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kestak
January 15, 2013, 08:40 PM
With the NY new laws, what is happening to everyone who has a M1 Garand?
It can hold 8 rounds in its magazine.

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F-111 John
January 15, 2013, 08:54 PM
From what I understand, currently possessed magazines between 8-10 rounds can continue to be possessed, but must only be loaded with 7 rounds.

Now argue that an en bloc clip isn't a magazine...

Captains1911
January 15, 2013, 09:05 PM
Is that true regarding loading 10rd mags with 7, or only temporarily? As for the Garand....who the hell knows

Evergreen
January 15, 2013, 09:14 PM
From what I understand, currently possessed magazines between 8-10 rounds can continue to be possessed, but must only be loaded with 7 rounds.

Now argue that an en bloc clip isn't a magazine...

Not from what I am reading! The new law states that all magazines over 7 rounds will be illegal and must be sold within one year. I have not yet read any clause saying that you can keep them. They have effectively banned any possession of magazines, whether they are pre-ban or not.

Jim K
January 15, 2013, 10:36 PM
The M1 rifle has long been a target of the anti-gun gang. They just couldn't quite figure out how to word the ban and how to ban a gun the U.S. government was selling. I expect the Obama administration to shut down the CMP as soon as they get their other gun ban measures passed.

Federal and state gun "control" leaders recognize an opportunity to destroy the Second Amendment for all time and they are going to try very hard to do that. And they have no intention of settling for just a renewal of the expired AWB - they will try to ban as many guns as possible (like pump shotguns and rifles) by calling them assault weapons.

Jim

Prince Yamato
January 15, 2013, 11:08 PM
There is an exemption for curios (rifles and pistols over 50 years old).

F-111 John
January 16, 2013, 07:15 AM
Here's an excerpt from the text of the NY bill that was posted by Moderator Jorg here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=8654631&postcount=33):

"Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition, or (b) contains more than seven rounds of ammunition, or (c) is obtained after the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which amended this subdivision and has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than seven rounds of ammunition

Current 10 round magazines are grandfathered, but you are on Scout's Honor not to put more than 7 rounds in them. (Remember that NY already had a 10 round limit on magazines prior to this law.)

New magazines must be no more than 7 rounds capacity.

Evergreen
January 16, 2013, 07:41 AM
New Yorkers who own one of the now-banned weapons can either sell them outside the state or keep them. But if they keep the arms, they have up to a year to register them in a statewide firearms database being created.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-passes-1st-gun-control-bill-newtown-school-massacre-article-1.1240644#ixzz2I8bWV712

I guess I didn't realize the fact that New Yorkers will be forced to register them if they decide to keep them, rather than just seize the property. The whole law is very vague. I am also reading possessing 10 rd magazines is a Misdemeanor, but maybe that would be the case for only grandfathered magazines that are not registered with the government.

goldie
January 16, 2013, 09:49 AM
I dont think the criminal use of an m1 garand exists, & the m1a,as well.its too big,heavy & unwieldy,& from every gun ive ever seen taken on police shows, the news,never saw a garand in 30 years .Never saw a crook with m1 thumb.i cant see how they are so against that rifle,too...

pseudonymity
January 16, 2013, 04:02 PM
They will have to be registered, and the en bloc clips need to be registered as well once the law goes into effect.

We can still get Garands from CMP after the law is effective, but we will have to register them within 30 days.

(VI) ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST
FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THERE
OF THAT IS VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF
SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER

M1ke10191
January 16, 2013, 04:06 PM
I believe Garands and SKSs are exempt from the ban.

Here's the magazine breakdown:

Preban 20 or 30 round mags, even if bought legally, are 100% illegal with one year to sell them out of state.

New 10 round mags (after this law's passage) are also illegal to own.

Grandfathered 10 round mags are fine with no requirements to release them, although they cannot be loaded with more than 7 rounds.

Hope that helps.

Fryerpower
January 16, 2013, 04:09 PM
I expect the Obama administration to shut down the CMP as soon as they get their other gun ban measures passed.


On know it is Wikipedia, but it still MAY be accurate:

"From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding."

Emphasis added.

Jim

mfinley919
January 16, 2013, 04:11 PM
How do you put 7 rounds in a Garand 8 round enbloc? :banghead:

F'ng NY State. Doesn't usually take more than a few months to go by to remind myself how happy I am and why I left that Liberal, tax happy sesspool in 1994 and never looked back!:)

Think I'll got get me a 33 oz soda right now.

F-111 John
January 16, 2013, 05:37 PM
How do you put 7 rounds in a Garand 8 round enbloc?
I never played with one, but I suppose you'll have to fill the last spot with an empty cartridge or a .30-06 snap cap.

Geneseo1911
January 16, 2013, 05:57 PM
How do you put 7 rounds in a Garand 8 round enbloc?
-A clip isn't a magazine
-When you push the 8rd clip INTO the magazine, the bolt instantly closes. 7 in the magazine, one in the chamber.

pseudonymity
January 16, 2013, 06:09 PM
I believe Garands and SKSs are exempt from the ban.

You know, I think you are right. I think the SKS was an oversight, since semi autos that do not take a detachable mag or clip are not addressed in the law. I am not aware of any other rifles in that category that are typically available?

The Garand is going to be interesting - it does not have a detachable magazine, but I am not sure how the difference b/w clip and mag would hold up in court if it came to that point. How stupid is it that we can buy a Garand without registration after the law is effective, but the en bloc clips have to be 50 years old and registered?

So here is a question - what if I have a 30 round pre-ban AR mag today, and an AR lower. If I remove the bolt catch from the mag and secure the mag into the lower by use of a solid mag release button with a screw or similar, do I have the equivalent of a SKS (legally)? It is now a semi automatic but does not have any capability to accept detachable mags, and without the detachable mag part I could have all the evil features. It would require me to break the action open to load the magwell, much like a SKS loads with the carrier locked back.

Jdillon
January 16, 2013, 08:50 PM
I tried reading the legislation this afternoon on-line and must say after the first read it is nearly non-comprehensible and will go back and read it a few more times. At first read, it looks like many popular rifles including the venerable 10-22 maybe illegal under the new law. I also had thoughts about the M-1 while reading it. Unfortunately, a lot of law abiding citizens will unwittingly be criminalized with this new legislation.

Fortunately, I left the NY metro area in 1975 for New Mexico and never looked back. People in NY are no longer residents of that state but simply serfs there to provide the liberal politicians the financial means to carry out there progressive agenda.

jrmiddleton425
January 16, 2013, 10:14 PM
"How do you put 7 rounds in a Garand clip?"

Drop the empty clip into the rifle. Snap rounds into place either side of the follower. Close the bolt in the normal manner. Depending on your dexterity, it is physically possible to load an EMPTY clip into a Garand.

mfinley919
January 16, 2013, 10:29 PM
You guys are all smarter than me. I'll just stick with putting 8 rounds in my 8 round enbloc clips.

Ithaca1937
January 17, 2013, 09:42 PM
-A clip isn't a magazine
-When you push the 8rd clip INTO the magazine, the bolt instantly closes. 7 in the magazine, one in the chamber.

The new phrasing would count the en bloc itself to be a "large capacity ammunition feeding device". So a person can not acquire another standard 8 round en bloc, but the ones they currently possess are grandfathered in; although they are not allowed to have more than 7 rounds in them. So simply putting 8 rounds into just the clip alone would be a crime. :banghead:

gbw
January 18, 2013, 03:01 AM
The "large capacity device' definition is kind of goofy.

Anything existing in NY as of 1/15/13 that has a capacity of 10 rds. or fewer is NOT a large capacity device, UNLESS it contains more than 7 rds. of ammo - then it is one.

So in NY, your 10/22 or High Standard Victor 10 rd. magazine is not a LCD - until you put the 8th round in it. Then by magic it becomes a large capacity feeding device.

(You can almost hear the politicals sitting in a room hammering out this piece of mangled logic. Well, they were tired and in a hurry, and anyway all the magazines in question have a capacity greater than the IQ of the those present.)

Any mags brought into the state after that date are limited to a capacity of 7 rds. No new 10 rounders.

Anything over 10 rds. gotta go, one year or less.

CTPhil
January 18, 2013, 09:14 AM
So does this mean a Marlin Model 60 .22 is banned?

gbw
January 18, 2013, 12:03 PM
.22 RF tubular magazines rifles are exempted in the new law.

Ithaca1937
January 18, 2013, 12:32 PM
So does this mean a Marlin Model 60 .22 is banned?
No; while it does hold over 7 rounds, there is a specific exemption for tube feed .22 rimfires.

23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
drum, feed strip, or similar device, that ...

(C) IS OBTAINED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER OF THE
LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH AMENDED THIS SUBDIVISION AND HAS A
CAPACITY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT,
MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; provided, however, that such term
does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and
capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition


Although I believe it would still be limited that you could only load 7 rounds into it.

splithoof
January 18, 2013, 01:36 PM
Here is an opportunity for massive civil disobedience if there ever was one; the days of continuing to be a "law abiding citizen" are long over, especially when continuing to be that "law abiding citizen" means you meekly hand over your personal property. That very long line of Australians handing over their personal weapons for destruction by the state ensured that they were law abiding, and what did that do for them? If the American people continue to let themselves be pushed around by the socialists politicians, they have only themselves to blame when the goblins come to feed.

goldie
January 19, 2013, 10:15 PM
They make 5 rd enbloc clips for the garand,i guess thats what New Yorkers will have to start getting.

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