Ruger SR1911 vs. S&W 1911 E 5inch SS


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DavidB2
January 15, 2013, 12:04 PM
I am saving up for another 1911. I already have the Remington R1 and love it. However, I am looking at a stainless 1911; and have narrowed it to eithe the Ruger SR1911 or the S&W 1911 E series 5 inch. Any thoughts on these guns? The Ruger can be had for about $150.00 less. Just wondering if the S&W E is that much better?

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g_one
January 15, 2013, 01:36 PM
I've heard nothing but great reviews of the Ruger; although I haven't heard much specifically about their 1911, S&W also makes a great product. I personally would avoid both of them - they both have an external extractor, which isn't really an issue with reliability, but I think it kills the classic look that I love the 1911 for.

Fishslayer
January 15, 2013, 01:40 PM
- they both have an external extractor, which isn't really an issue with reliability, but I think it kills the classic look that I love the 1911 for.

Ummm.... no. The SR1911 has an internal extractor and GI length guide rod. It also posseses none of the newfangled nonsense like internal locks, firing pin blocks, etc. It does have the hole for LCI but you hardly notice it.

g_one
January 15, 2013, 01:42 PM
You're right, sorry. I'm not sure which other take on the 1911 I was thinking of, I'm gonna have to find it now though because it's bugging me

EDIT:
It's the SIGs. SIG is another firearm company that I would have no problem supporting or trusting their firearms with my life - but when they put external extractors on their 1911's, that ruled them out for me.

Southside830
January 15, 2013, 02:29 PM
Nothing wrong with an external extractor. If you rule out a Sig or a S&W based on the fact that it has an external extractor your eliminating two of the best 1911's on the market.

Greg528iT
January 15, 2013, 02:46 PM
The new Ruger commander length gun has me excited.

Sorry, not the barrel length you were asking about. But the brand is the same. so I'd lean to the Ruger

SwampWolf
January 15, 2013, 02:47 PM
Amen, Southside830.

460Kodiak
January 15, 2013, 03:34 PM
I bought the E series after looking at the Ruger. When it came down to it, I liked the front cocking serations, front strap checkering (I really did want that), and fish scale serations on the S&W. The serations are just a little bit different take on the 1911 that I like, and they do provide a very positive grip. I believe the slide is also forged on the Smith rather than cast on the Ruger if that matters to you.

When it came down to it, it was just a preference thing for the Smith. I easily could have gone with the Ruger though. I doubt if one is more reliable than the other. If you are looking at spending 3/4ths of a grand, why not just jump to the one you want? If those added perks are not worth the extra money, then go with the Ruger.

2bfree
January 15, 2013, 04:52 PM
Can't speak of the S&W but I can tell you I really like my SR1911. I just came back from another 200 rounds through it for a total of 600 so far. 150 of them factory ammo and the rest my reloads. I have had one failure to feed on the first round to chamber, not sure if I faild to fully rack or not (it was 29 degrees and my hands were getting a bit numb ) It was also a reload using a rather long OAL. It will hit the 10 0n the target at 25 Yards using a bench rest so I am happy. I can find nothing I don't like about it other then it being SS, I really wish they sold in Blued. For 619.00 it is a great value IMHO.

WoodchuckAssassin
January 15, 2013, 05:55 PM
I love when a SR1911 vs. Anything thread comes up!

As far as quality, I would put both on par with each other. Like a fellow poster said, it comes down to personal preference. I don't really care for any extra "frills" on my guns - especially 1911's. If you like front-slide serations, Ambi-safeties, etc...then the S&W is a great choice. I like the Ruger because...well, it's a Ruger...but besides that, it has a tight slide to frame fit, nice trigger (just over 5 lbs), all stainless, all American made, and again - no frills.

I do like the trigger of the S&W a little better (it's a little crisper, and maybe even a little lighter), but besides that, I'm still happy with my Ruger.

Fishslayer
January 16, 2013, 02:11 AM
Nothing wrong with an external extractor. If you rule out a Sig or a S&W based on the fact that it has an external extractor your eliminating two of the best 1911's on the market.

^^^ This. Internal vs external would be pretty far down the list of deal makers & breakers for me. I have a mix of both. Same with guide rod length. I'm not really a 1911 purist...

...except for forward cocking serrations. Not my cuppa meat. ;)

Jim PHL
January 16, 2013, 08:55 AM
Can anyone clarify regarding the S+W; aside from the external extractor, is it pretty much a 'true' 1911?

Fishbed77
January 16, 2013, 09:34 AM
Can anyone clarify regarding the S+W; aside from the external extractor, is it pretty much a 'true' 1911?

The SW1911 also has a Schwartz firing pin safety, which wasn't part of the original Browning design.

...and it has a beavertail grip safety.
...and better sights.
...and a skeletonized trigger.
...and different slide serrations and frame checkering.
etc., etc.

funnelcake
January 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
The Ruger's slide is barstock, not cast.

Funnel

JTQ
January 16, 2013, 12:30 PM
Fishbed77 wrote,
The SW1911 also has a Schwartz firing pin safety, which wasn't part of the original Browning design.

...and it has a beavertail grip safety.
...and better sights.
...and a skeletonized trigger.
...and different slide serrations and frame checkering.
etc., etc.
For clarity, it is a Swartz firing pin safety. However, the S&W "E Series" 1911's do not have a firing pin safety. The lack of a firing pin safety is the significant design feature of the "E Series" vs the previous generations of S&W 1911's. All the other changes are primarily cosmetic.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_770151_-1_757752_757751_image

May the schwartz be with you.;)

jakk280rem
January 16, 2013, 01:11 PM
For further clarification, yes, the older SW1911 did have the Swartz FPS. The new "E" series S&W 1911 does not have a FPS, of any style. It uses a titanium firing pin and extra power spring to pass a drop test.

460Kodiak
January 16, 2013, 02:32 PM
The Ruger's slide is barstock, not cast.


Thanks for clearing that up. Wasn't sure.

Fishbed77
January 16, 2013, 06:00 PM
May the schwartz be with you.

I see your schwartz is as big as mine! :D

meanmrmustard
January 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. Wasn't sure.
...and the Rugers slide and barrel come from the same bar, if that matters!

jmr40
January 16, 2013, 08:07 PM
The Ruger is a pretty good gun, but in my experiece the S&W 1911's are better. One of the best buys in a 1911. If you are a traditionalist the external extractor is a negative. If you want gun that works more reliably it is a positive.

wow6599
January 16, 2013, 08:10 PM
The Ruger is a pretty good gun, but in my experience the S&W 1911's are better. One of the best buys in a 1911. If you are a traditionalist the external extractor is a negative.

IMO, a perfect answer to the question.

BYJO4
January 16, 2013, 08:23 PM
Both are decent guns and I would probably buy the Ruger because of price.

WGSNewnan
January 16, 2013, 08:35 PM
the e series is a lot more gun than the sr1911. having both in hand - i can say the S&W is definitely the better built gun.

Greg528iT
January 17, 2013, 03:33 PM
...and the Rugers slide and barrel come from the same bar, if that matters!

unless they start with bar stock twice as long as the slide, ie cut in half and machine both ends separately I do not see how. If they are throwing away that much extra bar stock just to turn the barrel.. that's a lot a waste of material.

Thor88
January 17, 2013, 04:14 PM
While I have no experience with the Ruger, I have been very please with my S&W E-Series.
It has been completely reliable and much more accurate than I am.
The only negative I can think of is between the external extractor and slide serrations, it certainly isn't as traditional as some.

For what its worth I plan on picking up a commander SR1911 when I can find one.

Skylerbone
January 18, 2013, 02:04 AM
The Ruger's barrel and bushing are machined from a single piece of bar stock, not a big deal as the extra material is already there to accommodate the barrel feet.

The E-Series isn't completely conventional as it still sports a void at the rear of the frame for some unknown reason but is indeed devoid of a Swartz. It does not, on the base model, include an ambi-safety but does come equipped with a FLGR. While the front strap checkering is a nice touch the contour itself is rather incomplete in its radius, similar to a Les Baer. This leaves a rather unsightly (to me) gap between the front strap and stocks making it less comfortable overall than say a Colt with more rounded profile.

If I were buying again in that price range with only those two choices I'd choose the Ruger. If I were the OP however I'd save my pennies for a really nice 1911. You've already purchased one mid-priced 1911, why would you want more of the same?

JTQ
January 18, 2013, 06:59 AM
Ref S&W "E-Series" - This leaves a rather unsightly (to me) gap between the front strap and stocks making it less comfortable overall than say a Colt with more rounded profile.
I find that an oddity of the E-Series I haven't been able to get over. The older models didn't have the frame like that. I'm assuming it must be a cost savings feature, as I don't ever recall any 1911 fans ever saying "Gee, I wish some company would may a squarer front strap so I could have extra space on the grip frame that my grips won't cover".

Auto Ordnance used to have that same frame type, which bugged many a GI style 1911A1 lover, but recent pictures I've seen have shown the more rounded front strap like Colt.

Skylerbone
January 18, 2013, 08:49 AM
For those wanting a view, my E-Series vs. a Colt using Sarge's stocks which are slightly wider than a standard factory offering.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=142214&d=1305479581

Same stocks on a Colt leaving no gap between front strap:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=163560&d=1335626816

460Kodiak
January 18, 2013, 10:09 AM
Huh..... This is interesting. It is a difference I was unaware of since the S&W is the only 1911 I own so far, nor am I a 1911 expert. I can see how that would bug you true 1911 collectors. If you've been shooting 1911's for a long time, it could feel pretty weird. It doesn't bother me a bit as a newer 1911 owner. You learn something new everyday.

Nice horse skull by the way.

KTXdm9
January 18, 2013, 07:36 PM
Can't speak to the Smith, but I love my SR1911. Many great features for the pricing point.

Miterek
January 19, 2013, 10:45 PM
Today I put money down on a Ruger SR1911 CMD. Now I just have to wait

MassMan
January 20, 2013, 01:22 AM
I have 2 S&W 1911s, one of which is a performance center model. I love both and have never had an issue with either. I have friends who own the Ruger but I have yet to shoot one. That being said, a fellow named Mochak, who worked in the S&W performance center, left (or retired) from S&W when he was recruited by Ruger to run their 1911 project in Phoenix. He is the guy pictured in their early 1911 ads. Knowing his work and knowing Ruger's goal for quality, I am sure their 1911 is a fine gun.

JTQ
January 20, 2013, 12:40 PM
That being said, a fellow named Mochak, who worked in the S&W performance center, left (or retired) from S&W when he was recruited by Ruger to run their 1911 project in Phoenix.
Richard Mochak designed the S&W 1911 firing pin safety system. It is a very robust design. Most 1911 fanciers don't care for fining pin safeties, but I don't recall seeing many problems with the S&W design.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=yZUJAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

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