Browning High Power magazine - How to limit to 7 rounds?


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minuteman1970
January 16, 2013, 10:29 AM
My primary residence is in NY, and yesterday's new ban makes illegal any magazines over 10 rounds. All I have for my BHP are pre-ban 13 rounders, and they won't even let us buy 10-rounders (not that I could find any anyways). I'm trying to figure out a way of modifying them to comply with the 7-round max limit. Any ideas?

Also, in case I can't modify a mag, any thoughts on how to de-cock it without a magazine in the well?


Thanks.

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Jim Watson
January 16, 2013, 10:36 AM
To decock, you are going to have to get SOMETHING up the magazine well to depress the magazine disconnector. A stick carved to fit would work.

We do not yet know if a simple plug in a standard capacity magazine to limit it to New York 7 will be permissable, but it would be a place to start.

I seem to recall that Canada has specific legally allowed methods to restrict magazine capacity to 10, the same methods shoud work for 7 in NY. Maybe somebody active in IDPA or IPSC in Canada will help.

K1500
January 16, 2013, 04:28 PM
Remove mag safety to allow the hammer to drop with no mag in gun. I wouldn't want to single load any auto handgun by dropping a round in the chamber and closing the slide, it is very hard on the extractor.

TheGloriousTachikoma
January 16, 2013, 04:53 PM
In Canada they like to use aluminum rivets. Not possible on a pistol magazine though. Why not a magazine block? A piece of wood glued to the floorplates that prevent the stack from growing greater than 7?

banddr2
January 16, 2013, 04:56 PM
I havn't read the law, but I would think modifying the mags would not work since they can easily be converted back. I suspect the wording will be similar to the Clinton era ban where mags must be impossible to modify to hold larger capacities.

RedAlert
January 16, 2013, 05:18 PM
I'm not a lawyer hence this question. If they enact this law concerning magazine capacity and do not grandfather it would that not be the same as seizure of personal property without compensation?
What other product can you recall that something similar was done? Can you imagine if they limited the capacity of a car's gas tank to 10gallons. Your factory installed 20 gallon tank would need to be replaced or grandfathered. Perhaps that a bit silly, but all my Sig's come with 12 round mags, except for the compact ones.
Are we now to be called criminals if we own 12 round magazines? Will we be compensated for the cost of replacing the 12 rounders?

Dryft
January 16, 2013, 05:20 PM
If you have metal magazines, I suppose one option would be to spot weld a mag block in place. It works for states where the flash suppressor has to be tacked on to rifles, right?

And is it convertible to original? Yeah, but not quickly.

If you could weld to the floor plate and still be able to disassemble, then conceivably you could get extra floor plates and just store those for later when things calm down or you move.

Just my $.02.

bainter1212
January 16, 2013, 05:45 PM
Don't know how the NY law will address this, but in CA you can possess a disassembled hi cap mag. We are limited to 10 rounders here. We can have hi cap mags, but as soon as they are assembled it is a felony. You might consider altering 2 or 3 mags for legal use/carry, disassemble the rest (again, if it is legal) and keep them tucked away in case of SHTF, breakdown of law and order etc.

verdun59
January 16, 2013, 05:56 PM
Please, please, please vote them out.

Hammerdown77
January 16, 2013, 06:56 PM
I think I would load up a Mayflower truck and move.

Certaindeaf
January 16, 2013, 08:31 PM
I'd sell it and buy a 2-3" S&W .44 magnum.

jonnyc
January 17, 2013, 09:04 AM
Dig out all those 10 round BHP mags THAT YOU ALREADY BOUGHT MONTHS AGO and only load 7 rounds into them. ;)

tarosean
January 17, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jersey?????



and I could take those illegal ones off your hands...

AirForceShooter
January 17, 2013, 09:45 AM
The interpretations I've seen of the NY law is you can have a magazine with a capacity over 10 but you can't load more than 10.

AFS

minuteman1970
January 17, 2013, 09:53 AM
Thanks all for your input. I went through my BHP mags last night, and it turns out I had picked up a bunch of 10-rounders a while back on a trade deal, and had forgotten about them (no reason to use 10 when I had the option of 13 at the time). Serves me right for not keeping a list of my accessories!

I'll hang onto the 10 rounders, and my 13-rounders will be sent out of state.

tarosean
January 17, 2013, 09:57 AM
The interpretations I've seen of the NY law is you can have a magazine with a capacity over 10 but you can't load more than 10.


Incorrect... below is the law

Section 38 of the bill amends Penal Law � 265.00(23) to ban all large
capacity magazines that have the capacity to hold more than ten rounds
of ammunition including those that were grandfathered in under the
original assault weapons ban and creates a new ban on magazines that
hold more than seven rounds of ammunition. Magazines that can hold
more than seven rounds but not more than ten rounds and are currently
possessed will be grandfathered in, but may only contain seven rounds
of ammunition. Exceptions are made for large capacity magazines that
are curios or relics.

Aceoky
January 17, 2013, 10:02 AM
There are so many NY ban threads I hope it is OK to re-post this valuable info in a few of them to insure that those who may need this info can easily obtain it.

Lawyer Jim Tresmond, Attorney in Buffalo, New York. Attorney phone is (716) 202-4301, successfully represented clients in the past on Second Amendment issues in NYS Supreme Court. This case is pro-bono for all the gun owners of New York.

According to Mr. Tresmond the new ban is illegal as it is an ex-facto law taking away previously owned property and he intends to file this action in Federal Court. We are looking for as many as possible to add to CLASS ACTION CASE:

minuteman1970
January 17, 2013, 10:20 AM
Incorrect... below is the law
tarosean,

Interesting point. The BHP was designed in 1935, and should be considered a C&R, no?

Perhaps the 13-rounders are fine after all, so long as they are not loaded with more than 7 rounds.

Pilot
January 17, 2013, 10:23 AM
When a gun was designed does not matter for qualitifaction for C&R. If that were the case ALL 1911's would be C&R. It is when it was MANUFACTURED, and also must be on the approved C&R list. Browning Hi Powers made more the fifty years ago may qualify, but check the C&R list.

tarosean
January 17, 2013, 11:14 AM
^ what he said..


Here is the list...
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

minuteman1970
January 17, 2013, 11:30 AM
Ah... Thanks for the clarification.

ku4hx
January 17, 2013, 12:41 PM
I've limited one BHP magazine. It was a Promag 13 round (I think Promag) so I didn't lose anything. At the point where the limit would be 10 rounds, I drilled a hole straight through both sides. I forget the exact size but I then inserted a pin and did a very quick tack weld on both sides. I was worried about heat warping and such but that turned out to be a non problem. I then ground off excessive pin length, polished the area with the pin and reblued the magazine.

It worked. The magazine would hold no more than 10 rounds and it fit the gun just fine.

But, since the Promag was headed to the scrap pile before the mod it went there anyway. I never tried to use it in a live fire test. It was easier to buy several 10 round Mec-Gar magazines and move on.

VAgunner
January 17, 2013, 06:47 PM
When a gun was designed does not matter for qualitifaction for C&R. If that were the case ALL 1911's would be C&R. It is when it was MANUFACTURED, and also must be on the approved C&R list. Browning Hi Powers made more the fifty years ago may qualify, but check the C&R list.

The C&R provision would only apply if the mag is original to the gun. IMHO.

marty1
January 17, 2013, 10:03 PM
The law was written by a bunch of super liberals from New York City who never even handled a gun in their life. I have a SKS which holds 10 rounds but is perfectly legal since the mag is fixed. In addition the ATF reflects it as a C&R. I just bought to 7 round mags for my 1911 but I now realize all I had to do was to only load 7 rounds. My handguns I keep locked in a safe and my home protection weapon is a Rem 870 12G.

Janos Dracwlya
January 17, 2013, 10:32 PM
The people in New York should just get .45's and convert them to .460 Rowland or something like that. ;)

blkbrd666
January 17, 2013, 10:40 PM
According to Mr. Tresmond the new ban is illegal as it is an ex-facto law taking away previously owned property and he intends to file this action in Federal Court. We are looking for as many as possible to add to CLASS ACTION CASE:

Hopefully, someone will keep us posted on this. It would be interesting to see the count of people in a class action for the state. I'm sure the media won't be covering it at all...probably under executive order NOT to.

Jim K
January 18, 2013, 12:43 AM
"If they enact this law concerning magazine capacity and do not grandfather it would that not be the same as seizure of personal property without compensation?"

Sure, that is the whole idea. What makes you think the antis care about fairness or outmoded concepts like constitutional rights? They are driven by an insane need to control the people and nothing else counts.

Jim

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