Would you migrate to another state?


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Lex Luthier
January 15, 2013, 07:46 AM
It seems that our ongoing conversation revolves not only the potential rape and pillage our federal constitution, but the advantages in gun ownership of some individual states. Some states like Texas and Arizona are proudly vocal about it, and frankly warmer weather sounds pretty good, even if I might need to learn spanish to get along.

Many of my friends say they are willing to fight from their doorstep to defend their rights, which sounds mighty romantic and feels satisfying in the imagination, but the reality of your family's comfort should be weighed. I might consider relocating to a friendlier state, but in this economy that could mean losing money on the house, risking job security and personal welfare, and also dealing with all the other transplants doing the same thing as you, just to be nearer to like-minded philosophy. People leave their state for a variety of reasons usually connected to something their local government screwed up, to avoid higher taxes, etc. People have had to migrate because of war.

Would you move for your beliefs or stay and do the "cold dead fingers" routine? Are we at war yet?

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Sam1911
January 15, 2013, 08:41 AM
I would move, and I have moved for similar reasons.

bigfatdave
January 15, 2013, 08:56 AM
Assuming we're talking about NY and their nonsense "law" ...

I wouldn't drop everything and move right now.
I would start making calm plans and job hunting.
I would move prohibited items into LTS and/or ship them elsewhere, or possibly profiteer on some of them to fund the moving expenses.

beatledog7
January 15, 2013, 08:58 AM
Easy to have this discussion now, but what happens when the Feds decide that having people freely move from state to state interferes with their ability to keep track of our comings and goings?

bigfatdave
January 15, 2013, 09:00 AM
they can't track the federal border worth a crap, I doubt they'd be able to track the internal borders any better

Sam1911
January 15, 2013, 09:01 AM
Uh...wow. We're leaping a bit there, I think. Let's keep it in the realm of the real for today.

JFtheGR8
January 15, 2013, 09:06 AM
Absolutely! I work in healthcare and could find work in any state and some countries. My wife has a well paying job with Big Yellow so we're kinda anchored in Illinois right now. I've asked her to be open for transfers to other states. We nearly went to Little Rock, Arkansas a year or two ago. If the same opportunity came up now I'd be pushing pretty hard for the move. Ultimately it's her career and her decision though. She's sick of Illinois for other reasons so I stand a good chance of fleeing Obamaland.


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rdhood
January 15, 2013, 09:15 AM
I would migrate to another state rather than 1) be left defenseless or 2) be singled out and made a target by newspapers.

Silent Bob
January 15, 2013, 09:27 AM
I used to be thankful for being born an American, but the past few years I have become more grateful for being a Texan.

jobu07
January 15, 2013, 09:29 AM
I'm in the process of it. I've worked hard my entire life to improve the political situation in NYS and this is what you end up with.

If all else fails I will relocate to Pennsylvania and commute. I despise what NYS has become. Court challenge or not, it's time to move on and never look back.

beatledog7
January 15, 2013, 09:31 AM
Sam, you really think it's that big a leap? As it is now, moving from state to state requires a person to explore, understand, and comply with a raft of firearms regulations, and the Feds are moving to nationalize many firearms laws (registration, for one.) What better way to keep track of your guns than to simply require you to apply for a permit to move your guns to another state, thereby retaining the ability to say, no, you can't?

dab102999
January 15, 2013, 09:33 AM
What happens when there r no more states to migrate to.

Sam1911
January 15, 2013, 09:35 AM
Yeah, for now that's a pretty big leap.

And I don't buy that the feds are "moving to" nationalize many firearm laws. A few wing nuts have proposed such things like registration but there's not even a bill yet, and that seems pretty (highly) unlikely to be in it when it does plop onto the table.

I like wild-eyed fear as much as the next guy, but we're a long way from anything like being told we cannot migrate freely.

taliv
January 15, 2013, 09:36 AM
i already did, 8 years ago, when columbus ohio started an assault weapons ban.

tarosean
January 15, 2013, 09:37 AM
What happens when there r no more states to migrate to.

There is a whole world filled with places to live.

SuperNaut
January 15, 2013, 09:37 AM
I already live in a free state.

This is going to make me sound like a total jerk but, don't come here. People move here from out of state and want to "help" us. We are fine, fix your own state.

OpelBlitz
January 15, 2013, 09:38 AM
Now that's more of a stretch than anything else. There are states that we all can agree are very pro-2A. I don’t see that changing soon.

And I see migrating to another state as a very viable option. People are leaving Illinois in droves for reasons well beyond gun rights. Once I can afford it, we're outta here.

RX-178
January 15, 2013, 09:43 AM
Yes. States are not as restricted in passing laws as the Federal Government is, for a reason. That reason is, there are other states that you may choose to reside in, that may represent your values and way of life better.

These new NY laws may be unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment, but the 14th Amendment didn't always exist, and didn't apply to the 2nd Amendment in practice, until very recently.

You have a right not to be oppressed by the state government. You have a right to leave. Make your plans, find a new job, find a new home, find a better quality of life than this state offers you.

TIMC
January 15, 2013, 09:48 AM
Don't need to, I'm already here!

BrooksD
January 15, 2013, 09:52 AM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-omalley-gun-package-20130114,0,3399888.story

Things are looking very grim here in the peoples republik of Maryland. Our governor has national ambitions and is looking to one up Cuomo when it comes to violating the 2nd Amendment. If most of this passes, and it looks like it will, I will be putting the house up for sale and moving someplace that at least has a competitive democracy - Pennsylvania or Virginia. So in other words, I will retreat while there are still reasonable safe places to do so.

jmorris
January 15, 2013, 09:58 AM
At the rate people are fleeing there liberal States and populating Texas, I may have to some day. They already force me to wear my seat belt and did force us to wear helmets on motorcycles, not that I didn't before but thoes are stepping stone laws to take away all of your rights, that some people with Lib tendencys call "reasonable".

AlexanderA
January 15, 2013, 09:59 AM
The "Great Sort," where people divide themselves on the basis of general ideology, has been going on for some years now. Guns are only a part of it. The country is becoming increasingly polarized geographically. This is not a good omen. The closest parallel I can think of is the regional split in the runup to the Civil War.

Gunnerboy
January 15, 2013, 10:23 AM
Ive already been planning this since our leader elected himself for a second term. Montana here i come!

rtroha
January 15, 2013, 10:45 AM
i already did, 8 years ago, when columbus ohio started an assault weapons ban.
Which is now null and void thanks to state preemption.

Ehtereon11B
January 15, 2013, 10:45 AM
Would I? Yes. And have. Buying a firearm in NY was insane before all this nonsense kicked up. I was filling out a 4473 for a 12ga and the clerks were so picky about it. They couldn't read the address I put down, so I had to fill out another one. They didn't allow any crossouts such as oh you wrote your address not so neat I am going to cross it out to rewrite it. Nope. New 4473 for that. Clerk got the serial number wrong (by 1 number) when putting it on the form. New 4473. In all I went through about 4 or 5 forms to buy one firearm. The clerk merely said the state really harps on them to get it right and perfect. Which seemed fishy to me to say the least.

On the other hand filling out 4473s in other states, crossouts and scribbles all over with never any problem to redo it.

mljdeckard
January 15, 2013, 10:48 AM
There are a variety of factors that would contrubute to this decision, but gun rights is very near the top.

Grassman
January 15, 2013, 10:59 AM
Ya'll just move to another country. Try Texas! It's great here!

HankR
January 15, 2013, 11:10 AM
We fled an east-coast liberal state about 10 years ago. Gun laws in particular, and socialist policies in general were the motivation.


What happens when there r no more states to migrate to.

This is becoming a concern. My wife isn't tickled with the state we currently live in (cold/flat/cold/windy/cold) and wouldn't mind moving, but each election the blue creeps closer and closer. There aren't that many more places to live free, and I'm of an age that I don't really want to start over w/out a better reason.

For you Texans, I wouldn't be too sure of the long-term prognosis. We've watched what happened to Colorado as the Californians fled, and it's happening to Montana also. Texas being a border state will eventually get overwhelmed in a similar fashion. We've got to reverse the tide nationally rather than all run to the last few red states.

MachIVshooter
January 15, 2013, 11:33 AM
Yes. I'm a CO native and truly love this state, but if we saw NY style laws come to fruition, I'd be looking at Wyoming, Texas and Alaska.

Right now our Governor is seeking to make all private sales go through background checks. 13 years ago, they did so with gun show sales in the wake of Columbine (Republican governor signed, lots of pressure). It'll tick me off, but not enough to close my business and pack up my family. But if they pass some kind of ban or registration, different story. Would also depend on if our sheriff had any intention of enforcing, though, which would make him very unpopular in an 80% conservative county where firearms outnumber residents 9 to 1.

Halal Pork
January 15, 2013, 01:11 PM
Yes, I would move. That might not be as viable an option for some as others, I know. For me, I'd put the house on the market and start applying for jobs in a state that hasn't set fire to the Bill of Rights and launched an unconstitutional assault on civil rights. Hopefully this will get reined in before the cancer spreads too far.

Shinbone
January 15, 2013, 01:22 PM
Most definitely. Wisconsin is only 15 miles north of where I live now.

Alaska444
January 15, 2013, 01:25 PM
I am half way to Northern Idaho for the duration. Have a house up here and will sell the house in CA soon. Half way home already.

Zardaia
January 15, 2013, 01:28 PM
I had the good fortune of being stationed in fl. When I got out, my collection that would be numerous felonies in ny was a big factor on not moving back there. I still have an old 7.7jap rifle back in ny with my parents, thinking of having it sent down before ny decides ww2 bolt guns r assault weapons.

Sal1911A1
January 15, 2013, 01:41 PM
I'm so glad myself and family moved from liberal New York to the Great State of Texas:)

sean326
January 15, 2013, 01:50 PM
I'm in the process of it. I've worked hard my entire life to improve the political situation in NYS and this is what you end up with.

If all else fails I will relocate to Pennsylvania and commute. I despise what NYS has become. Court challenge or not, it's time to move on and never look back.
Welcome to the free state of PA! over here CCP is shall issue, all NFA is legal including full auto, grenade launchers and mortars. and automatic knives as well.

The only thing we can't do is hunt with semi auto rifles, must be manual.

Xyr
January 15, 2013, 02:37 PM
Yea, I'm pretty much done. Born and raised in NY. I work in NYC. I'm paying over 300$ a month just for the honor of commuting to work every month. We don't have kids so I'm honestly considering Texas.

KODB
January 15, 2013, 02:47 PM
Already talked to the wife. If this nonsense comes to PA (unlikely but you never know) we are outta here for TX, UT, WY or such

Bob

thorazine
January 15, 2013, 02:51 PM
Another vote for,

[X] I would move.

lobo9er
January 15, 2013, 03:50 PM
My wife and I had a serious conversation about moving. This is terrible. I'm starting to see only grim alternatives.

lobo9er
January 15, 2013, 03:57 PM
anyone have a total count yet on votes?

brnmw
January 15, 2013, 04:11 PM
Some states like Texas and Arizona are proudly vocal about it, and frankly warmer weather sounds pretty good, even if I might need to learn spanish to get along.

Would help... but not a necessity per say. The national language down here is not to difrnt from your native English... just has a bit of a Texas twang to it's all... :D

If you can understand Tommy Lee Jones in the movies "y'all be just fine!"

Cosmoline
January 15, 2013, 04:12 PM
Voting with your feet is pretty effective if enough people do it. NY already lost another 1.5 MILLION people in the last census, replaced with immigrants. There are plenty of other reasons to get out other than the new gun laws. Crime rates are high, the job situation stinks and tax burdens are absurd. Not to mention having to live under the rule of autocratic billionaires. If enough tax payers keep leaving for greener pastures, the state will eventually start to resemble a huge version of Detroit. Parts of it already do. When you're talking about the average law abiding gun owner, you're talking about the kind of people who are the foundation of a community. Typically middle income, tax paying, home owning folk. Those people, when they leave, are very difficult to replace.

I'm starting to see only grim alternatives.

Grim?! Getting out of NY is like getting negative biopsy results back. And there are alternatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgwApbcmx9c

I ride out to the range on my bicycle with a rifle in tow. I've bought an M1A from a local cop out of the back of his squad car. It's paradise.

bergmen
January 15, 2013, 04:47 PM
Nope. Born in California 63 years ago, gonna die here. Rural resident here in northern state, very pro-gun area, shall issue Sheriff.

Dan

jobu07
January 15, 2013, 05:06 PM
Lobo9er: anyone have a total count yet on votes?

104-43

Skribs
January 15, 2013, 05:14 PM
It wouldn't be too fast for me, but I would eventually, if I could afford it and my state passed legislation restricting me. For those of you who don't know me (read: everyone on here) I don't even like going on vacation outside of my local area. I have planned never again to leave my state if I can help it. But if my state starts to oppress me, I'll be out ASARP (as soon as reasonably possible).

If I lived in New York, I'd have packed my bags a long time ago.

JTHunter
January 15, 2013, 05:29 PM
jmorris said:At the rate people are fleeing there liberal States and populating Texas, I may have to some day. They already force me to wear my seat belt and did force us to wear helmets on motorcycles, not that I didn't before but thoes are stepping stone laws to take away all of your rights, that some people with Lib tendencys call "reasonable".

I commuted for years into St. Louis on my bike. It had bumper stickers on it that said "Let those who ride decide!" Illinois had helmet laws but Missouri didn't back then. My problem was sweating under the helmet in the summer heat stuck in traffic. It would get in my eyes and affect my vision, making it more dangerous.
Any law that incrementally chips away at our freedoms and civil liberties is not to be trusted.

lobo9er
January 15, 2013, 05:30 PM
Only problem is this isn't gonna stop with NY. The UN is behind this and or helping this along, along side our Liberal counterparts.

boatmanschneider
January 15, 2013, 05:38 PM
Yes,

Just as my ancestors left Prussia and Ireland.

I am just waiting for the New World(Antarctica) to warm up a little more before we move there.

Havok7416
January 15, 2013, 09:24 PM
I'm at a hotel in the middle of a move right now...:eek:

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 15, 2013, 09:40 PM
Yep, if it came down to it. My wife and I already have discussed it. I hope it never comes to that, but oh well. We know how difficult it would be, but we both believe wholeheartedly in the 2nd amendment.

idoono
January 15, 2013, 09:52 PM
Never thought I would need to but after this in NY I have had to rethink. If Florida ever went that way I believe I would.

Idoono

Swing
January 15, 2013, 09:54 PM
Would you migrate to another state?

Yes. Would and have. Might do it again, if need be.

Ohio Gun Guy
January 15, 2013, 09:58 PM
Yes, I would.

I was out of work for a short time a few years ago. It was long enough that I started applying to jobs in other states. I did not apply for jobs in California, New York, etc. I had lots of interest from CA, but wouldn't do it.

I would move if I needed to...

I gave on several occasion to the goups that were fighting to get the State Pre-emption laws passed here, which overturned a lot of City gun laws, which did not respect the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, or the Right in the Ohio Constitution. We have both here. (Many other states do as well, not all)

Pointshoot
January 15, 2013, 10:03 PM
Sam1911 said: "Uh...wow. We're leaping a bit there, I think. Let's keep it in the realm of the real for today."

I agree with Sam. We'll have to see what they come up with, and the response from the American people.

That said, - if my state were to make the kind of gun laws like they enacted in NY, I would be outta here. Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Utah are all possibilities.

USAF_Vet
January 15, 2013, 10:06 PM
As long as the state reps don't completely legislate to the lowest common denominator over in Detoilet, I'm good right where I am.

Michigan has a few stupid gun laws, hand gun registration and expensive CPL fees ($105, good for 5 years, same renewal fee I believe), but so far, no magazine limits, most of the NFA is legal here, and the state is primarily controlled by the GOP. We have a Governor that is wishy washy on gun control, but has vetoed and passed mostly favorable gun laws so far. He's kicked the unions in the butt with spiked toed boots, and a few other things I approve of.

But if that happens to change... I can take my skills and move anywhere in the country.

On the list would be Kentucky, (where I grew up) Alaska, Texas, Utah, Arizona, maybe Indiana, maybe Idaho.

ApacheCoTodd
January 15, 2013, 10:11 PM
I had every intention of growing old and dying in San Diego county after retiring from the Army. By 1999 I had realized that it was simply not an option since I had become the poster child "don't" boy for so many issues held near and dear to the likes of bozstein and their supporters.

Color me Apache County!

TwoEyedJack
January 15, 2013, 10:13 PM
I grew up in PA. When I bought my first handgun, a Ruger Single Six, and had to wait before taking possession, I was really, really offended. I was in college at the time, and transferred to a school in Utah and never looked back. Now I live in ID. If you can find a decent job, it is an outstanding place to live. Shall issue CCW, no NFA restrictions, no waiting periods, no gun laws not federally mandated.

The feds shoved wolves down our collective throats 20 years ago. Predictably, they multiplied to the point where we had to start hunting them. After a few years of hunting, the feds caved to a bunnyhiugger lawsuit and cancelled the hunting season. After months of fruitless negotiations, the governor got on the radio and announced that the Canadian Gray Wolf was a clear and present danger to the wildlife of the state of Idaho. He enjoined all state employees from enforcing any laws regarding wolves. The feds caved and now we can hunt them again. If the feds try to violate the second amendment, I would bet our governor again enjoins state employees from enforcing them.

nwilliams
January 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
There are many States that I would refuse to live in because of their gun laws. If New Mexico became like CA, NY or IL then I would seek another State to live in.

pittspilot
January 15, 2013, 11:42 PM
Left CA for AZ for exactly that reason.

sidheshooter
January 15, 2013, 11:54 PM
I am half way to Northern Idaho for the duration...

I'm in a pretty decent last ditch/fall back position with regard to North Idaho as well. I'm currently a WA res, and derive most of my income from the state (WA is generally quite pro-gun, but very blue), but the border-and much of my recreation-is a short drive away. I don't foresee it, but if worst came to worse and the choice was between #1 give up my lawful private posessions #2 become a felon by default or #3 move, I'd just slip across the border into the pure land and eat the daily commute.

Kramer Krazy
January 15, 2013, 11:57 PM
I don't think I have to worry about it anytime soon while here in SC. Unfortunately, I think NC and GA would go before us, but if they didn't, I can move into either state and only increase my commute by about 20-30 minutes. :scrutiny:

OpelBlitz
January 15, 2013, 11:59 PM
For most in Chicagoland, Indiana is not far away and is far more gun-friendly than Illinois is. At least that's the impression I get from Indiana. Can't be much worse than Illinois. Besides NY now.

:banghead:

browningguy
January 16, 2013, 12:10 AM
Yes I would, and I have turned down very good job offers over the past 10 years, because they were in California.

montanaoffroader
January 16, 2013, 12:21 AM
Already have. Stationed in Montana while serving in the military, really liked it here. Tried moving back to CA afterwards, just didn't work out.

Barring the unforseen, we are here permanently.

OpelBlitz
January 16, 2013, 12:22 AM
Montana seems lovely. Would love to check them out.

PATH
January 16, 2013, 12:25 AM
Planning for an eventual move from the "Vampire" State". The taxes are so darn high here and now these onerous gun laws. Getting the firearms out of Dodge first and then I'll follow. PA is first on the list but will go west or south if necessary!

Alaska444
January 16, 2013, 12:26 AM
I'm in a pretty decent last ditch/fall back position with regard to North Idaho as well. I'm currently a WA res, and derive most of my income from the state (WA is generally quite pro-gun, but very blue), but the border-and much of my recreation-is a short drive away. I don't foresee it, but if worst came to worse and the choice was between #1 give up my lawful private posessions #2 become a felon by default or #3 move, I'd just slip across the border into the pure land and eat the daily commute.
Funny, we slip across the border to go to dinner and shopping. Thankfully, the Cabelas now has it's own exit. Very pretty country.

sidheshooter
January 16, 2013, 12:47 AM
I took that new Cabelas exit for the first time just a few weeks ago! About time they finished that road to nowhere. Makes it way more convenient to nip in there on the spur of the moment and hemorrhage some money...

:D


You ever swing by CTS in Post Falls for some shooting?

montanaoffroader
January 16, 2013, 12:48 AM
@ OpelBlitz - Montana, Wyoming and Idaho are all worth checking out. Lots of variety in scenery, many outdoor sports opportunities, and generally friendly people.

@ Alaska444 - You must be somwhere around CdA, pretty nice area. Spent some time there over the years, lots to do in the area.

BemidjiDweller
January 16, 2013, 12:53 AM
If I ever leave Minnesota, I would head to New Hampshire. The Free State Project (http://freestateproject.org/) has me convinced it would be a great place to live and work. Only downside is it's location near the east coast.

golfer_ray
January 16, 2013, 01:08 AM
I live in Oklahoma now, where all 77 counties voted against Obama in the last election. So much for any federal aid, but we're used to it. Although we tend to hate Texans for football reasons, they tend to rebel against the feds more than other states & will be your best haven. Arizona, and we also have favorable gun laws. It gets hot, but we're "neighborly".

TreeDoc
January 16, 2013, 01:30 AM
From Oklahoma as well, just passed the open carry. God, guns and chicken fried steak. Spring weather in 'Tornado Alley' can get a little dicey, but the folks sure are nice.

Alaska444
January 16, 2013, 01:33 AM
I got my CCW class at CTS.:D

Haven't been shooting over there in over a year, maybe longer but can't get any better than CTS. No wonder it was the Shot Show best range in the whole US in 2010.

Alaska444
January 16, 2013, 01:35 AM
@ OpelBlitz - Montana, Wyoming and Idaho are all worth checking out. Lots of variety in scenery, many outdoor sports opportunities, and generally friendly people.

@ Alaska444 - You must be somwhere around CdA, pretty nice area. Spent some time there over the years, lots to do in the area.
I am so close to CDA that I think I actually live here, actually I do. Great place, we love it here. It reminds me a bit of Anchorage where I grew up in Alaska except that is for the mosquitoes up there.:eek:

Glad the Lord has opened the door for us to stay here. ;)

Twiki357
January 16, 2013, 02:18 AM
I opted for early retirement and escaped mexifornia in favor of Arizona ten years ago. CA's gun restrictions were actually only my second reason after cost of living.

lcambre
January 16, 2013, 06:46 AM
I left CA both because of the gun laws and high expenses.

sidheshooter
January 16, 2013, 04:04 PM
I am so close to CDA that I think I actually live here, actually I do. Great place, we love it here. It reminds me a bit of Anchorage where I grew up in Alaska except that is for the mosquitoes up there.:eek:

Glad the Lord has opened the door for us to stay here. ;)

Quit talking about how good it is, and keep CTS' awards to yourself. We don't need an exodus from other states.

:D:D

pickupman
January 24, 2013, 09:07 PM
I not only would but I did. And I am happy that I did it. By the way, I left the overtaxed state of NY.

OpelBlitz
January 24, 2013, 09:14 PM
I not only would but I did. And I am happy that I did it. By the way, I left the overtaxed state of NY.

Good for you man. I'm working on the same thing. (Different, but simiilar state).

ball3006
January 24, 2013, 09:24 PM
Don't need to move because I am in Texas. However, I do have a summer house in the UP of MI....chris3

orionengnr
January 24, 2013, 09:25 PM
I did, in January of 2004.

kimbershot
January 24, 2013, 09:28 PM
moved last yr. from ct to sc--property taxes 80% lower, utilities about 60% lower, don't freeze my <deleted> off and have toys that i couldn't get in ct.:what:

izhevsk
January 24, 2013, 10:10 PM
Born and raised, will never leave.

Ms_Dragon
January 24, 2013, 10:19 PM
I'd move to Arizona....for a whole bunch of reasons. Some of them have to do with gun laws. Others not so much. :p

ScrapMetalSlug
January 24, 2013, 10:20 PM
Yes, I have several times. I have had to adjust accordingly for all of the various firearms laws across this great land, especially under some oppressive regimes like NY even before this last law.
This involved stashing firearms in other states until I could return to own them legally again, like handguns and guns with bayonet lugs and the shoulder things that go up. I was very careful to not break any laws. Because if something is legal in one state but illegal in another, it can result in a felony which bans you from owning any guns in any state.
When I finally settle down, it won't be anywhere but a free state with good gun laws, as in I will not buy land or a house unless it is in a gun friendly state.

EBK
January 24, 2013, 10:28 PM
Missouri and Texas are on my list to move to if things start to go down hill.

asia331
January 24, 2013, 10:40 PM
Born & raised-Massachusetts.
Joined the Marines
Left 25 yrs later in Hawai'i.
Settled, found a good job in Arizona.
Any Questions?

jamesbeat
January 24, 2013, 10:44 PM
I live in NY, and I would be out of here in a heartbeat if I could.
I moved here from England, and it seems like I have hardly any more rights than I did there.

It's also cold, miserable and greedy with the taxes.

My wife would happily agree to move, but unfortunately we can't for another seven years.
Until my step son reaches the age of 18, we can't move to a different state, because her divorce papers prohibit it :(

harrygunner
January 24, 2013, 11:55 PM
I moved out of California and I had a CCW permit there for years.

But, the state moved too far to the left. It's ranked near the bottom for personal freedoms and business friendliness as well as support for the Second Amendment. Physically beautiful, but it's not a good place for "grown folks".

So, I I moved my business and myself. Glad I did. Things are getting worse as they attempt to tax themselves out of the hole they dug with their vast entitlement agenda.

Just read where they are about to blow up Silicon Valley with a retro-tax on investors back to 2008. http://www.xconomy.com/san-francisco/2013/01/24/the-surreal-ironic-story-behind-californias-retroactive-tax-on-investors/?single_page=true

As more businesses leave, more of the population will be left-wing voting members of an entitlement program.

KevininPa
January 25, 2013, 12:03 AM
Unfortunately, now that we have gran' youngins', I can't budge the wife. Pennsy isn't bad with gun laws but we're turning into more of a blue state every year. Won't be long. Too much overflow from the east. Funny thing is, it's not the gun thing that's buggin' me. I'm just finally sick of winter!

Alaska444
January 25, 2013, 04:04 PM
Unfortunately, now that we have gran' youngins', I can't budge the wife. Pennsy isn't bad with gun laws but we're turning into more of a blue state every year. Won't be long. Too much overflow from the east. Funny thing is, it's not the gun thing that's buggin' me. I'm just finally sick of winter!
My wife and I are sick of burning summers that are now coming sooner and lasting longer. We have been getting 100 degree weather from April to October and 90 degree weather off and on all year. Nope, don't mind a little bit of snow up here in Idaho at all after 20 years in the high desert of CA.

Filmtex
January 25, 2013, 04:21 PM
It seems that our ongoing conversation revolves not only the potential rape and pillage our federal constitution, but the advantages in gun ownership of some individual states. Some states like Texas and Arizona are proudly vocal about it, and frankly warmer weather sounds pretty good, even if I might need to learn spanish to get along.

Many of my friends say they are willing to fight from their doorstep to defend their rights, which sounds mighty romantic and feels satisfying in the imagination, but the reality of your family's comfort should be weighed. I might consider relocating to a friendlier state, but in this economy that could mean losing money on the house, risking job security and personal welfare, and also dealing with all the other transplants doing the same thing as you, just to be nearer to like-minded philosophy. People leave their state for a variety of reasons usually connected to something their local government screwed up, to avoid higher taxes, etc. People have had to migrate because of war.

Would you move for your beliefs or stay and do the "cold dead fingers" routine? Are we at war yet?
I would never move from Texas! I'm not from Texas, but I got here as fast as I could.

Ronin101
January 25, 2013, 05:46 PM
North Dakota is very pro gun. Only state running in the black and has the lowest unemployment in the US.

Only downside is the weather ;). And housing is tough to find right now.

Skribs
January 25, 2013, 05:56 PM
I'm starting to get worried in Washington. We have pretty good gun laws for a blue state, but our US senators are total hoplophobes and my rep seems like a gun grabber who knows how to talk to the majority of gun owners like he's their friend. I know they don't play much role in state legislature, but if these are the folk getting elected for the national arena, I hope we got some more level-headed folk in the state arena.

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