So, what are we going to do about it?


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freyasman
January 16, 2013, 10:10 AM
Yesterday, I watched the NY State Assembly vote in one of the scariest laws I ever heard of in this country. Now.... what are we going to do about it? I started a thread a little while back asking "who has contacted their reps?" and its still going. I sent a bunch of e-mails to my reps and felt pretty good that I had done my part..... well that ain't enough. I am going to continue sending e-mails, but I am also going to make calls to all my representatives; I am going to go to their offices, in person, and make my disapproval known. They will most likely not be in or able to speak with me in person, but I will ask for an appointment, and I will give my position to the senior staffer present. I am going to be polite, civil, and I will not enter into any arguements, or confrontations; BUT I will be very clear that individuals who vote against my rights will have to deal with me at the ballot box. I will dedicate myself to keeping track of how they vote on gun issues, and I will remember to vote AGAINST them at any and every oppurtunity, as well as urging every single person I can reach to join me in this. Our Representatives are , in a very real sense, our employees.... and some of them need to be fired.

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Queen_of_Thunder
January 16, 2013, 10:30 AM
If a NY resident then you need to find people for office who support you.

If not a resident of NY we can notify government officials we will not do business with NY firms. What would really make an impact is if the gun industry pulled out of NY and suppliers outside of NY refused to sell to NY including LE and government entitys.

I would suggest all gun owners write letters to suppliers asking for their support in this manner.

freyasman
January 16, 2013, 11:27 AM
Queen, I no longer live in NY state, I was stationed there for a few years, (under protest), and I worry that if it can happen in ANY state, it could happen in mine.... or yours. Another thing that occurred to me, is all the soldiers that are stationed there; if a soldier has a rifle that is affected by this law, and he only has a short window of time to comply with the law or be guilty of a felony, then what about all the guys that are deployed? How are they going to comply, even if they want to?

ssyoumans
January 16, 2013, 11:48 AM
Someone should start a website to make it easy to notify all gun and ammo manufacturers that you will not do business with them if they continue to do business with the state of NY.

Unfortunately, in these sold out times, they can afford to lose a lot of customers and still sell all of their product. :banghead:

freyasman
January 16, 2013, 02:18 PM
I'm also going to try and meet and speak with as many judges as I can, and get their opinions on the ethical and legal implications of this sort of legislation. On that same note, is anyone acquainted with their state Attorney General? Might be good to chat with them. Maybe a talk with the Chamber of Commerce, as things like this have serious negative consequences for the gun industry, which by the way, is one of the few industries in this country that is doing well in this economy.

Old Fuff
January 16, 2013, 02:22 PM
Being old has its disadvantages, but I can still vaguely remember the Dec. 7th, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the war that followed.

We were pretty much unprepared and got caught with our pants down. The Japanese strike was intended to wipe out our entire Pacific Fleet and Air Force assets in that area. It almost succeeded, but fortunately our aircraft carriers were at sea.

It took time for us to recover, and shift gears, but after getting badly beaten through 1942 and part of í43 things changed. By mid-1945 a Japanese delegation was standing on the deck of a battleship in Tokyo Bay ready to surrender.

What we are going through now is a gun control advocatesí equivalent of the Pearl Harbor attack. We didnít see it coming and were unprepared. Now there is a lot of confusion mixed with doom & gloom. Sure we have taken a hit, and itís likely we will take some more. But by the time the 2014 elections come around I have no doubt that we will be in fighting trim. We have beaten the forces behind gun control before, and ultimately we will do it again.

For the moment we have to fight a holding action, and among other things burying legislatures under huge piles of mail is a good start. Laws like the one passed in New York will be challenged in court, but the actions must be carefully thought out and prepared.

The only sure way to lose is to simply give up. I for one wonít do it.

hak
January 16, 2013, 02:37 PM
I joined the http://www.nysrpa.org/ (they have an out of state "category") and wrote my representatives.

armedaccountant
January 16, 2013, 02:43 PM
Someone should start a website to make it easy to notify all gun and ammo manufacturers that you will not do business with them if they continue to do business with the state of NY.

Unfortunately, in these sold out times, they can afford to lose a lot of customers and still sell all of their product. :banghead:
ssyoumans-

I don't agree with your idea. I am sure there are many responsible gun owners in the state of NY that for one reason or another would find it very difficult to move to another state. For instance if someone worked in a highly specialized industry that was only available there, or a farmer or rancher. Maybe they have very ill relatives that couldn't take the move. We shouldn't attempt to penalize them, we should stand with them. By trying to force the firearms and ammunition companies to stop doing business in NY you are calling for your brethren to be disarmed.

JFtheGR8
January 16, 2013, 02:48 PM
Join/donate to the NRA. We pay them to fight for us. We need to make sure they don't run out of funds. Write to representatives. Donate to campaign funds. Etc.
The ones with the most money win in the political arena so financially support those that share or values.


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G21NE
January 16, 2013, 02:49 PM
Excellent post, Old Fuff! Couldn't have said it better myself. Some states may lose this battle (CT, NY, etc) but if we fight hard there won't be a Federal law.

Wonder how soon the California legislature will try this?

freyasman
January 16, 2013, 03:04 PM
The point I was trying to make in my original post, is that I had done something.... and it was easy. I then spent a couple days throwing my shoulder out patting myself on the back, because I had done my part; well screw that! Doing something EASY, that has no appreciable affect, is LAZY! What I was trying to say is, that now I am going to WORK! What about you all?

Old Fuff
January 16, 2013, 04:31 PM
Excellent post, Old Fuff! Couldn't have said it better myself. Some states may lose this battle (CT, NY, etc) but if we fight hard there won't be a Federal law.

Understand that in two recent Supreme Court decisions they:

Ruled that the possession of arms was an individual right but subject to "reasonable regulation." It would be hard to see how they could justify an outright ban.

Then they incorporated that ruling and made it binding on the states. Should they find that "the people" have a right to "keep & bear arms" that are suitable for the Militia (which they did by implication in the Miller decision in 1934; any U.S. or similar state ban would be null and void.

With a few exceptions that we don't need to consider, males who are between the age of 18 to 45 and are citizens of the United States, or have declared to become one; Are by default members of the Unorganized Militia of the United States and must provide their own arm and ammunition. This is ďtheĒ Militia referred to in the Second Amendment. This is not a pipe dream, itís required by law Ė even in New York State.

mcdonl
January 16, 2013, 04:41 PM
Im taking a different approach. I plucked out the EO's that deal with education and I am trying to work with my Senators, Govenor and Representatives to take a pro-active, pro-gun approach to applying these EO's to show that we are more than just against... there are some things we SUPPORT and it is education and safety.

I want nothing to do with any ban of any type but I am willing to work side by side with them on things I believe it and by doing so I am hoping it will show (At least my reps and senators) that pro 2nd amendment does not mean anti change.

gym
January 16, 2013, 04:42 PM
And as far as NY goes, you either accept the fact that you live in a faciast state, or move. I did it and so did a lot of others with businesses and homes. You create your own destiny, and sometimes you may have to be inconvienced in order to live as you wish.
Look at it this way, it's better to move to another state where you are happy, than live in a plce where you are unhappy.
Guys go into the military or to their job moves, and all of a sudden they are uprooted and sent someware they had no intention of going. That's life, if enough people leave the state who are taxpayers, then only the wealthy and the dreck will be left, and they don't pay taxes, so the city will have to change it's view.
Right now you have your pick of a dozen gun friendly states that you can move to.

TarDevil
January 16, 2013, 04:57 PM
It really comes down to the ballot box. That's just a tough geographical area for conservatives to get elected.

chipcom
January 16, 2013, 04:59 PM
I figure you all have three choices:

1. Comply with the law while trying to change it. Considering the Sullivan Act has been in effect since 1911, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

2. Move out of state. Easier said than done for some.

3. Refuse to comply while trying to change the law. Could get you fined, jailed or worse, but you'll get to experience many of the same risks our founding fathers did. Those OWS kids might actually be an example for you.

Seanxlu
January 16, 2013, 05:15 PM
"You are born of Royal Blood. Your brothers are Princes. Your sisters are Princesses. Your Father is the King of Kings"

"You are incapable of being governed or ruled. You Father made that very clear and it is your birthright to live as nothing less than part of your royal linkage."

Haven't you made up your mind?

larryh1108
January 16, 2013, 05:30 PM
NY did it in a stealth mode. No open forum for discussions. They voted in the dark of night and forced it down our throats.

Other blue states will see what they did and follow suit. Hey, NY did it, why not us? One by one the blue states slide thru legislation that cuts our knees out.

They feel the NRA can't fight 50 separate battles so instead of battling the national laws, the antis do it state by state. When they have enough blue states who follow suit, then they will take it up to the federal level. One state at a time, one year at a time. If this continues, the twenty somethings out there today will see an English or Australian ban in their lifetime. They'll patiently wait for the die hard old timers to perish. The hardliners. The leaders who've been there and done that. Now is the time for the new generation to take action to stop this before it's too late.

What to do? I can't answer that but we have to do something showing a united front and show them WE are the majority, not the vocal antis who act like they represent the real America. WE are the real America, not the people who think no guns are the best answer. It is real, people. The Big Dog has fired the first shot in NY and other states will follow. We have to stop them now, not in the years it will take for it to make it thru the courts. They want what we have. They will take it unless we respond with a united voice and their jobs are lost. There has to be an answer we can legally do that will make them stand up and take notice.

Thoughts, anyone?

armedandsafe
January 16, 2013, 05:55 PM
By all means, join the NRA, as they are our voice in leaning on the legislature. Donate to ILA, as they are the political action part of NRA and are restricted by law to very little financing from NRA.

Then join and contribute to the Second Amendment Foundation, the real tip of the spear in the legal defence of the Second Amendment. Just go over the the SAF site and browse down through the list of the actions they have taken FOR US. If you like what they have done for you so far, help them out.

http://www.saf.org/

Pops

goon
January 16, 2013, 07:48 PM
I support the legal gun owners of NY State and am really sickened by what's going on there.
The seven round limit is especially troubling, as is the fact that they could have included an exemption for those carrying for defense or for guns kept for self-defense in the home, but didn't. They plainly do not care about the ability of people to be able to defend themselves.
And this is evidence to the "they ain't a-takin' my huntin' scattergun so I don't care" crowd that no one is safe. Anyone who owns a stock 10/22, Ruger 77/22, an 8 round 1911 magazine, and probably even anyone who owns an old H&R 999. This is just incredibly sickening and specifically targets the law-abiding. It makes no sense at all.

But other than court challenges and trying to elect legislators to repeal it, what can be done? And what can be done by those of us who don't live in NY?

This type of law can only further polarize the state because those who aren't willing to put up with it and can move will move to more gun-friendly areas, but there is no way you'd get more gun-friendly people to move en-mass to NY to shift the voting demographics enough to change anything.

gym
January 16, 2013, 08:55 PM
Very few Americans move "to" NY. It's the port city that people make their money in and move "away" from.
Unless you are a city or a Govt. worker, cop, or firefighter, who can pull down 6 figures working there. But then they also have to pay $5-6 grand a month in mortgage, electric taxes and bills , so the benefits are few, unless you already own a home that your parents left you or you work on Wall Street. Opening any kind of business has to cost mid 6 figures minimum now.
Most people who were coming while I was going were from Israel, Russia, Egypt, etc. Foreign people with a ton of cash.
One day my attorney, and dear friend were walking, and talking on Austin Street,"Forest Hills", near the Tennis Stadium, that used to host the "Open", and he turned and said ,"you and I are the only two guys speaking english in the last 2 blocks we walked". That was it for me. I saw the light, I got out of denial, my clients were gone, all moved out of Queens. Out of NY.
Replaced by people who had different values and different customs. Not for me anymore, so I left.
If you really think you can change it back to 1970-90 NY , I applaud your tenacity, but I would not bet a penny on the results.

larryh1108
January 16, 2013, 09:35 PM
I don't want to change anything back. I want major cities to have their own rules/laws and the rest of the state having their own rules and laws. It's not right that 1 city can run an entire state yet it is happening right now in NY, CA and IL. How much of the state's land does NYC take? 3%. 5%. You may have 100,000 people living in a square mile in NYC and one family living in a square mile in upstate NY yet the people in NYC can tell the people in upstate NYS how to live. Wrong, so wrong. How many bears, coyotes, mountain lions and deer are there in NYC versus upstate? Why should someone living in the city tell the people in the country what kind of guns they can own? They elect the idiots running the state because there are more of them. Maybe states can adopt something like the presidential election's electoral college? 1 county, 1 vote. Would that level the playing field?

Lupinus
January 16, 2013, 09:47 PM
Do valid options involve tar and feathers?

msb45
January 16, 2013, 11:17 PM
What we need is gun companies to band together. After the LAPD screwed Barrett he manned up and refused to sell to them.

Every gun company should not sell to any political subdivision of New York.

When NYPD can't get guns we'll see how fast Bloomberg can build a gun factory.

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