbler or ultrasonic cleaner 60 and up. Alot of other stuff you'll likely pick up over time but I think that's about bare bones cheapest. Oh yeah and a manual, idk 10-20 or so. Even reloading suplies are going up though, just not as fast.

Lost Sheep
January 15, 2013, 01:15 AM
Anyone who can follow a recipe in the kitchen or change a tire can handload safely. It just takes care and a bit of humility. Handloading is not rocket science, but it does involve smoke and flame and things that go very fast, so care is to be taken.

I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universal, so I put together this list of 10 advices.

So much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".

So you can better evaluate my words, here is the focus of my experience. I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 400 centerfire rounds per month. I don't cast....yet.

When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly. I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted my press on a 2 x 6 plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table.

I still believe in a minimalist approach and and try to keep my inventory of tools low. I do not keep my loading gear set up when not in use, either, but pack them away in small toolboxes until the next loading session.

Now, here are my Ten Advices.

Advice #1 Use Reliable Reference Sources Wisely - Books, Videos, Web Sites, etc.

Study up in loading manuals until you understand the process well, before spending a lot of money on equipment.

I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Short on loading data but full of knowledge and understanding of the process. Check out offerings in your local library. Dated, perhaps but the basics are pretty unchanging. I am told the older editions are better than the newer ones, so the library is looking even better.

Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps found in their early chapters. The reason you want more than one or two manuals is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well so give better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others.

As far as load data in older manuals, the powder manufacturers and bullet manufacturers may have better information and their web sites are probably more up to date. But pay attention to what the ammunition was test-fired from. (regular firearm vs a sealed-breech pressure test barrel, for example)

The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy.

There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started.

Richard Lee's book "Modern Reloading" has a lot of food for thought, and does discuss the reasoning behind his opinions (unlike many manuals, and postings). Whether right or wrong, the issues merit thought, which that book initiates. It is not a simple book, though and you will find it provocative reading for many years.

Only after you know the steps can you look at the contents of of a dealer's shelves, a mail-order catalog or a reloading kit and know what equipment you want to buy. If you are considering a loading kit, you will be in a better position to know what parts you don't need and what parts the kits lack.

Advice #2 All equipment is good. But is it good FOR YOU?

Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Better equipment costs more generally. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive but not so abrasion resistant as cast iron. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Aluminum generally takes more cleaning and lubrication to last forever. Lee makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker, though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes. Just think about what you buy. Ask around. Testimonials are nice. But if you think Ford/Chevy owners have brand loyalty, you have not met handloaders. Testimonials with reasoning behind them are better. RCBS equipment is almost all green, Dillon, blue, Lee red. Almost no manufacturers cross color lines and many handloaders simply identify themselves as "Blue" or whatever. Make your own choices.

On Kits: Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is decent way to get started. Eventually most people wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops, but you will have gotten started, at least.

On Kits: Almost every manufacturer (and most major retailer) assembles a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is a decent way to get started without too much prior experience. Eventually most reloaders wind up replacing many of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops (negating the savings you thought the kit gave you), but you will have gotten started, at least.

On building your own kit: The thought processes you give to assembling your own kit increases your knowledge about reloading. You may get started a couple weeks later than if you started with a kit, but you will be far ahead in knowledge.

Advice #3 While Learning, don't get fancy Progressive or Single Stage? Experimental loads? Pushing performance envelopes?

While you are learning, load mid-range at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the mechanical steps of loading right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, bullet seating depth, primer seating force, all that). Use a "fluffy" powder that is, one that will overflow your cartridge case if you mistakenly put two powder charges in it.

Learn on a single stage press or a turret press, or if on a progressive, only once cartridge at a time. While you can learn on a progressive press, in my opinion too many things happen at the same time, thus are hard to keep track of (unless you load singly at first). Mistakes DO happen and you want to watch for them ONE AT A TIME. Until handloading becomes second nature to you.

Note: A turret press is essentially a single stage press with a moveable head which can mount several dies at the same time. What makes it like a single stage rather than a progressive is that you are still using only one die at a time, not three or four dies simultaneously at each stroke.

On the Turret vs Single stage the decision is simpler. You can do everything on a Turret EXACTLY the same way as you do on a single stage (just leave the turret stationary). That is, a Turret IS a single stage if you don't rotate the head.

Learning on a progressive can be done successfully, but it is easier to learn to walk in shoes than on roller skates.

Also, a good, strong, single stage press is in the stable of almost every reloader I know, no matter how many progressives they have. They always keep at least one.

Advice #4 Find a mentor.

There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technigue BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers; 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")

I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. I could have learned more, faster with a longer mentoring period, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. I educated myself after that. But now, on the internet, I have learned a WHOLE LOT MORE. But in-person is still the best.

After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.

Advice #5 Design your loading space for safety, efficiency, cleanliness

When I started reloading, I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted the press on a 2" x 6" plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table My loading gear all fit in a footlocker and spread out on the coffeetable and the lid of the footlocker. Good leverage meant the table did not lift or rock. I still use the same plank, but now it is mounted in a Black & Decker folding workbench. A loading bench "bolted to the center of the earth" (as some describe their setups) would be more stable, but I do not feel deprived without it.

You will probably spill powder or drop a primer eventually, so consider what you have for a floor covering when you pick your reloading room/workspace. I would not try to vacuum up spilt gunpowder unless using a Rainbow vacuum which uses water as the filter medium. A dropcloth is practically infallible. Use cloth, not plastic. Less static, quieter and has less tendency to let dropped primers roll away.

Advice #6 Keep Current on loading technology

Always use a CURRENT loading manual. Powder chemistry has changed over the years. They make some powders differently than they used to and even some powder names may have changed. However, if you are using 10 year old powder, you may want to check a 10 year old manual for the recipe. Then double check with a modern manual and then triple check with the powder maker.

Read previous threads on reloading, here are a couple I read.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=1efda7af229b625361fbd5ae1f754eec
The second one is a thread started by a new recruit to reloading which the moderators thought highly enough of to make it "sticky" so it stays on the top of the list of threads.

Advice #7 You never regret buying the best (but once)

When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy too cheaply it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying. "The delicious flavor of low price fades fast. The wretched aftertaste of poor quality lingers long.

Advice #8 Tungsten Carbide dies (or Titanium Nitride)

T-C dies instead of regular tool steel (which require lubrication for sizing your brass) for your straight-walled cartridge cases. T-C dies do not require lubrication, which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.

Advice #9 Safety Always Safety All Ways.

Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers. Gloves are good, too, especially if using the Lee "Hammer" Tools. Children (unless they are good helpers, not just playing around) are at risk and are a risk. Pets, too unless they have been vetted (no, not that kind of vetting). Any distractions that might induce you to forget charging a case (no charge or a double charge, equally disturbing). Imagine everything that CAN go wrong. Then imagine everything that you CAN'T imagine. I could go on, but it's your eyes, your fingers, your house, your children (present of future - lead is a hazard, too. Wash after loading and don't eat at your bench). Enough said?

Advice #10 Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly. I heard about a powder manufacturer's web site that dropped a decimal point once. It was fixed REAL FAST, but mistakes happen. I work in accounting and frequently hit "7" instead of "4" because the are next to each other on the keypad.

Good luck.

Lost Sheep

Lost Sheep
January 15, 2013, 01:46 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=695898

Budget Beginning Bench You Will Never Outgrow for the Novice Handloader

I thought a reprise of this old thread would be useful.

Lost Sheep

kingmt
January 15, 2013, 06:24 AM
Check out FS Reloading.

NeuseRvrRat
January 15, 2013, 06:35 AM
you're going to have a hard time finding components now too. primers, powder, and bullets were all subject to panic buying as well.

Centurian22
January 15, 2013, 08:09 AM
You CAN start for as little as $30-40 with a lee classic loader "whack-a-mole" system. But realistically you'd be well off to start with a kit (or assemble your own). Easiliy accomplished for $150-$200.

Jump in however you can. You'll never look back.

Clark
January 15, 2013, 11:28 AM
I can reload sitting naked in the dirt with two rocks and a nail.

But I have upgraded.

And now I help others out of poverty. When someone comes to my house and wants to reload, I give him dies, a press, powder, primers, bullets, brass, a shell holder, a Lee powder dipper, and a priming tool.
I tell them if they don't use it, to bring it all back.


On internet reloading forums, a lot of people have expensive reloading gear and think everyone else should.

In the real world, a lot of people talk about reloading, but they don't get it done.

DeadFlies
January 15, 2013, 12:35 PM
I put together a set including a press ($35), a set of dies ($35) a scale ($25) and a set of calipers ($5). That's $100 for the essentials. I've found that most everything else is either unnecessary or can be easily improvised for little or no cost.

Except for a loading manual which you can easily get for free from a library.

joecil
January 15, 2013, 02:57 PM
Another good free source of free reloading data is the powder maker sites at least the big 3 are Hodgdon, Accurate and Alliance are perhaps others.

mljdeckard
January 15, 2013, 03:06 PM
Lee makes a bench press for like $25.

Lee sells a hand press for $32. I bought one to be able to do a lot of the process while I watch TV.

Follow post 6 word for word. I'm still a rookie and guessing on a lot of things that I might have learned better had I been a little more patient.

There are things that are must have, and things that are nice to have, but once you have them, you won't ever want to work without them again. My RCBS kit did not come with a caliper. This is a must-have, you can get one at Harbor Freight for $12. I think a tumbler is must-have, and a media seperator is nice to have, but I will never again sit there and manually knock media out of tumbled cases.

One thing that has saved my hide is a lamp with a magnifier over the workspace.

oneounceload
January 15, 2013, 04:08 PM
you're going to have a hard time finding components now too. primers, powder, and bullets were all subject to panic buying as well.

Exactly, powder is scarcer than hen's teeth, with people buying 2-5lifetimes worth of powder for no reason other than "because", thus perpetuating this shortage that much longer

boommer
January 15, 2013, 06:56 PM
reloading is sickness and it grabs a hold of you and the next thing your in a room all by yourself and your wife has put your face on milk carton and then she finds you in the room and says I want a divorce and half of everything so you give the house to her and there you sit on the curb with all your reloading stuff wondering how big of u haul you need and HOW MUCH DID I SAVE ?

this can happen to you!!

Clayton

Lost Sheep
January 16, 2013, 03:30 AM
I can reload sitting naked in the dirt with two rocks and a nail.


And eye protection.

Safety, always, all ways.

I admire your enterprise And skill

Lost Sheep

GLOOB
January 18, 2013, 05:26 PM
All depends on the gear. Can be done for a little or a lot. But first, make sure you can get the components.

Luckily, LPP seem to be the one kind of primer still easily obtainable. But good luck on the powder. You might need to get creative.

greybeard57
January 18, 2013, 06:44 PM
It was suggested earlier to check out FS reloading. Not going to help right now, they are at least a month behind on filling new orders. Ask me how I know that.

On the other hand, there is a different company in the same town called Titan Reloading (http://www.titanreloading.com) that hasn't gotten the greed bug like FS did recently. I bought my Loadmaster for $213 on Jan 1 at FS and now it's $288, Titan was always a bit more than the $213 but they hadn't raised prices as of last Monday. :confused:

BYJO4
January 18, 2013, 09:08 PM
At the moment, everything is hard to find. However, getting into reloading will be a plus to you for many years to come. Check the websites daily and buy the equipment and componets as they become available at a reasonable price.

tacxted
January 18, 2013, 09:15 PM
DavidB2: Due to the cost/shortage of .45 ACP rounds; I am looking to get into reloading. If I only re-load for .45 ACP; how much is the initial investment for a basic reloading press and all the various supplies?

I got into reloading with a $190 - $220 + compnents price tag. This was for 9mm but the prices for the gear shouldnt be much different.

Kachok
January 18, 2013, 09:16 PM
It is not the initial costs you have to worry about, couple hundred bucks is chump change compared to what you are going to spend once you start to have fun with it :D I spent $125 on my beginners reloading kit, and since have spent about three grand in bullets, powders, brass, primers and dies. Of course I don't "NEED" all of that, but just in case the Dems get their 10,000% tax on ammo I am set for the next couple decades at leased.

Hondo 60
January 18, 2013, 11:44 PM
How much?
Depends on what you think you need.

A single stage press can run south of $50 or a blue progressive can be over $1000.
dies anywhere from $30 - $100 (depends on brand)
Calipers $20-$150 (the $20 ones are fine for me)
Powder measure - $0 - well over $100 (free scoop comes with Lee dies)
Tumbler/cleaner - $0 - well over $200 (you can wash 'em with soap & water or buy an expensive wet tumbler & stainless media pins)

etc etc...

Holy Cow Lost Sheep - that's quite the book you wrote there! :eek:

Kachok
January 18, 2013, 11:54 PM
Real world start up for a beginner with one caliber is a little over $200, $125 for the basic Lee kit, $30 for basic RCBS or Lee dies, $25 for a pound of powder, $30 for a brick of primers, and $18 for a box of bullets. Keep in mind though that this is like crack, sure a rock costs you only a few bucks but once you are hooked it will cost you alot more :D
If you start with the basic kit do yourself a favor and be sure to zero your beam scale before you load anything, I made that mistake and was about three grains over max before I figured out my primers were as flat as the Great Plains.

ilmonster
January 21, 2013, 02:00 PM
I got into it pretty cheap. I purchased a used Dillon SDB progressive press (only reloading handgun calibers for now) three years ago for $230 with one set of dies, a used Hornady scale, and less than $50 of other items (primer tray, calipers to measure length, etc.) and I was off to the races. I now reload 9mm, .38 Spcl and .44 Spcl. The .44 Spcl savings ($7.50 vs. $40 per box) help pay for the press within two years. Now it's all gravy, and I always have the supplies to reload some more rounds (even during our current craziness). For me, it makes economical sense, even for the 9mm rounds.

Although I started with a progressive press, I read all I could (you must buy a reloading manual! I have read (and re-read many times) and liked the Lyman edition) and began using the Dillon and learning by reloading one round at time. After a few boxes worth in single stage mode, I began using it as it was designed (as a progressive press) and can crank out lots per hour. My biggest boo boo has been somehow having set a primer in a 9mm round and no powder - bullet got stuck in the barrel and I realized something didn't sound right. Pushed it out with a brass rod and learned a lesson.

hueyville
January 21, 2013, 07:07 PM
This is my opinion best and most satifying way to scratch a one caliber itch.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/25237/catid/1/Dillon_Square_Deal___039_B__039_

It comes preset, all you do is add components and pull the handle.

ilmonster
January 21, 2013, 08:25 PM
And once that one caliber itch spreads like a rash, additional dies and tool heads aren't too expensive and can be changed over in 10 min. max.

GLOOB
January 21, 2013, 10:45 PM
My initial cost was zero dollars and 2 thousand rounds of ammo, or thereabouts.

I shopped around to see what reloading gear cost. I shopped for the cost of bulk ammunition. Then I bought the reloading gear and enough components to where it cost me the same as buying bulk ammo.

If reloading is not for you, you can quit after those components are used up, and it cost you nothing but time. Or you can just lay the stuff up in your attic for a rainy day... like when the cost of XYZ temporarily goes through the roof, like 223 ammo right now.

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