Eastern Outdoors Show -- PA Folks Let Them Hear You!


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Penoe Hunter
January 15, 2013, 06:30 PM
The Eastern Outdoor show in Harrisburg has told exhibitors that they are not to display or bring any "tactical weapons" or accessories. This is after the ads for the show advertised a "new larger gun and tactical alley" The presenter Reeds Expo are the same people that put on the SHOT Show. All the major gun rights groups have booths at the show. This is a very bad trend! :cuss:

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Sam1911
January 15, 2013, 07:28 PM
Can you provide a citation? I would like to pass that along to a LOT of people, but I want it verified first.

Penoe Hunter
January 15, 2013, 08:11 PM
From their Face Book Page:


https://www.facebook.com/#!/EasternSports

Status Update

By Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show

Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show-Update

The Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show is a unique celebration of the authentic hunting and fishing traditions that are cherished by millions of Americans and their families. We are proud to celebrate these pastimes by featuring 1,200 exhibitors offering a diverse range of products from outfitters to fishing boats and RVs, from archery to art and from clothes to cabins.

As a hunting-focused event, we welcome exhibitors who wish to showcase products and firearms that serve the traditional needs of the sport. Clearly, we strongly support the 2nd Amendment. However, this year we have made the decision not to include certain products that in the current climate may attract negative attention that would distract from the strong focus on hunting and fishing at this family-oriented event and possibly disrupt the broader positive experience of our guests.

ESS is proud to participate in the preservation and promotion of the rich hunting and fishing tradition passed from generation to generation by American families.

Sam1911
January 15, 2013, 10:32 PM
Thank you!

Left feedback on their site and contacted a few vendors as well.

Light 'em UP, folks!

fdashes
January 15, 2013, 10:37 PM
Anyone that attends is in that group of people that get exactally what they deserve. For the Country please BOYCOTT

ArcherandShooter
January 15, 2013, 11:22 PM
Their FB page is getting a LOT of very angry comments. Clearly a decision that will hurt them in the wallet.

Sam1911
January 15, 2013, 11:22 PM
I pray it is so!

I forwarded it to many members (including the President) of my gun club, which is very local to Harrisburg) and also to Walt Jones for distribution through his IDPA & Competition weekly mailing list which reaches several thousand shooters all over PA, MD, NY, and NJ.

BP44
January 16, 2013, 01:10 AM
Well done fellas, good on ya.

mbt2001
January 16, 2013, 01:30 AM
https://www.facebook.com/BoycottTheEasternSportsAndOutdoorShow

There is now a boycott group. Like it and lets send a msg.

hso
January 16, 2013, 08:07 AM
The individual vendors scheduled to set up need to voice their disapproval of the decision of the promoters to throw a legitimate segment of the shooting sports family under the bus. They're going to have to decide if it is worthwhile to travel to a show that may have low attendance and face the controversy that the the promoters have caused. Bad for them and their businesses and bad for us if they don't cancel and find something worthwhile to do.

hso
January 16, 2013, 08:17 AM
Here's the website for the show http://www.easternsportshow.com/Exhibitors/Want-to-Exhibit/
Here's the link for information on the exhibitors - http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/index.cfm?show_id=ess13

There is some information on the exhibitors on the site that will allow you to contact the individual exhibitors to make them aware of the controversy and opposition they're likely to face. While the majority of them appear to be exclusively hunting oriented the NY ban would make the semiauto hunting rifle a thing of the past impacting their customers. Encourage them to contact the promoters and ask for an explanation of why a legitimate segment of the shooting sports family has been treated this way. Encourage them to not set up.

mustang_gt_350
January 17, 2013, 01:36 PM
http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/803576_Assault-weapons-banned-at-Eastern-Sports-show-in-Harrisburg.html

Litlman
January 17, 2013, 04:34 PM
I will not attend and will advise anyone that I know to do the same. It would have been interesting to browse the VAST area that is the complex to see what the prices are up to on firearms, ammo and accessories. My local shop may get 1 AR in a week and it is usually spoken for. The ammo amount is down also, 9mm and 223 down. The front runners are coming in and buying up everything. I am talking people who have never owned a firearm. Anyone else see this. Oh my local shop is not gouging. Good people.

barnbwt
January 17, 2013, 11:52 PM
we welcome...firearms that serve the traditional needs of the sport. Clearly, we strongly support the 2nd Amendment.

Coulda fooled me :scrutiny:
Folks, don't bother wasting time posting on their Facebook page; go straight to any all linked vendors or show attendees and make your displeasure known there--especially if you live within driving range of the show/vendors.

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"FUUUUDDDD!!!"

Penoe Hunter
January 18, 2013, 10:44 AM
Response from NRA:
NRA's statement on the ESOS:


NRA Statement in Response to Reed Exhibitions' Decision to Ban Modern Sporting Rifles from the Eastern Sports & Outdoor Show




The National Rifle Association strongly disagrees with Reed Exhibitions' decision to ban Modern Sporting Rifles from the Eastern Sports Show in Harrisburg, PA, February 2-10. We encourage Reed Exhibitions to reconsider their position.

While this decision has come as a surprise and concern, we have made a commitment to our members in Pennsylvania and surrounding states and are eagerly looking forward to the opportunity to interact with as many as 250,000 fellow hunters and sportsmen. We encourage all attendees to stand and fight for the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens and not cower from our principles in the face of media pressure. We urge you to follow the NRA and the outdoor industry's lead by voicing your displeasure with Reed Exhibitions both before and during the show and encourage them to reconsider their position.

The NRA's future participation in the Eastern Sports & Outdoor Show will be determined by Reed Exhibitions actions in response to the concerns raised by the NRA, the outdoor industry, and America's law-abiding gun owners.

Pretty weak

Sam1911
January 18, 2013, 10:55 AM
Not sure exactly what I'd do in the NRA's shoes. A big show like this is a huge PR and recruitment opportunity and simply not being present hurts the organization -- and probably hurts NRA more than Reed. Further, considering the heat on the NRA right now, being seen as retreating from any public venue is not a show of strength. Yeah, they can try an explain that it's because of the assault rifle issue, but it's really a no-win situation for NRA.

On the one hand, yeah ... they "should' boycott just on general principle. On the other hand, they've really got to try and make the smartest overall move, not the most immediately palatable one.

rjrivero
January 18, 2013, 11:19 AM
The NRA can NOT take a hard line stand in Congress at the same time they are compromising their stance within the industry.

They NEED to boycott this event, or they will lose me and those like me.

Sam1911
January 18, 2013, 11:38 AM
Somehow I'm seeing their decision there as a lot more nuanced than to invite a "I'm ditching the NRA if they are present at the show" response. As I said, dropping out will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt Reed. VERY few people would be coming to the show just to see the NRA folks, but the NRA gets the chance to talk to and be seen by ~250,000 visitors. It's hard to make a boycott compelling when the one you're boycotting stands to lose almost nothing from your absence.

In face, based on the NRA's statements, I'd bet Reed would be QUITE HAPPY if NRA didn't show up.

Litlman
January 18, 2013, 10:33 PM
Maybe the NRA should encourage its standing members to boycott the event. And advise all current members and future members to avoid any events that only encourage "some" shooting sports. The NRA's verbal response is weak. Does that really state that they "strongly disagree' with Reed Promotions position???

Penoe Hunter
January 19, 2013, 12:57 AM
NSSF Statement on Reed Exhibitions' Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show

The National Shooting Sports Foundation strongly disagrees with the decision of the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show's management to disallow the display and sale of Modern Sporting Rifles at its 2013 exhibition. In our discussions with Reed Exhibitions, we have made this very clear.

While assuring us that all legally available firearms will be welcome at future Eastern Sports and Outdoor Shows, it was explained that this unfortunate decision was made in response to the planned actions of a single retailer that would have drawn significant unwelcomed media coverage at a time when firearms ownership is being assailed in the media. It is important to note that this year's show will continue to feature a wide variety of firearms.

However, it would be unfair to penalize the 1,200 exhibitors or the some 200,000 sportsmen and women who will attend the show by discouraging participation at a time when the hunting and shooting sports community needs to be united in the face of political challenges.

We urge industry exhibitors and attendees to participate in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show as planned and encourage attendees to visit the Reed Exhibitions booth at the show to share their concerns and to then enjoy the show.

Penoe Hunter
January 19, 2013, 04:45 PM
Due to recent changes made by Reed Exhibitions regarding the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show, Cabelas will no longer sponsor this years event. After careful consideration regarding Cabelas business practices, and the feelings of our customers, Cabelas will, unfortunately, not have a presence at the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show.





https://www.facebook.com/Cabelas

Sam1911
January 19, 2013, 05:57 PM
Due to recent changes made by Reed Exhibitions regarding the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show, Cabelas will no longer sponsor this years event. After careful consideration regarding Cabelas business practices, and the feelings of our customers, Cabelas will, unfortunately, not have a presence at the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show.That's fantastic! At least one of the notes I sent did some good! Cabela's was a front-page, banner sponsor! OUCH! :)

barnbwt
January 19, 2013, 09:01 PM
NRA ought to boycott them next year. They've probably already been roped into paying for the tables, so I can't fault them for sticking around

TCB

rjrivero
January 19, 2013, 09:09 PM
I'm going to Cabela's tomorrow to buy something.

lobo9er
January 19, 2013, 10:38 PM
I started emailing vendors also thanks for the link has them all table by table.

Doubleobuck
January 19, 2013, 10:51 PM
I was planning to attend the show.. and even though I own no Modern Sporting Rifles.. I will NOT be attending this show this year.

I was planning on spending lots on money too!! :D

ArcherandShooter
January 20, 2013, 12:05 AM
"Planned actions of a single vendor"

No names, no details. My BS detector just sounded.

lobo9er
January 20, 2013, 09:13 AM
Cross Canyon Arms emailed me back almost instantly they are pulling out and agreed with my thoughts. http://crosscanyonarms.com

They just made a supporter out of me.

BullfrogKen
January 20, 2013, 03:32 PM
Several other companies earlier announced their intention to withdraw from the show. The (Lancaster) Intelligencer Journal/Lancaster New Era said:

Kinsey’s Outdoors of Mount Joy
Lancaster Archery Supply and
Trop Gun Shop of Elizabethtown

had said they do not intend to participate.


Cabela's pulls out of Harrisburg outdoors show over gun flap (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/cabelas_pulls_out_of_harrisbur.html#incart_river_default)


Trop's and Kinsey's are two of the biggest mom-and-pop gun stores in the area.


But Cabela's pulling out is a big deal. The do a lot of business at this show.

lobo9er
January 20, 2013, 05:53 PM
Email outdoor channel they make alot of money televising AR15's and "AW's"

BullfrogKen
January 20, 2013, 06:07 PM
E-mail Outdoor Channel why? And tell them what?

BCCL
January 20, 2013, 07:40 PM
Outdoor Edge Knives just posted this on their company FB page.

"The Eastern Sports and Outdoors Show in Harrisburg, PA (Feb. 2-10) announced a ban on the display and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. Outdoor Edge and Love of the Hunt TV have decided to pull out and boycott the show as have other celebrities including Lee and Tiffany Lakowsky, Fred Eichler and major retailers like Cabela’s. If you were planning to go to this show we suggest you don’t. If you agree or disagree with our decision please reply. Also spread the word on your personal page to boycott the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show."

rjrivero
January 20, 2013, 07:52 PM
NRA ought to boycott them next year. They've probably already been roped into paying for the tables, so I can't fault them for sticking around

TCB

Next year won't help. If Cabela's is pulling out, the NRA can pull out. There is no excuse to compromise your stand now. NRA, please consider pulling your support of this event.

lobo9er
January 20, 2013, 10:59 PM
E-mail Outdoor Channel why? And tell them what?
Why you wont be attending and why they should't be attending.

mnhntr
January 21, 2013, 05:07 PM
This show is lame, all the big names pulled out. Good for them it is better to not have their names associated with being there.

98Redline
January 22, 2013, 02:53 PM
We also need to be hitting up Ruger and Smith and Wesson.

As of now both companies are shown as exhibitors, and both companies produce firearms that Reed designates as not welcome at the show.

Contact them at:

Ruger Firearms
http://ruger.com/footer/contact.html

Smith and Wesson
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757826_-1_757814_757812_image

rjrivero
January 22, 2013, 02:57 PM
Cold Steel has backed out of the show as well.

http://www.coldsteel.com/eastern-sports-and-outdoor-show.aspx

rjrivero
January 22, 2013, 04:01 PM
Smith and Wesson has pulled out as well.

Smith & Wesson® Withdraws from Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show®

SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (January 22, 2013) --- Smith & Wesson, a U.S. based leader in firearm manufacturing and design, today announced that the Company will not attend nor will it support or participate in the 2013 Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The announcement comes after the decision of show management co...mpany, Reed Exhibitions, to prohibit the display of modern sporting rifles in this year’s event.

James Debney, President and CEO of Smith & Wesson, said, “As a market leader in the firearm industry and an iconic brand that spans 160 years of American history, we believe it is important to make our position perfectly clear: We support the Second Amendment and the rights of our law-abiding customers to purchase these and all legal firearms. Therefore, we are unable to support any organization or event that prohibits legal firearms, or otherwise restricts a citizen's lawful and constitutional rights.”

About Smith & Wesson
Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC) is a U.S.-based leader in firearm manufacturing and design, delivering a broad portfolio of quality firearms, related products and training to the consumer, law enforcement, and military markets. The company’s brands include Smith & Wesson®, M&P® and Thompson/Center Arms™. Smith & Wesson facilities are located in Massachusetts and Maine. For more information on Smith & Wesson, call (800) 331-0852 or log on to www.smith-wesson.com.

Guillermo
January 22, 2013, 04:13 PM
http://mynortheastoutdoors.com/esos-boycott-supporters/

These folks have pulled out so sending them a note of support is a good idea

2 Million Bullets
24/7 Hunting TV
Alaska’s Ravencroft Lodge
Alaskan Outdoors TV
Ambush Firearms
American Whitetails of PA
Antler Insanity
Apex Tactical
Appalachian Big Game TV
Arrowhead Outdoors
Athens Archery
Atlantic Tactical
Avian X Decoys
Bangin Redhedz Turkey Gear
Bear Archery
Blitz TV
Bohning Archery
Boondock Outdoors
Bow Hunter’s Den
Bow Life, LLC
BowHunter Planet
Bowhunting.com
Cabela’s
Camo Addiction
Campbell Cameras
CanCooker
Cochrane River Outfitters
Cody Turkey Calls
Cold Steel Knives
Combative Edge
Continental Divide Outfitters
Cross Canyon Arms
Cutting Edge Bullets
Darkwoods Blind
DCVR
Dead Ringer
Deer and Deer Hunting.com
Direct Action Tactical Firearms
Dirty Dog Outdoors
Domari Nolo Defense Consulting
Dominance is Everything Hunting System
Dominator 365
Down N Dirty Outdoors
Driven TV
Droptine Outfitters
DuckWater Boats
Eastern Chapter Wild Sheep Foundation
Eastern Outdoors
Easton Bow Hunting
Excalibur Crossbow US, Inc
Farmland Trophies Outfitting
Fear No Evil
Field Proven Calls
Firearms Industry Consulting Group
Flatline Productions
Foiles Migrators, Inc
Forbes Turkey Calls
FOXPRO High Performance Game Calls
Full Circle Outdoors
Furtakers TV
Ghost River Outfitters – Alberta
Gone Wild Outdoors
Goodling Rifles
Gut N Tag, LLC
H.S. Specialities
Heartland Whitetails
Hevi-Shot
High Lonesome Outfitters
HookHunt
Hoyt Archery Inc
Hunter Safety Systems
Hunter Specialties w/ Rick White
Hunters and Guides Connection
Hunters Comfort, LLC
Hunter’s Specialties
Huntin’ Is Good! TV
IceHole Coolers
International Bowhunting Organization
Iron Kin Hunt Club
IScope
J & M Traditions
Keystone Country Store
Keystone Elk Country Alliance
King of the Mountain Inc.
Kinsey’s Outdoors
Kodabow
Lancaster Archery Supply
Major League Bowhunter
Men in Treestands Productions
Midwest Whitetail Adventures
Mindful of Nature LLC
Mountain Dog Chews
Muddy Outdoors
Muskie Moose, LLC
NasHunt Outdoors
Nature Blinds, LLC
NasHunt Outdoors
Northern Hideaway Outfitters
Northern Outdoor Lodge
Northern Wilderness Outfitters
Old Goat Outdoors
Open Season TV
Outdoor Channel Outfitters
Outdoor Edge Knives
Outdoor Specialist Grou
Outdoorsnative.com
Ozonics Hunting
PA Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs
PA Taxidermist Association, Inc
Pat Strawser Custom Calls
Pennsylvania Trappers Assoc.
Perry’s No Peep Archery Site
Pipeline Ridge Hunting Preserve
Primal Urge Outdoors
Primos Hunting Calls
Proc’s Huntin Buddy
PSE Archery
Radical Hunter
Ranew’s Outdoor Equipment
Red Star Arms
Revolution Hunting
Rhino Outdoors
Rougeaux Taxidermy
S & W Outfitter
SecureIt Tactical
Skull Shine
Southern Game Calls
Spook Span
Sportsmen of North America TV
State Line Bone Mine
Staudt’s Gun Shop
Stay Ready Inc
Stokerized Stabilizers
Susquehanna River Waterfowlers Assoc
Table Mountain Outfitters
Team Overkill
The Bear Whisperer
The Outdoor Loop
The State Line Bone Mine a NW Missouri and Iowa outfitter
The Warmbag
Timberline Outfitters
TNT Archery
Tough Country
Trijicon, Inc
Triple Mag TV
Trop Gun Shop
Turnbull Manufacturing
U Slide Bow Hunter
Ultimate Camo
Umax Outdoors
Upper Canyon Outfitters
Wallaston Lake Lodge
Tex Mex Outdoors
The Warmbag
Watson Air Lock
Watt’s Truck Center
Whitetail Bosses
Whitetail Freaks
Whitetail Heaven Outdoors
Whitewolfsurvivalsupply.com
Wired Outdoors
Woodcock Limited of Pennsylvania
X-Stand Treestands
Zink Calls
Zook Cabins

Speaker / Celebrites Pulled Out
Abner Druckenmiller – Furtakers TV
Angie & Scott Denny – THE LIFE at Table Mountain
Blaine Anthony, The Bear Whisperer
Bob Folkrod
Bob Mercier
Chris Brackett
Eddie Salter
Fred Eichler – Fulldraw Outfitters
Jay Gregory
Jim and Eva Shockey
Larry Weishuhn
Lee & Tiffany Lakosky “The Crush“
Matt Morett
Michael Waddell
Pat & Nicole Reever
Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo – Archers Choice
Stan Potts
The Bone Collector
Tom Dokken
Trent Cole

Other Boycott Supporters
Anything About Guns
Bloodline With Alex
Ruthledge
Blue Rock Outfitters
Broken Arrow Wilderness
Chasing Trophy Whitetails
Eddie Salter
Family Traditions TV
Gene & Barry Wensel
Haley Heath
Hank Parker
NebraskaOutfitter.com
Roger Raglin
Wyvern Creations

Sam1911
January 22, 2013, 04:22 PM
And now Ruger too!

RUGER – WITHDRAWS FROM THE ESOS
Ruger has decided not to attend the upcoming Eastern Sports Show. We are very frustrated by Reed Exhibitions’ foolish decision to ban the display of modern sporting rifles.

We feel that, as one of America’s firearms manufacturers, we must withdraw from the show as a commitment to the 2nd Amendment rights of our customers.

Nonetheless, we are very disappointed not to be attending the Eastern Sports Show. We were looking forward to attending the show for the first time this year and meeting and supporting the 200,000+ sportsmen and women that attend this great celebration of the outdoors.

We hope the show will be successful for the many outfitters and other vendors who depend on the show for their annual business.

BullfrogKen
January 22, 2013, 04:24 PM
Wow. Guess they didn't see this coming, did they?


I'm not sure this show will survive this hit and be able to come back from it. At least not with the current promoter.

blarby
January 22, 2013, 04:27 PM
So, exactly how many are left ?

Someone should work on Jamie Gray..that would be a kicker.

BCCL
January 22, 2013, 04:39 PM
Ain't gonna be much of a show at this point.

va1911
January 22, 2013, 04:42 PM
Just yesterday my brother in-law and I decided, on principle, not to make the 7 hour trek from Ohio for the show. I grew up in PA close by Harrisburg and grew up going to the show. I am shocked at the full list.

mustang_gt_350
January 22, 2013, 04:45 PM
This is awesome. I'm very excited to see all of the vendors pulling out and standing up for what they beleive in.

Seventhsword
January 22, 2013, 04:49 PM
LOve it!:D

rjrivero
January 22, 2013, 05:01 PM
Somehow I'm seeing their decision there as a lot more nuanced than to invite a "I'm ditching the NRA if they are present at the show" response. As I said, dropping out will hurt them a lot more than it will hurt Reed. VERY few people would be coming to the show just to see the NRA folks, but the NRA gets the chance to talk to and be seen by ~250,000 visitors. It's hard to make a boycott compelling when the one you're boycotting stands to lose almost nothing from your absence.

In face, based on the NRA's statements, I'd bet Reed would be QUITE HAPPY if NRA didn't show up.

I think I changed my position on this. I think the NRA SHOULD show up and demonstrate how effective their membership can be. Ring the bell clearly demonstrating that the NRA Members are active. Let them know that the 2nd Amendment effects ALL Americans, weather they decide to hunt, or not.

See. I can admit when I'm wrong! ;)

BullfrogKen
January 22, 2013, 05:23 PM
VERY few people would be coming to the show just to see the NRA folks, but the NRA gets the chance to talk to and be seen by ~250,000 visitors.

I do believe there will be a big drop in people attending. Certainly not in the numbers that Reed Exhibitions expects - and needs - to show up and pay their bills through the entry fee revenues.

The NRA expected about 200k before this nonsense. I think this show will be lucky to see just half that number now. If these retailers and big companies can pull out, it's time the NRA follow suit.


Once it opens I'll drive by and see which overflow parking lots are full and which aren't. The Farm Show Complex is only about 20-25 minutes from my house here on the West Shore of the river.

Sam1911
January 22, 2013, 05:26 PM
From what my wife just told me, there is also a secondary protest movement for those folks "trapped" into attending. Supposedly, those who can't back out for whatever reason, but would if they could, will be wearing orange (...seems like there might already be some orange, though) to indicate that they will have no FURTHER association after this year's show.

BullfrogKen
January 22, 2013, 05:31 PM
Yeah, well just make sure you don't tell the guys directing the parking, "I appreciate your support."

Sam1911
January 22, 2013, 05:32 PM
Well...that could be pretty ironic! Every parking attendant and every Donny Deerbuster in his full blaze orange jumpsuit are all supporting the boycott! :)

Guillermo
January 22, 2013, 05:39 PM
I would be more obvious and print up neon orange shirts with the second amendment on a scroll printed on it and an AR15

In addition I would have a sign up sheet for people to sue the show for false advertisement.

After all, their advertising states to the effect of "1200 of the top outdoor sports companies".

Sam1911
January 22, 2013, 06:31 PM
Actually, as with Mr. Zumbo a few years back, I'm seeing this as a real positive event for RKBA. Yes, the assault or betrayal hurts. But the public show of force, of a real community of 2nd Amendment supporters and activists coming together -- getting off their butts (um...maybe staying ON their butts?) -- together is noticed by a national audience. And the fact that it WORKING proves that this isn't a few disgruntled cranks sitting on their sofas grumbling about the gub'mint, but a serious and cohesive grass roots movement. That sends a message to a lot of folks. They may not like that message, but when this sort of thing hits the national stage (like when multiple national companies take notice and lend their voices), other gun owners notice (and think about their own stance on such issues and start asking what their gun owning pals believe), other venues and promoters notice (and take notes on what NOT to ever do), other public figures notice (and choose to come out with a strong pro-2nd Amendment stance they'll not readily back away from), and politicians notice what all those dedicated voters just did.

That's a net positive, right there.

aubie515
January 22, 2013, 06:32 PM
Good...the promoter deserves what they get for making such a stupid decision.

Ole Humpback
January 22, 2013, 06:32 PM
I posted this as a new thread, but the NWTF just sent out an email about half an hour ago stating they were withdrawing from this event:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=697909

BullfrogKen
January 22, 2013, 07:13 PM
Wow. National Wild Turkey Federation pulled out, too? And with such a strong statement. That's awesome.


This show is going to be nothing more than a few guides and outfitters looking to book hunts to a very light crowd very soon.


. . . .and politicians notice what all those dedicated voters just did.

That's a net positive, right there.

Yeah, it is.


Anyone get an update from the NRA yet?

Sam1911
January 22, 2013, 10:46 PM
How about THIS update? http://mynortheastoutdoors.com/nra-withdraws-from-eastern-sports-outdoors-show-due-to-reed-exhibitions-decision-to-ban-modern-sporting-rifles/

Unbelievable how much clout "we the people" can exert with the ability to communicate and organize we now possess thanks to the 'net and forums like THR (among many others).

Make no mistake, it was the calls of the members that convinced the NRA to change their position on this.

BullfrogKen
January 22, 2013, 11:09 PM
I'll say it again, why on earth Reed Exhibitions decided to do this I'll never know.


They just held the SHOT Show. This very promoter. (http://www.reedexpo.com/en/Our-Events/events-list/#) There were whole bunches of modern semi-automatic rifles there. Even a few fully automatic ones, too.


I'm going to pay close attention to this in the coming weeks and months.


Good for the NRA!!!!!

rjrivero
January 22, 2013, 11:18 PM
I have a thought on that. Reed Exhibitions is doing that show. They are the same group that does the SHOT Show. They are based in the UK. I could see them being used to "test the waters" and see if they can drive a wedge between hunters/outdoorsmen and the 2nd Amendment "nuts."

They announce this "no black rifles" stand and see where it goes. If it rolls through un-noticed then the NRA has lost it's grass roots base and they anticipate an easy path to ban the Eugene Stoner and high capacity magazines. If it causes the biggest outdoors/Sportsman show to fall apart, maybe they can pare out a few mom and pop gun dealers. The ones that use this show as their "Christmas" type income. They can just thin the herd. Either way, a Win-Win for the anti gun types.

I do think this is also a good opportunity for the 2nd Amendment activists to show the NRA Membership WILL MOBILIZE and will NOT STAND for anti-2A businesses who don't share the commitment to the constitution and the principles of our liberties.

I don't think that a strong enough stand was taken against Dicks and Walmart for their affront to the 2nd Amendment.

Sam1911
January 22, 2013, 11:32 PM
"Used?" By whom? Are you suggesting that Reed was asked to do this by the President? Or another politician? Or some overseas entity? I agree that the whole affair is working (in a most positive way) to demonstrate whether or not we will let such things pass meekly, but I'm going to have to see some proof if I'm to believe there's intent here somewhere.

I'm seeing this wholly as a grossly mis-read gamble on Reed's part to mitigate controversy. I've still no idea what "one vendor" (in their words) was going to do that was expected to produce enough public outcry as to make Reed run scared and take this step, but whatever it was the results they've garnered were FAR, far worse. I'm seeing this as a potentially career-ending mistake for someone in Reed's management who made this call, but that's all I am ready to believe it was -- a mistake.

BullfrogKen
January 22, 2013, 11:34 PM
Look, show promoters do this stuff to make money, that's it. Look at all the different events they put on. Home and Garden, auto shows, even the New York Comic Con for Pete's sake.

http://www.reedexpo.com/RX/RX_ReedExpo/Documents/6504_RX_CALENDAR_ONLINE_DECEMBER_2012_v6.pdf


This is a business. Money. Why some knucklehead at Corporate decided to insert politics into this and make their statement - at the very time they were doing a whole 'nother actual real honest-to-God gun convention is beyond me.


I don't think these guys are motivated by trying to be some mole in the anti-gun movement. SHOT is only like the most attended firearms industry show in the whole world, and has been for many years.


Perhaps the guys who actually work the gun-promotin' segment of the business must have been at SHOT when a bunch of anti-gunners contacted Corporate and convinced someone there this was a good idea.


Whatever. MAJOR stupid more. Epic fail. Very soon they will have to answer to the guys who go to SHOT as well.

BullfrogKen
January 22, 2013, 11:37 PM
Sam, if it was just this one vendor story, why they just didn't tell that one vendor they can't come escapes me. I'm quite sure they have a clause in their contract about not taking actions that would harm the reputation of the promoter or the venue.

damifiknow


I'll be curious to see the fallout, especially for SHOT 2014. There may not be an Eastern Sports and Outdoors Show 2014 after the dust settles here.

blarby
January 22, 2013, 11:44 PM
Jamie said "heck no" as well !

http://mynortheastoutdoors.com/jamie-gray-2012-olympic-gold-medallist-in-womens-3x20-rifle-pulls-out-of-esos/

Rock on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 12:19 AM
Well she is a class act.

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 01:10 AM
This needs passed around -

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/virtual_competition_boycott_le.html

Virtual competition: Boycott leaders to launch website for vendors opting out of Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show

By Julianne Mattera | PennLive.com
on January 22, 2013 at 12:25 AM, updated January 22, 2013 at 7:40 AM

If boycott leaders have it their way, vendors pulling out of the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show could end up selling their wares at a one-stop shop online.

Reed Exhibitions, the show's organizers, have banned the showing and selling of tactical rifles at the show. That recent announcement turned one advertiser, MyNortheastOutdoors.com, into a boycott advocate.

.....

MyNortheastOutdoors.com will be building and hosting a “Virtual Sports Show” online for vendors who have pulled out of the show. Companies will be able to post their items for sale at no cost.

McConnell said he hopes vendors will be able to use the website to earn back money they spent on booth space for the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show.



Rest of story at the link.

BCCL
January 23, 2013, 08:19 AM
OOOPS, see it's already here! :)

NRA is out now.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/nra-withdraws-from-eastern-sports-outdoor-show-due-to-reed-exhibitions-decision-to-ban-modersn-sporting-rifles.aspx

lobo9er
January 23, 2013, 08:27 AM
good good. If I had the funds I would rent a building in proximity and hold my own show if the vendors still wanted to hang out, with AR's

Fryerpower
January 23, 2013, 08:36 AM
Gosh! I have not heard about any of this in the news! :rolleyes:

-Jim

45lcshooter
January 23, 2013, 08:48 AM
ive been going to the show every year for past 15 years, and going several days a week, because you cant see everything in one day. 2 of the major businesses that help promote and run the show are not going. Kinsey's Outdoors, and Lancaster Archery. I commend them for not going and i will try and make it to both their businesses that week to purchase something. Up the road from Kinsey's is Trop Gun Shop. They are not going either. I applaud any business not going to the Eastern Outdoor Sports Show, or to most is called "holy week" or "sportsmans show". I wont step foot in the Farm Show Complex ever again for the sportsmans show!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have alot of friends that are following suit, if eveyone that feels the way i do has a buddy that feels the same, take advantage of it, and promote boycott of the show!!!! send them a message!!!

fdashes
January 23, 2013, 08:59 AM
I agree with Fryerpower. None of this has been in the news and I can see a bad thing happening. If the news gets this on their own the spin is going go be that the show was cancelled due to lack of interest and from people pulling thier stands. I don't know how and don't live in that area but someone with writing skills should put something in local papers telling what is going on and that "we the people" caused this. Don't tread on us.

Russ Jackson
January 23, 2013, 09:16 AM
Here are some of the Vendors that have pulled out. If you can hit some of the websites and give your support. Send them an email. Buy some stuff!
2 Million Bullets
24/7 Hunting TV
Absaroke-Beartooth Outfitters
Alaska’s Ravencroft Lodge
Alaskan Outdoors TV
Ambush Firearms
American Whitetails of PA
Antler Insanity
Apex Tactical
Appalachian Big Game TV
Arrowhead Outdoors
Artistic Visions Wildlife Studio
Athens Archery
Atlantic Tactical
Avian X Decoys
Banded Calls
Bangin Redhedz Turkey Gear
Bear Archery
Big Game Butter
Blitz TV
Body Guard 360
Bohning Archery
Boulder Basin Outfitters
Boondock Outdoors
Bow Hunter’s Den
Bow Life, LLC
Buck Bomb
Burt Coyote Lumenok
C&D Outfitters
Cabela’s
Camo Addiction
Campbell Cameras
CanCooker
Chaparral Hunting Adventures
Cochrane River Outfitters
Cody Turkey Calls
Cold Steel Knives
Combative Edge
Continental Divide Outfitters
Cross Canyon Arms
Cutting Edge Bullets
Darkwoods Blind
DCVR
Dead Ringer
Deer and Deer Hunting.com
Direct Action Tactical Firearms
Dirty Dog Outdoors
Domari Nolo Defense Consulting
Dominance is Everything Hunting System
Dominator 365
Dokken Oakridge Kennels
Down N Dirty Outdoors
Drakes Migration Nation
Driven TV
Droptine Outfitters
DuckWater Boats
Eastern Chapter Wild Sheep Foundation
Eastern Outdoors
Easton Bow Hunting
Excalibur Crossbow US, Inc
Farmland Trophies Outfitting
Fear No Evil
Field Proven Calls
Firearms Industry Consulting Group
Firenock
Fish Outdoor Properties
Flatline Productions
Foiles Migrators, Inc
Forbes Turkey Calls
FOXPRO High Performance Game Calls
Full Circle Outdoors
Furtakers TV
Ghost River Outfitters – Alberta
Goey Hunting Calls
Gone Wild Outdoors
Goodling Rifles
Grand-Safari.com – South Africa/Tanzania/Cameroon
Gut N Tag, LLC
H.S. Specialities
Heartland Whitetails
Herd Guard
Hevi-Shot
High Lonesome Outfitters
HookHunt
Hoyt Archery Inc
Honey Creek Outfitters
Hunter Safety Systems
Hunter Specialties w/ Rick White
Hunters and Guides Connection
Hunters Comfort, LLC
Hunter’s Specialties
Huntin’ Is Good! TV
IceHole Coolers
International Bowhunting Organization
Iron Kin Hunt Club
IScope
J & M Traditions
Keystone Country Store
Keystone Elk Country Alliance
King of the Mountain Inc.
Kinsey’s Outdoors
Kodabow
Lancaster Archery Supply
Lanco Tactical
Leupold & Stevens Inc.
Lone Oak Retreivers
Major League Bowhunter
Masterpiece Outdoors, Inc.
Men in Treestands Productions
Midwest Whitetail Adventures
Mindful of Nature LLC
Montana Mountain West Outfitters
Mountain Dog Chews
Muddy Outdoors
Muskie Moose, LLC
NasHunt Outdoors
National Wild Turkey Federation
Nature Blinds, LLC
NasHunt Outdoors
National Rifle Association
Northern Hideaway Outfitters
Northern Outdoor Lodge
Northern Wilderness Outfitters
North Mountain Pepper Works
Ol’Man Treestands
Old Goat Outdoors
Open Season TV
Outdoor Channel Outfitters
Outdoor Edge Knives
Outdoor Specialist Group
Outdoorsnative.com
Ozonics Hunting
PA Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs
PA Taxidermist Association, Inc
Pat Strawser Custom Calls
Pennsylvania Trappers Assoc.
Perry’s No Peep Archery Sights
Pipeline Ridge Hunting Preserve
Primal Urge Outdoors
Primos Hunting Calls
Proc’s Huntin Buddy
PSE Archery
Radical Hunter
Ranew’s Outdoor Equipment
Red Star Arms
Reflections Of The Wild
Revolution Hunting
Rhino Outdoors
Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
Rougeaux Taxidermy
Ruger Firearms
S & W Outfitter
Savco LLC
SecureIt Tactical
Shootingthex.com
SK Knives
Skull Shine
Smith and Wesson
Southern Game Calls
Spook Span
SportEAR
Sportsmen of North America TV
Starkey Hollow Whitetails
State Line Bone Mine
Staudt’s Gun Shop
Stay Ready Inc
Stokerized Stabilizers
Strother Archery
Summit County Outfitters
Summit Treestands
Susquehanna River Waterfowlers Assoc
Table Mountain Outfitters
Team Overkill
Team Urban Nocks
Ten Point Crossbows
The Bear Whisperer
The Outdoor Loop
The Sportsman’s Shop
The Warmbag
ThermaCell
Thompson Center Arms
Timberline Outfitters
TNT Archery
Tough Country
Trijicon, Inc
Triple Mag TV
Trop Gun Shop
Turnbull Manufacturing
U Slide Bow Hunter
Ultimate Camo
Umax Outdoors
Upper Canyon Outfitters
Wallaston Lake Lodge
Tex Mex Outdoors
The Warmbag
Watson Air Lock
Watt’s Truck Center
Whitetail Adrenanline
Whitetail Bosses
Whitetail Freaks
Whitetail Heaven Outdoors
Whitewolfsurvivalsupply.com
Wired Outdoors
Woodcock Limited of Pennsylvania
X-Stand Treestands
Zink Calls
Zook Cabins

Speaker / Celebrites Pulled Out (32)
Abner Druckenmiller – Furtakers TV
Angie & Scott Denny – THE LIFE at Table Mountain
Blaine Anthony, The Bear Whisperer
Bob Folkrod
Bob Mercier
Brad Farris – Primos
Chris Brackett
Eddie Salter
Fred Eichler – Fulldraw Outfitters
Greg Zipadelli
Hal Shaffer
Jamie Gray
Jay Gregory
J Paul Jackson – Drakes Migration nation
Jim and Eva Shockey
Jimmy Primos – Primos
Kevin Knighton
Kyle Wieter
Larry Weishuhn
Lee & Tiffany Lakosky “The Crush“
Marc Anthony – Speaker / Pro Hunter
Matt Morett
Michael Lee
Michael Waddell
Mike Stroff – Savage Outdoors TV
Nicole Jones
Pat Reeves
Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo – Archers Choice
Stan Potts
Bone Collector
Tom Dokken
Trent Cole
Woody Sullivan

Other Boycott Supporters (39)
Advantage Taxidermy Studio Inc
American Tactical Imports
Anything About Guns
Backwoods Life
Bloodline With Alex Ruthledge
Bowfreakz.com
Bowhunting.com
Bowhunter Planet
Bowhunting Addiction TV
Broken Arrow Wilderness
Bowhunters TV
Chasing Trophy Whitetails
Citizens for a Responsibly Armed Society
Crossbow Nation
Dave’s House of Hair, Harrisburg PA
Dead Dog Walkin’ TV
Driven TV
Drop Zone TV
Eddie Salter
Family Traditions TV
Gene & Barry Wensel
Haley Heath
Hank Parker
Horton Crossbows
Hunt Wicked Close TV
Idaho Center of Emergency Medical Training
Mark & Beau Rodgers – Real Deal Outdoors
Mosquito Creek Outdoors, FL
NebraskaOutfitter.com
Needleman & Pisano
Off Grid Survival
OrgaPro Ltd.
Roger Raglin
Shelly & Tara Seiler – Working for Whitetails TV
Stanley Scruggs Hunting Products
The Banded Nation TV
The Best Of The West TV
The Fowl Life TV
The Kronik Hunter and staff
The Pennsylvania Crossbow Federation
The Resistence TV
Wyvern Creations

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 09:16 AM
It's all over pennlive.com (Patriot News online version). Story after story on it. And the reason why, too.

I've seen it on the local t.v.

I've seen it hit the AP out of Philly.

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 09:35 AM
Ed Fisher and I work at the same agency. He founded LEEK Hunting and Mountain Preserve (http://leekpreserve.org/), a Pennsylvania non-profit providing hunting, fishing & recreational experiences for disabled Veterans.

They set up a both at this show to raise money. None of the people running that organization get paid. All the money goes to the mission. Last year they took a quadriplegic female veteran hunting, when no one else would. She shot her first deer there.

Last year, LEEK Hunting and Mountain Preserve raised $5,000 in donations at the Eastern Sports and Outdoors Show.

That $5,000 paid for the nonprofit to bring six wounded veterans to its Potter County preserve.

I'm talking kids who lost their legs, lost their arms," said Ed Fisher, a LEEK co-founder. "We're a very unique organization that we can get these guys out in the field and show them they can still hunt

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/eastern_sports_and_outdoors_sh.html

Ed said Monday "If I could afford to pull out of the show I would, but I can't," Fisher said. "I'm a nonprofit and I don't have that kind of money."


I've had Ed out to my gun club to raise money. He's the salt of the earth, doing something very few people will do. I challenge all of us to give Ed the money we would have given his organization at the show so he can make that choice.

You can begin by giving him your door fee.

Donate here -

http://leekpreserve.org/donate/

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 10:24 AM
If the news gets this on their own the spin is going go be that the show was cancelled due to lack of interest and from people pulling thier stands.

While the news media is capable of fiction (some may wonder if they are cabable of the truth) they are almost always VERY slow. Right now the top story is the Cabela's pulled out. They are still behind. I expect that this is going to hit the news pretty good tomorrow or the next day.

I expect that they will catch up.

And the spin will be about how all of the "evil people are demanding assault weapons, cop and baby killing bullets and high capacity clips" as well as how the boycott hurts the little guy. Local restaurateurs will be interviewed about how they didn't get the influx of business.

bubbameat
January 23, 2013, 10:33 AM
So at this point, with that huge list in mind, what big names have not pulled out yet?

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 12:51 PM
Ed from LEEK Hunting and Mountain Preserve just announced he was withdrawing from the show. Message from 10 minutes ago -

Ken,

We have also decided to pull out of the show . . . Please disseminate as widely as possible. Thanks for your support.

Ole Humpback
January 23, 2013, 12:55 PM
Ken,

I'm not a huge fan of Paypal. Does Ed with LEEK have an address that we could send a Certified Cashiers Check or Money Order to? I'd hate to see a good cause like this go unfunded this year.

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 12:59 PM
Yes, I had a friend e-mail and ask. I just got it from Ed not 5 minutes ago to answer him.

Here you go:


Our business address is:
LEEK Hunting and Mountain Preserve
740 Ridge Road
Lewisberry, PA 17339


My thanks on his behalf for your support.

Ole Humpback
January 23, 2013, 01:01 PM
Thanks!

I start my new job next week, so by mid-February I'll have some cash in the bank to send his way.

DammitBoy
January 23, 2013, 01:27 PM
I challenge all of us to give Ed the money we would have given his organization at the show so he can make that choice.

You can begin by giving him your door fee.

Donate here -

http://leekpreserve.org/donate/

Done and done Sir. I had tears in my eyes as I read the stories on his page. I made a donation and then shared his facebook page with all of my veteran buddies.

Thank you for the opportunity to help such a great cause.

mgmorden
January 23, 2013, 01:44 PM
Savage just announced that they're pulling out too. From their Facebook page:

Many of you have asked if we still plan to attend the Harrisburg show. Even though Savage Arms does not manufacture or market any of the firearms that will be excluded, as a leader in the firearms industry and proud supporter of the Second Amendment, we cannot, in good conscience, support an outdoor show that does not allow all legal firearms. We have cancelled our plans to attend this show. For other opportunities to see savage products and staff in your region, please see our events calendar. Check back often. We continue to add events and they are scheduled. http://www.savagearms.com/news/events/

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 03:02 PM
class action suit?

http://mynortheastoutdoors.com/ticket-holders-wanting-refunds-please-look-here/

Russ Jackson
January 23, 2013, 04:00 PM
233 HAVE PULLED SO FAR ANOTHER 30 IN THE PAST TWO HOURS!
The list can be found here.
http://mynortheastoutdoors.com/esos-boycott-supporters/

Texshooter
January 23, 2013, 05:16 PM
Excellant ideas & news

hso
January 23, 2013, 05:25 PM
Outstanding!

I do like the advice to challenge the credit card charges for misrepresenting the product AND intentionally not providing a product that was advertised. That's a very clever approach.

I also like that for the exhibitors who paid a lot of money for their booths. That is a big expense that the organizers should not profit from. Those are often paid with credit cards as well and those should be challenged because the organizers changed the show after getting the contract on the booth space.

The craft folks should be pressuring REED because they had labor contracts for setup that now won't be honored and that's money out of their pockets.

The associated hotels and restaurants should be pressuring REED because those vendors typically stay as close to the venue as possible and they will be losing money they budgeted for because REED intentionally changed the show.

Further, the local and state politicians should be pressuring REED because of their decision that has caused all of this negative economic impact.

98Redline
January 23, 2013, 05:58 PM
Donated my ESOS door fee to LEEK.

Rembrandt
January 23, 2013, 06:48 PM
Something doesn't smell right.......REED can't be that tone deft to not see the financial repercussions this show and future shows will have. I suspect some very wealthy donor or Insurance company is underwriting the losses. Follow the money........

BCCL
January 23, 2013, 07:29 PM
Look at their website, they are sponsored by Progressive Insurance.

What gets me, is they are still listing as "exhibitors" on their website, several that have announced they are not going.

To me that's fraud.

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 07:30 PM
Thank you for the opportunity to help such a great cause.

I told Ed the same thing last year when he came out to my club as made his presentation. If you ever got to know him you'd find out it's all about these disabled vets for him.

We work at a DoD agency, so we interact with uniform military almost daily.

Thank you to all of you who are donating your door fees to his organization, LEEK.

It makes me feel good when I do it, just like it makes him feel good to offer them the experience. He gets more pleasure, because he's made it his life's calling.

Ole Humpback
January 23, 2013, 07:33 PM
What gets me, is they are still listing as "exhibitors" on their website, several that have announced they are not going.

To me that's fraud.


I wouldn't get too worked up over that. It takes a good bit of time to change something that simple on a website. My sisters husband did that kind of stuff all the time on the back end and it wouldn't be reflected on the front end until the server either did a backup or reset in the middle of the night.

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 07:36 PM
At some point they're going to have to do a press release and announce the situation. The bad PR of someone coming from several states away - which some do - to find out the show has been completely neutered will be horrible. No one complains as loudly and often as someone who got cheated on a deal.

Someone traveling several hundred miles to this is definitely going to feel that way when they get here and find out the people they came to see cancelled 2 weeks ago and they said nothing to the public.

Ole Humpback
January 23, 2013, 09:42 PM
Ahh, I thought he was talking about the websites of the people who announced that they weren't going (NWTF, RMEF, ect.), not the website for the event itself.

Btw, what is the door fee? I had no clue about this event until I got that email from the NWTF.

lobo9er
January 23, 2013, 10:38 PM
bullfrogken I was thinking same thing no mention of anything on their website. would seem important to tell people a large amount of the vendors, the reason to go, aren't coming.

mgmorden
January 23, 2013, 11:29 PM
I wouldn't get too worked up over that. It takes a good bit of time to change something that simple on a website. My sisters husband did that kind of stuff all the time on the back end and it wouldn't be reflected on the front end until the server either did a backup or reset in the middle of the night.

He had a poor setup then. As someone who does this type of work you should be able to make instant changes (we certainly can - if we had to wait overnight for our site to update IT's collective heads would be on a platter :)).

That said, I also wouldn't worry. If a company voiced their intent to attend, and then cancelled, you can't really call lazy website updates fraud.

Davek1977
January 24, 2013, 03:51 AM
Has REED come out with any sort of statement regarding the boycott? Or are they still scrambling , trying to save what little is left of their show? How can they remain silent in the face of so much pressure?

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 05:51 AM
It won't matter what statement they make in the end -- if there were 1,200 vendors and let's say 300 end up pulling out, every 4th booth visitors walk by will be empty. That's going to make quite an impression!

rjrivero
January 24, 2013, 05:53 AM
Couldn't they just rope off 1/4th of the venue behind big "Wizard of Oz" curtains?

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 07:40 AM
I really don't know how much flexibility they have with reassigning spots at this point, but the show sprawls through 4-5 huge attached buildings, so if they herd everyone into just 3-4 of them then yest they could occlude how vacant the place is.

But anyone who'd attended the show in years past would pretty quickly catch on that it was much smaller than previously.

But they also probably are contractually bound to hold those spaces open for anyone who's paid for a spot, until and unless that vendor gives some official notice, specifically to the show promoter, releasing their claim on the spot they paid for.

dab102999
January 24, 2013, 08:00 AM
The other thing to remember it isnt just like every other spot is open. Some of these vendors ( many of them) take up multiple spots if not areas. It will be hard to hide those empty spaces. Expessially if they dont release them because spot like cabelas are in high profile areas also.

98Redline
January 24, 2013, 08:09 AM
I really don't think Reed Expo gives a flying "F" that people are pulling out left and right.

My expectation is that this show will end up being a colossal failure (the worlds largest decal and beef jerky show) and we will not see Reed host it again in 2014. What we need is a truly 2A friendly group to pick up the ball and run with it.

jaguarxk120
January 24, 2013, 08:18 AM
Reed does show all over the world, now is the time for others to support the US gun owners by boycotting their shows.

The only way to show these people they have done something wrong is to hit them in their pocket book.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 09:57 AM
now is the time for others to support the US gun owners by boycotting their shows.

I don't see this as being the correct action.

It would be calling for a boycott of the SHOT show.

Buckeye Dan
January 24, 2013, 10:40 AM
So far the tally is...

http://mynortheastoutdoors.com/esos-boycott-supporters/
Vendors Pulled Out (307)
Speaker / Celebrites Pulled Out (44)
Other Boycott Supporters (66)

It's still climbing and the FB boycott page is over 18k likes now.

Buckeye Dan
January 24, 2013, 10:56 AM
UPDATE!

The show is canceled/postponed.



Reed Exhibitions has decided to postpone, for now, the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show given the controversy surrounding its decision to limit the sale or display of modern sporting rifles (also called ARs) at the event. The show was scheduled to take place February 2-10 in Harrisburg, PA.

“Our original decision not to include certain products in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show this year was made in order to preserve the event’s historical focus on the hunting and fishing traditions enjoyed by American families,” said Chet Burchett, Reed Exhibitions President for the Americas. “In the current climate, we felt that the presence of MSRs would distract from the theme of hunting and fishing, disrupting the broader experience of our guests. This was intended simply as a product decision, of the type event organizers need to make every day.



“It has become very clear to us after speaking with our customers that the event could not be held because the atmosphere of this year’s show would not be conducive to an event that is designed to provide family enjoyment. It is unfortunate that in the current emotionally charged atmosphere this celebratory event has become overshadowed by a decision that directly affected a small percentage of more than 1,000 exhibits showcasing products and services for those interested in hunting and fishing.

“ESS has long been proud to participate in the preservation and promotion of hunting and fishing traditions, and we hope that as the national debate clarifies, we will have an opportunity to consider rescheduling the event when the time is right to focus on the themes it celebrates.”

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 11:05 AM
Incredible! Now THAT will spread the word even farther! Wonder if it will make national news now?

GT1
January 24, 2013, 11:09 AM
Cancelled...

It is a net loss for us. The antis want 'gun' shows cancelled, we wanted them to not ban ARs(modern sporting rifles).

Don't be surprised if the antis wave a victory flag in support of it being shut down.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 11:12 AM
that was about the best outcome we could hope for

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 11:14 AM
It is a net loss for us.

Don't be surprised if the antis wave a victory flag in support of it being shut down.

ESOS are antis

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 11:18 AM
It is a net loss for us.Not a bit of it!

As I explained in Post 53 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=8676578&postcount=53), this is a huge WIN. The GUN shows will go on, right in that building, but this one promoter who decided to play to the "divide and conquer" mindset will lose their butts for that decision.

I imagine some "anti" somewhere will cheer, but if they try and explain anything about WHY it was cancelled, they'll run right into the fact that it was a grass-roots movement of gun owners willing to make a tough call just to show solidarity.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 11:22 AM
sadly it was not the gun people, it was the gun industry.

I don't think we are that organized :(

Buckeye Dan
January 24, 2013, 11:24 AM
Sam1911 I have to agree. This wasn't a gun show anyway. Reed's attempt to separate us on the black rifle issue failed and it failed miserably without violence.

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 11:28 AM
sadly it was not the gun people, it was the gun industry.I don't think we are that organized

Au contraire! Take a look at the FB stuff going on. The REASON the industry pulled out was the massive influx of notes and calls from the gun PEOPLE who got organized via FaceBook and forums.

It took days after the first calls for boycott for the major players to start to drop out, and about a full WEEK of calls to the NRA to get them to change their position.

But make no mistake. It was WE THE PEOPLE that did this. Industry just becomes a bigger hammer in our hands.

Buckeye Dan
January 24, 2013, 11:31 AM
sadly it was not the gun people, it was the gun industry.

I don't think we are that organized

The gun industry did not make up my mind to not attend the show. The show is 6 hours away for me by car. And yes I normally attend. So do friends and family. We all abandoned the show because of Reed's position and not because the exhibitors were hemorrhaging from the show.

Woogeroo
January 24, 2013, 11:41 AM
If they do not stand with us, they do not deserve our support.

Nice work folks.

-W

Buckeye Dan
January 24, 2013, 11:45 AM
Reed's actions may have cost them future SHOT shows too.

NSSF Statement on the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show

We have just learned that Reed Exhibitions has decided to postpone the 2013 Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show.

In the days following Reed Exhibitions’ announcement that modern sporting rifles would be prohibited from the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show, the leadership of the National Shooting Sports Foundation

(NSSF) has been in intense, frank discussions with Reed Exhibitions management
in an effort to reverse this unacceptable decision. These discussions reached an impasse.

NSSF is in no way affiliated with, nor does it participate in or exhibit at this show in any way. Reed Exhibitions does, however, manage the NSSF-owned SHOT Show (though Reed manages the SHOT Show, all SHOT Show decisions, policies and actions are made at NSSF’s direction).

Because of Reed’s recent actions, NSSF is considering all options regarding the management of future SHOT Shows.

dab102999
January 24, 2013, 11:52 AM
I guess this is a start to national news...


http://www.whptv.com/content/BreakingNews/story/Eastern-Sports-and-Outdoor-Show-postponed/60MGDbJFv0yC85McdbhBSw.cspx

22-rimfire
January 24, 2013, 12:01 PM
It is good news. Postponement is cancellation until "next year". There is no way this thing gets organized again this year by Reed Exhibitions. But it is terrible that this whole thing even happened at all.

John828
January 24, 2013, 12:01 PM
Just saw the news and was real proud to hear NSSF's decision.

DammitBoy
January 24, 2013, 12:06 PM
Au contraire! Take a look at the FB stuff going on. The REASON the industry pulled out was the massive influx of notes and calls from the gun PEOPLE who got organized via FaceBook and forums.



If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times - Facebook is an excellent way for the gun community to organize and to actively recruit more people to join the cause.

Use your Facebook page to promote responsible gun ownership, to meet other gun owners, to organize the gun community, to recruit fence sitters, to support pro-gun sites and pro-gun companies.

I also belong to three trade/sell/buy Facebook sporting/gun Facebook pages where we use facebook to meet and trade with gun owners in my area.

dbp
January 24, 2013, 12:13 PM
I guess this is a start to national news...


http://www.whptv.com/content/BreakingNews/story/Eastern-Sports-and-Outdoor-Show-postponed/60MGDbJFv0yC85McdbhBSw.cspx
In the comments section of this article:

suekay - 11:18 AM
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It is sad that some people cannot see beyond the next week. Common Sense has to be brought back into our country, I strongly believe in the 2nd amendment, My entire family hunts and has firearms, my Dads gun rack is full , however my common sense tells me that Assault weapons belong in the hands of our Military and our police officers not in our bedroom closets. They are not trying to take away your right to bear arms that is foolish, and who is coming after you that you need to protect yourself with Assault Weapons, are we being invaded? What hunting season allows you to use an Assault weapon. There was a ban on these weapons before , Did anyone break our doors down to take away all our weapons , NO!!! Common Sense It has to begin somewhere! Kudos to the Sportsman show for taking a stand against assault weapons not the 2nd Amendment, I wish you were still having it so all of us who have common sense would be able to show our support and attend !


Don't assume that all gun owners are our friends. This is also the spin the mainstream media will put on this decision.

But, this is truly a huge victory for 2nd Amendment rights!

BullfrogKen
January 24, 2013, 12:14 PM
Incredible. Simply incredible.

sadly it was not the gun people, it was the gun industry.

I don't think we are that organized

You must be living under a rock to see what happened and suggest that we aren't organized.

This wasn't the gun industry that did this. This was a global industry exhibition company who tried to enforce this on the gun industry. And we told them Hell no. Quite successfully.

gfanikf
January 24, 2013, 12:29 PM
I now think Vendors should work on an alternate show, to show that they care about the people who will have to suffer due to staff support being canceled, rooms being canceled, we have to show we care about the 2nd Amendment and our fellow Americans with equal zeal.

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 12:44 PM
But it is terrible that this whole thing even happened at all.

It may seem like it right this minute, but it actually ISN'T a terrible thing to happen. As I said before...Actually, as with Mr. Zumbo a few years back, I'm seeing this as a real positive event for RKBA. Yes, the assault or betrayal hurts. But the public show of force, of a real community of 2nd Amendment supporters and activists coming together -- getting off their butts (um...maybe staying ON their butts?) -- together is noticed by a national audience. And the fact that it WORKING proves that this isn't a few disgruntled cranks sitting on their sofas grumbling about the gub'mint, but a serious and cohesive grass roots movement. That sends a message to a lot of folks. They may not like that message, but when this sort of thing hits the national stage (like when multiple national companies take notice and lend their voices), other gun owners notice (and think about their own stance on such issues and start asking what their gun owning pals believe), other venues and promoters notice (and take notes on what NOT to ever do), other public figures notice (and choose to come out with a strong pro-2nd Amendment stance they'll not readily back away from), and politicians notice what all those dedicated voters just did.

That's a net positive, right there.

Getting punched hurts. Getting back up, flattening your opponent and coming out on top makes you look even stronger than if you'd never been attacked.

It is often a very good thing to get a little pushed around -- so long as your response is forceful, cohesive, and decisive. And ours WAS!

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 12:56 PM
You must be living under a rock to see what happened and suggest that we aren't organized

Guess I am living under a rock

15000 likes on the "FB Boycott" site seemed pretty small.

It appears that the VENDORS pulling out were the reason that they folded their tent. It is wishful thinking that we made all those vendors pull out.

The reason for this is pretty simple. Gun folks tend to be conservative and conservatives, by nature, are largely unwilling to mess with others. Live and let live tends to be their credo.

Example:
liberals don't like Rush, they try to get him taken off the air
Conservatives don't like Air America, they don't listen.

BullfrogKen
January 24, 2013, 01:02 PM
Well if you think that's what happened I guess you just don't get it then.


From Trop's Gun Shop's Facebook post:

We have become aware that Reed Exhibitions has "postponed" the ES&OS. It is very sad that a show that has been part of the tradition of the outdoor sports for 58 years has been destroyed based on misguided, uninformed and poorly-considered decisions of Reed Exhibitions.

We are proud to have been a part of the rally of Patriots who have coalesced to defend the Second Ammendment. A boycott such as this one could not have been coordinated - it can only come as a result of the grassroots efforts of thousands of individuals.

We sincerely hope that the nation takes notice that we are a unified group; that we are tired of being vilified for the inexcusable behaviors of a few and that we will fight tirelessly to support our Second Ammendment rights.

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 01:12 PM
" A boycott such as this one could not have been coordinated - it can only come as a result of the grassroots efforts of thousands of individuals. "

And note, that's saying as well, that this isn't thanks to all the hard work of a few Industry partners, either.

Just take a look at how this played out. The industry members didn't start to drop out until some critical mass of average joes managed to bring the message to them that they wanted the companies they patronize to join THEM in this fight.

Gotta look and see who's leading the charge (the PEOPLE), not who's dragged along by the wave (Ruger, S&W, T/C, NWTF, NRA, etc., etc.)

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 01:14 PM
if you think that's what happened I guess you just don't get it then

one of us doesn't

I hope that you are right.

mbogo
January 24, 2013, 01:30 PM
The show's been 'postponed'.

See eastern-sports-and-outdoor-show-delayed (http://www.yorkdispatch.com/ci_22437252/eastern-sports-and-outdoor-show-delayed)

"Reed Exhibitions has decided to postpone, for now, the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show given the controversy surrounding its decision to limit the sale or display of modern sporting rifles (also called ARs) at the event. The show was scheduled to take place February 2-10 in Harrisburg, PA.

"Our original decision not to include certain products in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show this year was made in order to preserve the event's historical focus on the hunting and fishing traditions enjoyed by American families," said Chet Burchett, Reed Exhibitions President for the Americas. "In the current climate, we felt that the presence of MSRs would distract from the theme of hunting and fishing, disrupting the broader experience of our guests. This was intended simply as a product decision, of the type event organizers need to make every day.

"It has become very clear to us after speaking with our customers that the event could not be held because the atmosphere of this year's show would not be conducive to an event that is designed to provide family enjoyment. It is unfortunate that in the current emotionally charged atmosphere this celebratory event has become overshadowed by a decision that directly affected a small percentage of more than 1,000 exhibits showcasing products and services for those interested in hunting and fishing.

"ESS has long been proud to participate in the preservation and promotion of hunting and fishing traditions, and we hope that as the national debate clarifies, we will have an opportunity to consider rescheduling the event when the time is right to focus on the themes it celebrates." "

Sam1911
January 24, 2013, 02:01 PM
The show's been 'postponed'.In this case, its the same thing. They can't "postpone" it for a week or two, or a month or two. There's no way the logistics could be worked out to do that and the facility won't be available for a simple rescheduling.

They're postponing it...until next year! That is, if they are still even involved in gun and/or hunting shows after this. Them losing the SHOT show too would be quite a kick in the butt.

Buckeye Dan
January 24, 2013, 02:47 PM
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/50576292/#50576292

MSNBC Is blaming the postponement of this show on the controversy surrounding Feinstein's AWB bill. Absolutely despicable.

lobo9er
January 24, 2013, 03:01 PM
other news outlets I heard blamed NRA for organizing boycotts. Its whatever we all organized the boycott. And in my opinion it hit reeds right where it hurts, the wallet. That should be where alot of our boycotts should be aimed. Right for anti's wallet. voting with our dollar and feet is more effective than the ballot box at times.

HOOfan_1
January 24, 2013, 03:22 PM
"Our original decision not to include certain products in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show this year was made in order to preserve the event's historical focus on the hunting and fishing traditions enjoyed by American families,"

Hey then make it the atlatl and driving game off a cliff only show if you don't consider advancements in hunting to be relevant...

This was intended simply as a product decision, of the type event organizers need to make every day.

This wasn't an everyday decision, you decided that some hunting guns were not allowed at your hunting expo....screw you...

"It has become very clear to us after speaking with our customers that the event could not be held because the atmosphere of this year's show would not be conducive to an event that is designed to provide family enjoyment.

Your customers would have gone and enjoyed themselves, if you didn't decide to turn a certain segment of hunters and outdoorsmen in to pariahs....

It is unfortunate that in the current emotionally charged atmosphere this celebratory event has become overshadowed by a decision that directly affected a small percentage of more than 1,000 exhibits showcasing products and services for those interested in hunting and fishing.


The emotionally charged atmosphere didn't overshadow anything...you yourselves chose to submarine your own show

Congratulations for being idiots.

gfanikf
January 24, 2013, 03:33 PM
The show's been 'postponed'.

See eastern-sports-and-outdoor-show-delayed (http://www.yorkdispatch.com/ci_22437252/eastern-sports-and-outdoor-show-delayed)

"Reed Exhibitions has decided to postpone, for now, the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show given the controversy surrounding its decision to limit the sale or display of modern sporting rifles (also called ARs) at the event. The show was scheduled to take place February 2-10 in Harrisburg, PA.

"Our original decision not to include certain products in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show this year was made in order to preserve the event's historical focus on the hunting and fishing traditions enjoyed by American families," said Chet Burchett, Reed Exhibitions President for the Americas. "In the current climate, we felt that the presence of MSRs would distract from the theme of hunting and fishing, disrupting the broader experience of our guests. This was intended simply as a product decision, of the type event organizers need to make every day.

"It has become very clear to us after speaking with our customers that the event could not be held because the atmosphere of this year's show would not be conducive to an event that is designed to provide family enjoyment. It is unfortunate that in the current emotionally charged atmosphere this celebratory event has become overshadowed by a decision that directly affected a small percentage of more than 1,000 exhibits showcasing products and services for those interested in hunting and fishing.

"ESS has long been proud to participate in the preservation and promotion of hunting and fishing traditions, and we hope that as the national debate clarifies, we will have an opportunity to consider rescheduling the event when the time is right to focus on the themes it celebrates." "
I wonder if the only reason they thought they could swing this is that you can't (sadly) use an MSR in PA...hey we rock in almost every other way.

HOOfan_1
January 24, 2013, 03:33 PM
I strongly believe in the 2nd amendment, My entire family hunts and has firearms, my Dads gun rack is full , however my common sense tells me that Assault weapons belong in the hands of our Military and our police officers not in our bedroom closets. They are not trying to take away your right to bear arms that is foolish, and who is coming after you that you need to protect yourself with Assault Weapons, are we being invaded

too bad this person obviously doesn't read this board to see my reply

Ah...the willfully ignorant and willfully naive.

You don't support the second amendment if you don't thing that the people should be armed as well as the military.....so please don't pretend that you do. Also please don't pretend to have common sense, you clearly do not

Heck, the second amendment as originally drafted stated that standing militaries were to be avoided at all cost.


Are we being invaded? Our own government is right here, we don't need to be invaded.


The stupidity of people who think that the world we live in now will be the world that future generations live in.....

Did the Jews forsee the Nazis coming to power in the late 1890s?
Did the Soviets forsee that the Russian Revolution would lead to severe government opression?
Did the Kuwaitis forsee the Iraqi invasion?

The second amendment is to ensure a future of liberty. Liberty today is fleeting and is secured by the second amendment.

The people whining about "what do we need assault weapons for" are the same idiots crying about genocide and government opression in other countries.

WAKE THE HECK UP!!!!

2zulu1
January 24, 2013, 03:35 PM
Came across this link at the NRA-ILA website;

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/bill-clinton-to-democrats-dont-trivialize-gun-culture-86443.html

Bill Clinton states that a number of politicians will lose their seat in Congress in the next mid term elections if they support the President's gun control proposals.

Reed Exhibitors lost the Eastern show, and probably the SHOT show, by underestimating the passion of 2A supporters.

Now would be a good time to correspond with our politicians and remind them of Bill Clinton's speech and the consequences suffered by Reeds. :)

BullfrogKen
January 24, 2013, 05:07 PM
one of us doesn't

I hope that you are right.

Well Jesus had Thomas, too.


This is the most incredible grass-roots response I've seen from gun owners in my lifetime.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 05:11 PM
This is the most incredible grass-roots response I've seen from gun owners in my lifetime

I would love for you to be right.

Where did you observe this response?

BullfrogKen
January 24, 2013, 05:19 PM
Right here, for starters.


All over the internet. I live 20 minutes from Harrisburg. The local AM radio station and their callers have discussed this non-stop for a week. 3 hours of a show, and the only breaks from this discussion on Monday was for commercials and traffic updates. Caller, after caller, after caller voiced their displeasure over this.

These businesses did not voluntarily forego the revenue this show produces because someone at Cabela's or somewhere else said, "let's take a stand".

They did it because we all called and e-mailed them and told them if this is their policy, we ain't comin'. And if you support the rights of the people who patronize your company, neither should you.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 05:44 PM
I was not impressed with the response here.

We had the same folks talking about it (mostly)

As to the net, it was difficult to get any news. The one place had a running list of vendors.

Obviously I do not listen to Pennsylvania talk radio since I live 1200 miles away.

The vendors stepped right up. It appeared that Cabela's led the charge.

lobo9er
January 24, 2013, 05:52 PM
yep heard they may lose SHOT also. hope they do they can do their biz in the UK.

BullfrogKen
January 24, 2013, 05:53 PM
The thing about a belief is one can chose what he wants to believe, despite the presence or absence of evidence.

So you can chose to believe what you want, and nothing anyone says can change it.

creitzel
January 24, 2013, 05:55 PM
I was not impressed with the response here.

I've got to agree with Ken on this one Guillermo, It was great to see folks getting organized, and it really impressed me with how fast it all went down.

Maybe you just aren't seeing it, because there are a lot of folks like me on our forums. I post very infrequently here, mainly because I only post when I feel I can contribute some information to the thread, and most times, whatever I was thinking about posting had already been posted by someone else.

That said, I'm an avid reader of these forums, and I take action on things like this all the time. I wrote several of the vendors about this, and I live in Michigan, and wasn't even planning on attending this show. The vendors that I wrote do business here in Michigan too though, and I would gladly boycott them, if they don't fully support the 2nd Amendment.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 08:56 PM
Ken,

Don't take it personally.

Fb response was lame. Here we had 100 posts in what? 3 days?

Admittedly I don't hang around other boards.

I hope that you are right. It would be wonderful if this is the springboard to greater victories.

We are on the same side.

Bighouse Doc
January 24, 2013, 10:41 PM
Zumbo'd big time!

-Doc

bantam9
January 24, 2013, 10:42 PM
Was thrilled to see the postponement/cancellation. Feel bad for vendors who may be out $$ through fees or lost buissness. Personally, I will look to those who took a stand to cancel the show to do buissness with.
A stand had to be made. Kudos to all.
I live in SouthCentralPA, 45 min from Harrisburg. Normally I'd want to do the show. No way this year, or any year Reed Exhibitors are involved.

BullfrogKen
January 24, 2013, 11:46 PM
Here is a very positive Harrisburg area news clip on the cancellation. Just aired tonight. It also speaks to the economic loss for our area. I think they did a great job illustrating how it was Reed's stubborn obstinance that caused this.



http://fox43.com/2013/01/24/businesses-brace-for-economic-hit-after-sporting-show-postponed/#axzz2IxRsbDx2

Joe Staudt is a retired Marine SgtMajor. He spoke at the local Marine Corps Ball this November. He's a hell of a guy!

BullfrogKen
January 24, 2013, 11:55 PM
The Blaze picked up the story this evening:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/24/nations-biggest-sports-and-outdoor-show-postponed-indefinitely-following-massive-boycott-over-new-policy-banning-semi-automatic-rifles/

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 12:13 AM
Another local impact story -

http://www.abc27.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8201968#.UP9azi_AzpA.facebook

You should see three stories there.

The Department of Agriculture is looking into all legal and fiscal ramifications . . .

Statement from the Governor on one of those three stories as well.

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 12:27 AM
Another positive local story -

http://www.abc27.com/video?clipId=8213620&autostart=true

Guillermo
January 25, 2013, 12:52 AM
the positive stories are outstanding

mgmorden
January 25, 2013, 12:54 AM
15000 likes on the "FB Boycott" site seemed pretty small.


The Brady Campaign's page has only garnered ~55,000 likes since it was established over 5 YEARS ago (November 2007). This Facebook boycott has gotten 19,000 (its went up since your post) in 10 days. This is no small feat.

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 01:23 AM
the positive stories are outstanding

Yes, they are.

And Thomas, my son, you'll notice all the vendors interviewed spoke about the contacts they received from the individual attendees. There were many vendors who were either:

prompted by us to do this,
or even though they knew it was the right decision to make, faced a hard decision and were motivated and strengthened by all of us to make it.


We had to drag the NRA by its heels to boycott with everyone else. By the time Cabela's - the major sponsor with more money invested than anyone else - made their decision, the NRA was still committed to "working with the promoter".

Now the NRA is being credited with bringing this boycott to fruition among the ignorant in the MSM, and they happily take the credit for it now that it's gone our way. But we all know the truth.

We did this.

Us.

Everyday Joe's who were going to attend this show saw what went down. We expressed our outrage and called for a boycott. We caused this.

Every single one of you who feels defeated, and alone, and hopeless because Diane Feinstein introduced her 20 year old pet project and lifelong dream of a gun control bill today should sit up straight and take notice at what we just accomplished.


The next step?

PA residents - tell our Republican Governor and newly elected Democrat Attorney General to fully investigate this. Reed Exhibitions aggressively advertised an expanded "Tactical Alley" this year to showcase the very firearms they said two weeks before the show are unwelcome. This very promoter was happy to see them showcased at the SHOT show the very week they made this announcement. Encourage our state in it's efforts to seek recovery for the economic loss to our local economy and the vendors who attend this show.

Non-PA Residents - tell our Republican Governor and newly elected Democrat Attorney General to fully investigate this. You were going to come, and tell them you travelled into our state for this show and what you spend in my state when you came in years past. Tell the truth. Give them real numbers and human interest stories so they can substantiate what our state's loss is.


Everyone else - When you tell elected officials to oppose Diane Feinstein's bill, and your Senator or Representative tells you he supports the rights of hunter's and sportsmen but . . . <insert reason for more gun control>.

You point out what happened here. Show how hunters and sportsmen no longer differentiate themselves as separate and distinct from the entirety of the gun owning citizenry, and this is the evidence of that.

Prophet
January 25, 2013, 02:33 AM
We did this.

Us.

Wow. I've been involved in other activism for the past few hrs. but just saw this on the news. I couldn't be prouder as a Pennsylvanian citizen. This should make it apparent that the line between the so-called "Fudds" they tried to exploit in congress today and firearm enthusiasts such as ourselves is blurring. So much for that bargaining chip.

I don't know about anyone else, but as a PA resident this gives me the courage not only to keep up the fight, but to fight even harder.

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times - Facebook is an excellent way for the gun community to organize and to actively recruit more people to join the cause.

Use your Facebook page to promote responsible gun ownership, to meet other gun owners, to organize the gun community, to recruit fence sitters, to support pro-gun sites and pro-gun companies.

I also belong to three trade/sell/buy Facebook sporting/gun Facebook pages where we use facebook to meet and trade with gun owners in my area.

^^Speaking of that "other activism" I was involved in...

Like it or not, social media is a powerful tool and the future of activism. It wouldn't be banned in certain countries if it were not so. By not getting involved and learning how to appeal to the facebook generation you are not only neglecting an outlet through which you may effectively exercise your 1A rights, but you are also neglecting the most important demographic of our citizenry; our youth. If you have the youth, you have the future. So if you really want to fight for your children's rights to own firearms, help them out a little and learn how to appeal to their peers (and their parents) through social media. If you don't want to use your real info to sign up then use an alias. If you don't want to become friends with people in your social community (why you wouldn't want to reach the people in your own community I have no idea) then use the alias account to post on sites like MSNBC, ABC, CNN or whatever other outlets come to mind. Help pro-2A groups strengthen their online presence by becoming a fan of the NRA, GOA, SAF, The 2a Movement, etc. It's not like you have to feel trapped into using FB or Twitter for anything else.

I learned a lot of what I know about 2A right here on THR. The resources and discussions to be found here are relatively scarce particularly within the realms of social media. With everything that's been going on lately social media outlets ought to be flooded with the basic arguments against GC that this forum's membership generally stands behind, but instead it is currently being flooded by the MSM and the youth of this nation are sponging it up. Why? Because the other side is ahead of the propaganda curve, leaving many of us behind to gag on our own little dustcloud that we've kicked up by running in circles around ourselves.

We can do this, guys.

Hacker15E
January 25, 2013, 06:09 AM
Now the NRA is being credited with bringing this boycott to fruition among the ignorant in the MSM,

The MSM hangs anything RKBA related, better or worse, on the NRA.

They don't seem to believe that there are actually American citizens that believe in any of that silly pro gun stuff...its all just some high-paid gun manufacturers' lobby that is responsible for it.

Guillermo
January 25, 2013, 08:45 AM
Ok Ken,

You apparently saw interviews with the vendors. (I looked but did not find such coverage. In fact I found very little information on it outside of the Pennsylvania sources).

That you seem so convinced I will trust you. It is very nice that all the stuff I did was not "going through the motions".

(still irritating that The Blaze never picked it up. And Drudge didn't report anything till the beast was dead)

BTW, since I am apparently to be renamed, instead of an apostle, please consider a Missouri reference instead.

Sam1911
January 25, 2013, 08:57 AM
The vendors stepped right up. It appeared that Cabela's led the charge.That took a lot of prompting in itself. It was several days after I sent notes to Cabelas (and I was far from the first to do so) before they made their decision. None of the vendor jumped until there was a strong push from the regular folks.

22-rimfire
January 25, 2013, 09:54 AM
I do think the State of PA should investigate the whole affair from start to finish and hopefully prosecute REED for damages and lost revenue. Better yet, they could distribute some of the proceeds to the vendors as compensation if they win. I suspect this would put REED out of business because we are talking millions of dollars in damages.

It is entirely possible that some of the vendors may initiate individual lawsuits against Reed.

Guillermo
January 25, 2013, 09:57 AM
I do think the State of PA should investigate the whole affair from start to finish and hopefully prosecute REED for damages and lost revenue.

on what basis would the state have the authority to investigate...let along prosecute?

there was nothing illegal going on and "lost revenue"? Huh?

jad0110
January 25, 2013, 10:31 AM
The Brady Campaign's page has only garnered ~55,000 likes since it was established over 5 YEARS ago (November 2007). This Facebook boycott has gotten 19,000 (its went up since your post) in 10 days. This is no small feat.

And that's 19,000 with MANY of us completely unplugged from the outside world after the election results. I know, because I am one of them, just now getting back into the swing of things. I didn't know about the Eastern Outdoors Show until an hour ago ... I know, shame on me.

Strange Bob
January 25, 2013, 11:31 AM
I guess my question who has contacted the NSSF about them using REED as the organizer of the SHOT Show?

I did in an email voicing my displeasure with them using a company that was not pro 2A and not American!:fire::mad:

Guillermo
January 25, 2013, 11:43 AM
I sent them an email as well but was merely questioning. After all, Reed only recently (to my knowledge) showed any anti-gun proclivity.

Here is my email to NSSF.



To Whom it May Concern,

Surely you have followed the saga of the Eastern Outdoors Show and the repugnant manner in which Reed Promotions handled the event.

The amazing response from the public and vendors should make any organization question their association with Reed.

Does the NSSF have any intention of using Reed for the next SHOT show?

Thank you

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 02:28 PM
Guillermo, The NSSF made a statement already. From my local newspaper -

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/eastern_sports_and_outdoor_sho_2.html

The National Shooting Sports Foundation, a firearms trade association based in Newtown, Conn., has already issued a statement on the postponement:

"In the days following Reed Exhibitions' announcement that modern sporting rifles would be prohibited from the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show, the leadership of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) has been in intense, frank discussions with Reed Exhibitions management in an effort to reverse this unacceptable decision. These discussions reached an impasse.

"NSSF is in no way affiliated with, nor does it participate in or exhibit at this show in any way. "

The foundation owns SHOT Show, an annual firearm show that Reed managed earlier this month in Las Vegas. Because of its policy at the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show, the NSSF said it is "considering all options regarding the management of future SHOT Shows."

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 03:09 PM
You apparently saw interviews with the vendors. (I looked but did not find such coverage. In fact I found very little information on it outside of the Pennsylvania sources).

still irritating that The Blaze never picked it up


Did you even look at the links I posted last night? I'll make it easy for you to find - go back a page and look at the bottom.

There's a link to a story on The Blaze there.

Those three local news story links have about half a dozen different local tv news spots. I think each one has an interview with a Pennsylvania vendor that was coming to the show.


Are you intentionally trying to be pigheaded about this issue? Because at this point continuing to tell people who worked hard to accomplish this that our efforts weren't really instrumental is demeaning and insulting.

Guillermo
January 25, 2013, 03:28 PM
Ken,

In post 155 I stated the following (emphasis added)

That you seem so convinced I will trust you. It is very nice that all the stuff I did was not "going through the motions".

You convinced me.

Now go <insult removed>

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 05:56 PM
Top story on local ABC news station.

Some angered by Outdoor Show decision (http://www.abc27.com/video?clipId=8234828&autostart=true)

This is the tension we're feeling in the air right now.


It also illustrates how entrenched both sides are.

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 06:20 PM
Two vendor interviews -

http://www.abc27.com/story/20705405/some-vendors-surprised-by-postponement-of-outdoor-show

Atlantic Tactical is a big police and firefighter supplier. You can see - if you watch closely - the racks of uniforms in the video done inside the store. This was one of the very businesses the expanded "tactical alley" was trying to attract. They're located about 10 minutes from my house.

lobo9er
January 25, 2013, 11:43 PM
the lady in the 1st video, the anti lady, "guns are really bad" all anti's have is emotions

Pilot
January 26, 2013, 07:32 AM
the lady in the 1st video, the anti lady, "guns are really bad" all anti's have is emotions

That is true. It is people like that have been indoctrinated and brainwashed that we are up against. They "know" guns are bad, but they really can't tell us why. They often say that it is because guns kill. They don't say "cars are bad" yet more people die in auto accidents every year. So, I guess cars kill too, but they're OK?

HOOfan_1
January 26, 2013, 08:21 AM
the lady in the 1st video, the anti lady, "guns are really bad" all anti's have is emotions

ignorant people are dangerous...ban ignorance.

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