New York law enforcement should have same restrictions on magazine capacity


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pezo
January 16, 2013, 06:21 PM
Why not? They patrol the same streets and hoods the citizens live in. Who needs more than 7 shots right? They don't plan on shooting a whole bunch of people so why should they be exempt? The new bill apparently did not exempt them. Protest to keep it that way. Or wait what's good for the goose is not for the gander. Their reason for allowing the Leo's to have higher capacities should be the same for the citizen. Ah! New York the hypocrisy.

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Texshooter
January 16, 2013, 06:53 PM
Darn right they should.

Let NY reap what it has sown.

LEOs (God Bless Them All), but their lives are no more valuable than the lives of the ones I love.

I would like, and we need to let them know, Manf. only sell to Gov't Agencies what the citizens are allowed to have in that state.

Shovelhead
January 16, 2013, 07:00 PM
I think the Prez's Secret Service detail should also be restricted to 10 round magazines.

j.kramer
January 16, 2013, 07:02 PM
any one inside ny should have the same laws

Walt622
January 16, 2013, 07:40 PM
I seem to recall the last mass shooting in NYC was by the NYPD! If they were limited to 7 rounds, perhaps they will learn to shoot better.

(I know, not HighRoad, but I am burned up about all this!)

Vurtle
January 16, 2013, 07:46 PM
Anyone who undermines the 2nd amendment and calls it law is a terrorist that happens to be employed by the gov. Our Founding Fathers would call them tyrants.

Vurtle
January 16, 2013, 07:49 PM
“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.”


― Confucius

ShamboPyro
January 16, 2013, 07:50 PM
I think Obama's guards should all be equipped with nerf swords. If he doesn't support concealed carry then he should be subject to the same rules.

JERRY
January 16, 2013, 08:09 PM
ive piped up about something similiar for a long time about guns with built in locks.....when the police are issued those guns as their primaries then i will considering buying one.....

TurtlePhish
January 16, 2013, 08:10 PM
I'm pretty sure their new magazine capacity law didn't include an exemption for LE, so they ARE limited to 7 rounds when it kicks in.

Kiln
January 16, 2013, 09:13 PM
I'm sure an exemption will be made. It isn't right but if you're a LEO you'll probably be granted the ability to keep your rights, unlike the rest of the people in NY.

Certaindeaf
January 16, 2013, 09:18 PM
So you can't have a magazine over seven rounds? I gather that the cops over there can have magazine capacity over that. I wonder if armed security guards can carry what cops carry. I think you can become a security guard for like $25. Everybody should be their own security guard is the way I see it.

the_skunk
January 16, 2013, 09:33 PM
I seem to recall the last mass shooting in NYC was by the NYPD! If they were limited to 7 rounds, perhaps they will learn to shoot better.

Those 18 round glocks are great on crowded streets

parsimonious_instead
January 16, 2013, 10:13 PM
I just came from a cop-run gun store in lower Westchester. He couldn't sell any ammo. He could sell guns to the cops that do business with him, but the mags had to stay behind in his shop. There DOESN'T seem to be exemptions for Law Enforcement in the NYS Law. This is right along with one of my main arguments I make against new gun laws - they're usually sloppy and poorly constructed!

we are not amused
January 17, 2013, 10:46 PM
Apparently the idiots in New York forgot to exempt Law Enforcement, and they are bound by the 7 round limit. ROFLOL! :neener:

Justin
January 17, 2013, 10:51 PM
New York law enforcement should have same restrictions on magazine capacity

Your wish is Cuomo's command.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8958116

:D

bushmaster1313
January 17, 2013, 10:56 PM
The Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers."

Even if active LEO's are exempt,
Why should retired LEO's be exempt?

JVaughn
January 17, 2013, 11:02 PM
I love it. They can arrest each other until none are left to arrest.

Not the LEO's fault of course, but they shouldn't have more rights than anyone else does. I would vote for no changes to the current version.

armoredman
January 17, 2013, 11:05 PM
NYPD used to use 38 Special revolvers to good effect, and at one time issued .32 revolvers as well. Time to dig 'em out of storage!

chris in va
January 18, 2013, 12:38 AM
Agreed, and I also feel Hollywood should abide by CA gun laws.

Solo
January 18, 2013, 12:54 AM
I guess we'll be seeing more 1911's in New York!

Texshooter
January 18, 2013, 01:04 AM
And all Manf. selling to NY (and other non-Free states) should be reminded of where their real profit comes from and to either stop selling in those locations or only sell, for example, the 7 round mags there.

zxcvbob
January 18, 2013, 01:19 AM
Any way for NY'ers to use this oversight to their advantage? Letters and emails to their state representatives to limit LEOs to the same 7 round mags as the law abiding citizens?

LEOs (God Bless Them All), but their lives are no more valuable than the lives of the ones I love.


They have radios and can call for backup. You're on your own.

Certaindeaf
January 18, 2013, 01:28 AM
So when in NY do a NY reload (carry multiple guns)? lolz, pretty moot, you can't carry/have guns there

fanchisimo
January 18, 2013, 01:41 AM
From Justin's link:

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals"

So they know criminals are going to keep using standard cap magazines in lieu of the 7-rounders, so the cops need to be equally equipped. So the only person is the law-abiding citizen that has the low-cap magazines. Makes no sense.

Another thing this ban makes me think about, how common are 7-round magazines? Since it will be a bit of time before manufacturers will be able to make enough, this sounds almost like a gun usage ban, save for deer rifles, revolvers, and people who have smaller magazines already.

Evergreen
January 18, 2013, 01:53 AM
Did the handgun ban in New York City help prevent the wounding of all the innocent bystanders who were shot by the two NYPD officers? Basically, as with every other draconian country/state/city who has its own autonomous government and laws, they will always have the "Exception" clause. Just like in Nazi Germany, approved members of the Nazi party were allowed to own guns that German citizens were prohibited to own. Basically, Cuomo and his family are going to be protected by men armed with all types of guns you and your family will never have the luxury to be protected with.


BTW.. I am hoping gun and ammo companies will plan a boycott on selling firearms/ammo to New York state government and law enforcement as retribution for their unconstitutional gun laws. There are several threads on this subject on other forums.

DammitBoy
January 18, 2013, 02:04 AM
evidently, some pigs are more equal...

nitesite
January 18, 2013, 04:44 AM
Well, I for one feel duty bound to run toward the sound of gunfire and into the unknown. Most of those who have commented here have neither the obligation, the willingness or the mental preparedness to do what I and other brothers and sisters do.

So go ahead and smirk and say that cops shouldn't be differently armed than the general populace. I do agree that they are no better than any other citizen, of that you are correct.

But most of you would not enter a high risk environment that you didn't have to. That is not what makes cops better, but it's what makes them different.

Evergreen
January 18, 2013, 04:53 AM
Well, I for one feel duty bound to run toward the sound of gunfire and into the unknown. Most of those who have commented here have neither the obligation, the willingness or the mental preparedness to do what I and other brothers and sisters do.

So go ahead and smirk and say that cops shouldn't be differently armed than the general populace. I do agree that they are no better than any other citizen, of that you are correct.

But most of you would not enter a high risk environment that you didn't have to. That is not what makes cops better, but it's what makes them different.
Strange, many law-abiding and armed citizens have put their lives on the line to protect the lives of innocent people. Where were the police in the Clackamas Town Center in Oregon when a man with CHL pulled his weapon and helped stop the additional lives of innocent civilians from being murdered? Remember the average citizen has much more liability and doesn't have government paid attorneys and police unions to protect him. Our legal system also makes it much more challenging for a law abiding citizen to defend himself and others as well.

Your logic is more or less coinciding with Cuomo's that citizens with guns are not as worthy as law enforcement, for one reason or another.

How do you know many of us here wouldn't put our lives on the line to protect other people if we were forced into that situation? The average civilian doesn't put themselves in dangerous situations usually. However, there are places in New York City that probably put the average civilian in more danger on a day to day basis then a police officer who patrols a safe and rural county in New York state. Yet, the police officer is allowed a hi-cap magazine, but not the civilian who lives in danger every day in Harlem, Queens or Bronx. Does this make sense?

I respect the police and the dangers they go through, but I also respect the law abiding citizens who are well trained and also have put their lives on the line to protect other people.

Those unarmed teachers who ran into the gunfire to try to save their students were quite brave. As brave as many police officers and they weren't allowed to have a gun in the school (even if they wanted one), like a police officer.

Inebriated
January 18, 2013, 04:54 AM
Your wish is Cuomo's command.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ork&id=8958116

That. Is. Gold.
I mean that just makes my day.

BTW.. I am hoping gun and ammo companies will plan a boycott on selling firearms/ammo to New York state government and law enforcement as retribution for their unconstitutional gun laws. There are several threads on this subject on other forums.

Barrett did it to California, and I was surprised that no one else followed suit. Hoping they do now, though.

radiotom
January 18, 2013, 06:05 AM
Well, I for one feel duty bound to run toward the sound of gunfire and into the unknown. Most of those who have commented here have neither the obligation, the willingness or the mental preparedness to do what I and other brothers and sisters do.

So go ahead and smirk and say that cops shouldn't be differently armed than the general populace. I do agree that they are no better than any other citizen, of that you are correct.

But most of you would not enter a high risk environment that you didn't have to. That is not what makes cops better, but it's what makes them different.
That second sentence is disgusting. Get off your high horse you snobby elitist. There is nothing that separates you from anybody else on this board except your bad attitude.

nitesite
January 18, 2013, 08:24 AM
I will add to my earlier comments because I don't want to change the intent of this thread.

I in no way feel that police are entitled to more than does lawful citizens, because police are just lawful citizens themselves.

The horrible treatment recently of New York gun owners outrages me to the core. I feel empathy for the citizens who are so adversely affected and pray that the recent law will be defeated in the courts.

Some of the comments were giving me the impression that their authors think that police face no more danger or criminal elements than other law abiding citizens. I didn't really take offense to those statements but I (perhaps mistakenly) pointed out, albeit unconvincingly, that many times many (yet not all) in fact do.

It would make me immensely happy to see gun owners fight like hell and win back the rights that they have had stripped away in violation of the Constitution. I don't care if somebody has a basement full of guns and ammo and full capacity magazines. We are all on the same side, and I believe in that with all my heart.

I carry a sidearm that has seven-round magazines, and a pump shotgun that holds five in the tube. Now thats not what I want to be limited to if one day I change my mind. And I NEVER want to see another law abiding gun-owner not have a choice in what they own or carry. HELL if somebody feels a desire, or just on a whim wants to not only own but carry in public a 33-rd GLOCK mag in a G17 I say go for it.

My comments, I pray, will be taken in the context I intended and I hope this thread can get back to the topic and not about me.

Thread drift was never intended, nor was my wish to make a statement that might distract. I wake up and go to sleep thinking about the 2nd Amendment and how precious it is to me in my every day life. I hope New Yorkers and all Americans never feel the threat again that we feel in these past four weeks.

Inebriated
January 18, 2013, 11:43 AM
Some of the comments were giving me the impression that their authors think that police face no more danger or criminal elements than other law abiding citizens. I didn't really take offense to those statements but I (perhaps mistakenly) pointed out, albeit unconvincingly, that many times many (yet not all) in fact do.

It isn't that they face more or less danger, it's that they're citizens as well. Police having weapons exclusive from the rest of the citizens goes against every fiber of the 2nd Amendment. Of course police have a higher propensity for having to use a firearm, so when laws like this go through, and people see that police will be stuck with 7 rounds, while criminals still have more... Well, maybe some folks will open their eyes and realize that BS like this doesn't do anything but negatively affect the law-abiding person. Whether they're police, security, or just a citizen, it really makes no difference.

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