A letter from VP Joe Biden.


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Old Fuff
January 16, 2013, 09:07 PM
Oh, I am so excited!!

I just received this personal E-Mail from the Vice President, and I just couldn’t wait to share it with all of you. I’m sure you will be impressed the same way that I was. :uhoh:

Vice President Joe Biden,
The White House via service.govdelivery.com
5:54 PM (59 minutes ago)

Hello --
Today President Obama announced a plan to help protect our kids and communities from gun violence. You're going to hear a lot about it, but I wanted to make sure you got a chance to get the facts, straight from me.

After hearing from Americans from across the political spectrum, we decided to focus on some key priorities: closing background check loopholes, banning military-style assault weapons, making our schools safer, and increasing access to mental health services.

The ideas we sent to President Obama are straightforward. Each of them honors the rights of law-abiding, responsible Americans to bear arms. Some of them will require action from Congress; the President is acting on others immediately. But they're all common sense and will help make us a little safer.

Now is the time for all of us to act.

Read about the events that brought us to this point, learn about the plan we've proposed to help protect our kids, and then add your name in support to help build momentum for this plan.

Here's what we've put together:

We're calling for requiring background checks for all gun sales and closing the loopholes that allow dangerous individuals to make their purchase without going through one of these checks.

We're asking for a new, stronger ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that allow a shooter to fire dozens of bullets as quickly as he can pull a trigger. And we're asking Congress to help protect law enforcement by make it illegal for members of the public to possess armor-piercing bullets.

We're going to give law enforcement more tools and resources to prevent and prosecute gun crimes, and we're going to end the freeze on gun violence research that prevents the Center from Disease Control from looking at the causes of gun violence.

We're calling on Congress to help make schools safer by putting up to 1,000 school resource officers and mental health professionals in schools and ensuring they have comprehensive emergency management plans in place.

And we're going to increase coverage so that students and young adults can get access to the mental health treatment they may need.

We know that no policy we enact or law we enforce can prevent every senseless act of violence in our country. But if we can save the life of even one child, we have a deep responsibility to act.

Now is the time to come together to protect our kids. Learn about the plan, then add your name alongside mine:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/now-is-the-time

Thanks,

Vice President Joe Biden


Please do not reply to this email. Contact the White House

The White House • 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW • Washington, DC 20500 • 202-456-1111

Vice President Joe Biden, The White House
info@messages.whitehouse.gov

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tyeo098
January 16, 2013, 09:12 PM
:barf:
>banning
>honors the rights
Wat?

Police state here we come!

wow6599
January 16, 2013, 09:14 PM
I got one too. Reported it as junk mail.....

abajaj11
January 16, 2013, 09:20 PM
IF they wanted to save at least one life....maybe they should consider the links between psychotropic drugs and blurring of reality/fantasy...and stop trying to disarm the public....

Banning guns will cause many more deaths, since millions of crimes are prevented every year because there was a firearm with a good guy (mostly never even shown and almost never used).
See: http://www.wnd.com/2005/09/32103/
:)

joneb
January 16, 2013, 10:08 PM
I am tired of gun controlling politicians exploiting tragedies to advance their agendas. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting, many of our founders fled tyrannical governments and understood the importance of a WELL ARMED militia.
Consider Japans decision not to invade the US because of Admiral Yamamoto's observations while in the US, he stated if we invade the US there would be a gun pointed at our troops behind every rock and tree. He was correct.
I see these mass shootings as acts of terror against the US Constitution.
What is the definition of terrorism ? And are these gun grabbing politicians breaching their oath to uphold the Constitution ?

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 16, 2013, 10:31 PM
I replied with, what happened to " Mr.Obama, you won't take my Beretta" and how these rifle are attributed to less than 6% of gun crime. They both sicken me with their lies and filth. I guess all of the people killed with pistols and blunt weapons etc, are not as important as the one "cut down by these vicious mass murder machines".. I tried to unsubscribe but it will not let me.

It is exactly like cooking a chilie.. If you heat it too much it burn and is worthless, but raise the heat slowly, let it simmer, then turn it up a little more and you can get that chilie hot without burning it. They are letting the firearm ban plans simmer right now, but mind these words, the first chance they will add more heat.

My analogy is about the American people buying into this. They are slowly turning even some gun lovers in anti "military rifle" people. They achieve this with their speeches and media. Soon enough the majority of Americans will be calling for an outright ban and confiscation of weapons that look bad...

BulletArc47
January 16, 2013, 11:16 PM
IF they wanted to save at least one life....maybe they should consider the links between psychotropic drugs and blurring of reality/fantasy...and stop trying to disarm the public....



True; there is correlation between anti-depressants, or related drugs, and homicidal/suicidal behavior. If memory serves me right some worst shooting in the past five years have committed by people that were on some form of prescribed mental medication.

mljdeckard
January 16, 2013, 11:24 PM
Was it written in crayon?

beatledog7
January 16, 2013, 11:37 PM
There are so many more ways we could save so many more lives without infringing on Constitutional rights. But then, life itself is unsafe; we all will someday die. The notion that we can make anything or anybody completely safe is as silly as the one that says we can make everyone equal.

David E
January 16, 2013, 11:56 PM
"if it just saves one life, we have a deep responsibility to act"..........from a pro-abortionist? Whose boss voted AGAINST the "born alive" bill? (if a baby survives the abortion, it would receive life saving medical attention.) Obama said "Nope!"

Arrogant hypocrites all.

NavyLCDR
January 17, 2013, 12:42 AM
"We're calling on Congress to help make schools safer by putting up to 1,000 school resource officers and mental health professionals in schools and ensuring they have comprehensive emergency management plans in place."

And there are ONLY 98,817 public schools in the us. So that will cover about 10% of them.

joneb
January 17, 2013, 12:48 AM
"if it just saves one life, we have a deep responsibility to act"..........from a pro-abortionist? Whose boss voted AGAINST the "born alive" bill? (if a baby survives the abortion, it would receive life saving medical attention.) Obama said "Nope!"

Arrogant hypocrites all.
Any nation that can justify the slaughter of of unborn children does not deserve to exist :(

Evergreen
January 17, 2013, 12:50 AM
Any nation that can justify the slaughter of of unborn children does not deserve exist :(
Free abortion for all and no guns for anybody but us!

Gee, I wonder what agenda our government has for us!

316SS
January 17, 2013, 01:08 AM
Was it written in crayon?

The original, yes, along with some inappropriate stick figure drawings. An aid typed it up.


>banning
>honors the rights
Wat?

"I support the Second Amendment, but..." is code for "Mr. & Mrs. America, turn 'em all in!"

Any nation that can justify the slaughter of of unborn children does not deserve exist
Free abortion for all and no guns for anybody but us!

Gee, I wonder what agenda our government has for us!

Way off topic. I'm sure there's another board somewhere for that sort of discussion, but IMHO it isn't High Road.

joneb
January 17, 2013, 01:14 AM
Way off topic. I'm sure there's another board somewhere for that sort of discussion, but IMHO it isn't High Road.
Hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil, sorry I am not a monkey.
In order to solve a problem you must understand its cause.

Swampman
January 17, 2013, 02:39 AM
It's VERY interesting that they're talking about that old "cop killer bullet" BS. As far as I've been able to ascertain, there has NEVER been a cop killed by a vest penetration from an AP handgun round.

When Biaggi came up with that grandstanding garbage back in the early 80s, very few people even knew about cops wearing concealable body armor, once the BG's learned about it due to all the publicity, I believe that there was a jump in the number of cops killed by head shots.
It's a dodge to basically ban about 20% of handgun calibers and virtually 100% of rifle rounds since even a .22 magnum rimfire from a rifle will blow slap through a 2A vest.

I think that all the "mental health" talk is really terrifying, it sounds like they've come up with a way to incarcerate anyone that argues publicly about the right to keep and bear arms, or anything else the administration doesn't want to hear.


It was also interesting to find out that Dr/patient privilege no longer exists according to our new Fuhrer.

This whole thing is a bunch of BS with absolutely NO indication that, "it's for the children". As far as that goes, if someone wanted to, they could probably walk into a grammer school with a crowbar or machete and kill more than 20 little kids unless there was a really quick armed response or a really tough teacher. Little kids just would not be all that hard to kill if a person were crazy enough to want to do it.

The most disgusting thing about this whole tragic farce is watching all of the anti gun elements gleefully using a backdrop of murdered children to advance their political agenda.

It'd be very interesting to see a video of what the private reactions of some of those people were when they first learned of this attack.


The really sad thing is that there are people who claim to be pro gun that are swallowing all of this codswollap about banning "assault weapons", all the while thinking that their hunting rifles are safe.

I personally trust and have full faith that Obama, Feinstein and all of their cohorts will never try to ban or restrict our access to "normal" hunting rifles.

Can anyone say:
"Extremely powerful, military style sniper rifles capable of killing innocent children from over a thousand yards away and that can defeat police body armor".


Because THAT'S what they're gonna call 'em.


But I have no real opinion on this subject...

joneb
January 17, 2013, 02:57 AM
"Extremely powerful, military style sniper rifles capable of killing innocent children from over a thousand yards away and that can defeat police body armor".
You wouldn't be talking about my 338-378 Weatherby magnum would you ? thats a huntin rifle :scrutiny:

Powderman
January 17, 2013, 03:41 AM
Hurk.

Huuuuurrrrk.

Haaaaaawwwww.....!

:barf::barf::barf:

These people make my innards invert, like a sea cucumber.

j.kramer
January 17, 2013, 04:03 AM
"We're calling on Congress to help make schools safer by putting up to 1,000 school resource officers and mental health professionals in schools and ensuring they have comprehensive emergency management plans in place."

And there are ONLY 98,817 public schools in the us. So that will cover about 10% of them.

here in texas most schools either have thier own school police or have regular pd in the schools already

Shadow 7D
January 17, 2013, 04:20 AM
Oh, yeah, what we need next, you doctor can now ban you from owning guns
last I hear, that was the Courts purview... but hey, who needs due process.

wait, kiddie touches, rapist, thieves....
gun owners... nope

ccsniper
January 17, 2013, 04:58 AM
I think that all the "mental health" talk is really terrifying, it sounds like they've come up with a way to incarcerate anyone that argues publicly about the right to keep and bear arms, or anything else the administration doesn't want to hear.

this is what scares me the most. Next thing you know anybody who has a gun for defense is paranoid and needs meds, well there just went your right to own firearms.

Quote:
Free abortion for all and no guns for anybody but us!

Gee, I wonder what agenda our government has for us!
Way off topic. I'm sure there's another board somewhere for that sort of discussion, but IMHO it isn't High Road.

This is absolutely off topic but needs to be said no matter your personal beliefs on the issue, they have two inconsistent beliefs. They believe it is okay to murder children in the womb but not in the classroom. The sane and rational mind cannot hold two things that contradict to be both true, either
A. They are mentally unstable
B. They are lying about one of the two.

va1911
January 17, 2013, 05:26 AM
"We're calling on Congress to help make schools safer by putting up to 1,000 school resource officers and mental health professionals in schools and ensuring they have comprehensive emergency management plans in place."

And there are ONLY 98,817 public schools in the us. So that will cover about 10% of them.

That's 1%.

Japle
January 17, 2013, 07:45 AM
He wants to put "up to 1,000" cops and shrinks in public schools, but according to the National Center for Education Statistics, there were 98,817 public schools during the 2009-2010 school year.

Can you say "drop in the bucket"?

blarby
January 17, 2013, 07:54 AM
IF they wanted to save at least one life....maybe they should consider the links between psychotropic drugs and blurring of reality/fantasy

Apparently this is off topic, btw. Not sure if for legal, or GDD, or THR in general. Asked about this one, still awaiting response.....

bomberbill357
January 17, 2013, 09:20 AM
I got the same "personal" letter from the VP. I'm going to respond with how disappointed I am that government is not addressing the core issues of violence in our society. First, we are in the midst of a mental health crisis and you can't get a crazy any help till they kill or injure themselves or others. And secondly government should address the sadistic violence in on screen movies and video games.

tyeo098
January 17, 2013, 09:33 AM
I got the same "personal" letter from the VP. I'm going to respond with how disappointed I am that government is not addressing the core issues of violence in our society. First, we are in the midst of a mental health crisis and you can't get a crazy any help till they kill or injure themselves or others. And secondly government should address the sadistic violence in on screen movies and video games.
Responding wont do anything. Its a do not reply address.

Your best bet is to go here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact-vp
And fill out the form expressing your displeasure.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL IT GOES NOWHERE

Old Fuff
January 17, 2013, 09:36 AM
Concerning schools.

V.P. Biden proudly tells us that his boss advocates providing less then 1,000 security guards for public schools that apparently will only cover only a small fraction of the total, while on the other hand they push the Gun Free Zone concept that is nothing but an advertisement to those that would commit an ultimate atrocity where they can go to do it with the least risk to themselves.

I note that the other day when ask about the NRA's proposal to provide armed security for all schools, Obama retorted that "that there were too many guns in schools now." Of course this didn't include the ones that protect his daughters.

So now the White House is very upset with the NRA because they pointed this out. But then, this is a popular view held by elitists - mine yes, yours no.

Stope Rat
January 17, 2013, 07:26 PM
+1 Old Fuff

"So now the White House is very upset with the NRA because they pointed this out. But then, this is a popular view held by elitists - mine yes, yours no."

Gun control is the belief that MY kids deserve armed protection, but not yours.

joneb
January 17, 2013, 10:27 PM
Old Fuff,
Please excuse my ranting in your thread, I'm just a bit agitated :(

Old Fuff
January 18, 2013, 11:06 AM
Old Fuff,
Please excuse my ranting in your thread, I'm just a bit agitated

Oh... By all means proceed. You, and others like you, are the reason I started the thread. I am a bit "agitated" myself.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 18, 2013, 12:37 PM
It goes back to someone jokingly saying "we need to keep crazy people from owning guns" another asks "what is the definition of crazy?" The first person replies "anyone that would want to own one of those guns"....

goon
January 18, 2013, 05:44 PM
We could prevent mass killings entirely if we just put the entire population in 8x8 concrete cells.
There would never be more than one person in a cell, so more than one person could never be killed at any one time.
If it saves just one life, isn't that worth it?

Old Fuff - I also got that same email.
I figured it was because I have a bit of liberal streak myself on some things and have signed a few petitions, and I've started a couple, so they have my email.
I'm not sure how I am going to respond to it yet, but maybe we should mobilize gun owners to flood the white house address provided with a million or so letters in one week. It would be a waste of a stamp, but maybe it would make a point.

Old Fuff
January 18, 2013, 06:24 PM
I'm not sure how I am going to respond to it yet, but maybe we should mobilize gun owners to flood the white house address provided with a million or so letters in one week. It would be a waste of a stamp, but maybe it would make a point.

We did something like that when Bush (the father) suggested an AWB. Tied up the White House phone system so bad they couldn't use it for several days. The staff begged callers to write instead. He backed down quick and avoided the subject thereafter.

I'm sure that by now Obama is up to his eyeballs in automated e-mails. Next week they'll be fighting over the debt limit, and I suspect it can't come soon enough for the president. He can't be touched, but those in his party who are up for election in '14 can.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 18, 2013, 07:33 PM
I swear my blood boils just thinking about this administrations use of anti gun propaganda. I curse like the dad from "A Christmas Story" when I start talking about it. I hope that they get bucked on everything they propose if they keep this nonsense up. Lets hope the budget woes really weigh hard on them. Maybe the media would calm down a little more and the whole situation can be approached without emotion... That way they can see it isn't a guns fault...

I know there are some that are just anti, I am mainly talking about the ones jumping sides..

joneb
January 19, 2013, 12:38 AM
If you want to purpose a solution to a problem that does not exist You must first create the problem.
The older I get the more I appreciate my firearms, at some point I will not be able to protect myself or my loved ones, my guns help to keep the playing field equal.
Our law makers have armed protection and so should WE.
If I were a woman I would be well armed and a defender of the 2nd amendment.

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