45LC as a CCW?


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armedaccountant
January 17, 2013, 12:00 AM
I was curious about modern options in a DA 45LC as a CCW, besides the Judge and similar .410 arms. I'm just asking because when I walked past the ammo isle at the store today about the only handgun ammo they had was 45LC.

Is it a good round for SD? I'm guessing it is because it was used for a long time. Are there any modern non-judge .410 offerings?

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ArchAngelCD
January 17, 2013, 12:02 AM
The 45 Colt when loaded correctly is very powerful and will stop any man on Earth.

rcmodel
January 17, 2013, 12:15 AM
They are also the size of a Smart Car in a CCW revolver.

S&W makes or has made some very nice .45 Colt revolvers.
But they are BIG for a CCW gun, as all .45 revolvers must be.

rc

suemarkp
January 17, 2013, 12:43 AM
I like my Taurus 450Ti. It is very light and has a medium frame and grip. A revolver has some bulk, but this is one of my favorite carry guns. It is only a 5 shot though.

A S&W N frame is too huge to carry concealed, and I think that's all they use for 45LC.

Dnaltrop
January 17, 2013, 03:33 AM
I love the .45 Colt, jumped into it with my first replica Schofield at the peak of the ammo shortages a while back. Very controllable round in those inconvenient (for some) large framed revolvers.

I'm a tall fellow, and my EDC is a 4 5/8" Blackhawk that simply vanishes in a shoulder rig under a Hawaiian shirt, I'm also starting to consider adding a similarly-sized DA revolver on the other side (Redhawk? SRH? Model 25?) but other expenses first, plenty to ponder while I save.

If you intend to shoot the gun more than a few times a year, it's also one of the best reasons to have a reloading setup, even a basic Lee turret can pay for itself several times over in one year.

Not to mention there are LOT of Taurus judge owners out there buying up all of the non-cowboy .45 Colt before you set foot in the store.

Lot of fun when you break up the light crack-crack-crack of 9mm's at the range with that diaphragm twanging report. :evil:

Dr.Rob
January 17, 2013, 04:17 AM
Great cartridge, not a lot of CCW friendly revolvers chambered in it.

Stainz
January 17, 2013, 04:56 AM
S&W's 'Governor' is a six shot that will chamber .45 Colt and .45 Schofield, not to mention moonclipped .45 ACPs. It's shorter in OAL than my 4" 625 Mountain Guns in .45 Colt - and weighs in at <2/3 their mass, too. A 255gr LSWC is substantial - a Speer 250gr Gold Dot even more so, for light skinned vermin. I bought mine 6/11 - and it is still a hoot to shoot. Keeper... and I haven't bought .410's for mine since the second week of ownership (I bought mine mainly for it's moonclipped .45 ACP capability - it shares such duties with my 625JM.).

Stainz

Lucky Derby
January 17, 2013, 06:54 AM
When introduced the .45 Colt was the most powerful handgun cartridge available. It was the "magnum" of it's day. It can be loaded to .44 magnum levels, with lower pressure, in an approriate revovler

StrawHat
January 17, 2013, 07:20 AM
I was curious about modern options in a DA 45LC as a CCW, besides the Judge and similar .410 arms. I'm just asking because when I walked past the ammo isle at the store today about the only handgun ammo they had was 45LC.

Is it a good round for SD? I'm guessing it is because it was used for a long time. Are there any modern non-judge .410 offerings?
For the passed three decades I have carried an N frame 45 ACP as my Amex revolver. Is it big? Yes. Is it heavy? I guess so but in a proper holster on a proper belt it is barely noticeable. I started with a Bianchi 5BH, then the Safariland equivalent, and used a Justin Ranger belt. I have also used the Simply Rugged pancake holster with the same belt. All have worked well for me. If you decide to use the 45 long Colt, the S&W Mountian revolver is a good choice. Better grips will be a plus but the most important parts are the holster and belt.

While other cartridges have taken the limelight in SD handguns, it is only because few folks are willing to carry a 45 caliber revolver. It is still the ultimate.

oldpapps
January 17, 2013, 07:50 AM
The 45 Colt (long Colt if you like) is a very effective round, even when loaded with black powder.

I knew a Deputy that carried a Colt Trooper (.357 Revolver with 4 inch barrel and fat square butt) ALL of the time, street clothes included. He was a big boy and could get by with it. Back then I was not fat (I'm pleasingly very plump now) and had to go with an ankle holster.

So, depending upon the weapon, YES, a .45 Colt revolver could be used as a CCW weapon. Sorry but I can think of so many better suited weapons to carry CCW.

lemaymiami
January 17, 2013, 08:17 AM
Some years ago (mid eighties, if memory serves) my small 100 man department still hadn't made the transition to autos and we were required to carry revolvers. After a particularly ineffective shooting incident where two officers hit the target multiple times.... and the target then said " I guess you got me" and sat down to wait for the parameds... Some of our better trained combat types moved to carry either 44 (not allowed mag) or 45 long colt revolvers. Those of us that handled them at the range were impressed with everything about them for duty use.

That said, the real problem with a large weapon for off duty or concealed carry (whether officer or citizen)... is that you'll quickly find reasons not to carry that very good combat piece. It's just too big, too heavy, and unless you're a large framed individual that fine weapon won't be with you when it's likely to be needed most.

I carried a medium frame high cap 9mm or 40 cal for at least my last ten years in law enforcement. I carried, off duty, the exact same weapon I carried on duty - only in an ankle holster. Yes, it is possible to force yourself to become accustomed to something that most would find uncomfortable (nothing like living and working in a high threat environment to motivate you).
That said, most simply won't do it (and I still have the marks on my ankle almost 17 years later from carrying that weight on my ankle - and the noticable veins where the holster lay, even though I haven't carried a sidearm one time since I retired in 1995...).

Note: the 'target' I mentioned was the suicidal brother of a cop who dressed up in camo fatigues, called in a "man with a gun" incident, then fired several shots toward the officers as they approached on foot. Hit five or six times with 38 ammo in the torso - he survived the shooting in pretty good shape. Just one more thing to give a uniform cop bad dreams....

armedaccountant
January 17, 2013, 10:21 AM
Thanks for all the replies. You all have confirmed what I suspected. A 45 Colt is plenty for SD, but the firearms designed to fire it are not friendly for CCW. I wasn't planning on making it a primary CCW, just was wondering about it since like I said it was the only thing I saw on the shelves in one store. Thought it could be a possible backup. However it does sound like it would make a respectable HD or Trail Gun when I can OC. Plus we all need the excuse to buy another gun don't we??

guitarguy314
January 17, 2013, 10:30 AM
I'd imagine that if you had an over abundance of money, you could have a very slim 4 shot revolver made. Low round count, but if I needed 4 45 colts...I'd want a rifle.

bsms
January 17, 2013, 11:10 AM
The only 45LC I could conceal on me would be the Bond. For the size, I'd prefer my J-frame or a Kahr 9mm. I think the 45LC is a great round, but the ammo is very expensive commercially and the guns tend to be pretty big for concealed carry.

fbks ak
January 17, 2013, 03:01 PM
Than why not do what a lot of us do here in Alaska get a good belt and
a good holster and open carry on ur hip?? Tom

Hammerdown77
January 17, 2013, 05:33 PM
S&W Model 25 Mountain Gun with boot grips is a good option, although it is a fullsize gun. Still, the 4" pencil barrel and the big holes keep it from being too obnoxious. Not a pocket gun, though.

Trad Archer
January 17, 2013, 08:30 PM
I will on occasion carry a 4 3/4" Colt SAA. It is not a gun to conceal in summer, but during cold weather months, depending on how you dress, it can be done.

pharmer
January 17, 2013, 08:32 PM
Even with thin or boot grips, this almost 3 lb bad boy ain't hiding out in your waistband. Joe
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/1pharmer/SW25-5two11610.jpg

tomrkba
January 17, 2013, 08:39 PM
It's just an S&W N-Frame sized gun. Get one with a three or four inch barrel.

Ruger has them, but they're a bit bigger. I found the Ruger Alaskan with 2 1/2" barrel in 44 Magnum to be large, but it's possible to carry with the right holster and belt.

PRM
January 17, 2013, 08:44 PM
My two favorite guns in this caliber are a 2nd Gen Colt SAA and my American Derringer Model 1.

I load my 45LCs with Black Powder...more fun than the 4th of July.

Brian Williams
January 17, 2013, 08:46 PM
I have few guns that I sold that I would like back. I had a Taurus Tracker 4" barrel in 45 Colt. It was a great carry piece. 5 shots in a K frame sized gun. It had a great trigger after much dryfiring and shot very well. Had I kept it it would have had shortened barrel to 3" and the grips replaced with some niced wood or smooth rubber. The "gripper" grips were just that, too grippy and caused cover and shirts to be bunched up.
Now Taurus has converted that whole line of compact 450 series revolvers to the extra large cylinder of the Judge.

460Kodiak
January 18, 2013, 09:53 AM
Fantastic round. IMO second only to the .357 mag for utility, though I am becoming deeply facinated by the .41 mag. CCW........ good luck. .45 cal = big guns. Open carry, sure!

Loc n Load
January 18, 2013, 02:45 PM
Bought one of those several years ago.....it weighs around 19 oz. or so.....I have carried it for years, it is frequently my "pocket" gun.....carry soft lead SWC HP's in it.....also the N frame Smith's are concealable if you dress for the gun....I carry a 4" M-29 or a M-58, with Houge grips in a CABO IWB holster
during the months when I wear a sweat shirt or jacket. The 45 LC is a time proven round.

Vern Humphrey
January 18, 2013, 04:14 PM
I have two revolvers in .45 Colt (and none in .44 Magnum.) One is a Colt New Service with a 7 1/2" barrel, the other is a Ruger Blackhawk with a 5 1/2" barrel. Neither one is exactly what you would call "concealable." But either one could be carried under a coat.

And if the open carry bill passes the legislature -- who knows, my old Colt just might be my going to town gun.:D

Deaf Smith
January 18, 2013, 10:51 PM
The 3 inch 625 in .45 LC sounds like the deal you want.

That is the top one you see below.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=177928&d=1358567481

Now it's in .45 ACP but the same gun, with just a bit longer cylinder, was made in .45 LC!

I'd be real happy to find one myself.

Deaf

orionengnr
January 19, 2013, 03:00 PM
I, too, have a 4" M25 Mountain Gun. I have EDCed it for longer periods (several months, as long as some cool weather sticks around--I need a bulky sweatshirt, jacket or some other cover garment). With a good belt and my SideGuard IWB holster, it is quite do-able, and I am not a young lad or a large one.

It can be done, but you really have to want to do it. :)

If you hand load, the .45LC is about as much fun as it gets. That big old ash-can sized case will let you load anything from mouse-fart (big mouse:)) to near-nuclear loads...plus I have a bunch of the clear blue Speer shot capsules--load your own snake or rat shot.

tpelle
January 19, 2013, 03:12 PM
Keep in mind that the .45 ACP, quite adequate as a manstopper, was designed to duplicate the ballistics of the .45 Colt (Note: It's ".45 Colt", NOT ".45 Long Colt".)

The .45 Colt could easily be made to surpass the .45 ACP since you are unrestricted as to bullet shape - as long as it fits in the cylinder you're GTG.

Kymasabe
January 19, 2013, 03:24 PM
I would think if you wanted to carry something that big, maybe a Charter Arms in .44 special would be a better choice.

Jaymo
January 19, 2013, 03:28 PM
"quite adequate as a manstopper" :D Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
That's funny. Never heard such an understatement.

Doubleobuck
January 19, 2013, 11:04 PM
Ruger makes SA .45LC with a 3 inch barrel. The Montado

Scipio Africanus
January 20, 2013, 01:41 AM
I carry a 4" 629 concealed almost every day, it can be done. A 625 would be identical in size and weight. Two caveats: I am a bigger fellow than average and I live where it is cold/cool most of the year.

The .45 Colt may be the perfect handgun cartridge for almost everything.

eldon519
January 20, 2013, 05:31 AM
If you don't mind a single action, a Freedom Arms 97 is quite a tidy 5-shot package, but they are very expensive compared to other options.

Vern Humphrey
January 20, 2013, 03:07 PM
Ruger makes SA .45LC with a 3 inch barrel. The Montado
My experience with carrying .45 Colt revolvers is that it isn't barrel length that makes them difficult to conceal, it's the diameter of the cylinder.

The best concealment holsters place the cylinder above the belt line -- essentially, only the barrel fits in the holster. With a holster like that, a somewhat longer barrel is an advantage -- it keeps the gun more securely in the holster.

Jaymo
January 20, 2013, 04:41 PM
Though I like the Judge/Governor, the longer cylinders don't help the velocity of .45 Colt ammo.
I remember a chronograph test of a 3" Judge with factory .45 Colt defensive ammo, that showed the rounds only doing about 650 fps. :(
My .45 caliber air rifle does better than that, and is a LOT quieter.

Vern Humphrey
January 20, 2013, 05:10 PM
I remember a chronograph test of a 3" Judge with factory .45 Colt defensive ammo, that showed the rounds only doing about 650 fps
Of course. The Judge, with a chamber cut for a 3" .410 shell has one heck of a lot of freebore for a .45 Colt round -- and a lot of gas blows past the bullet before it ever reaches the throat.

If Taurus (or Smith and Wesson) would build the Judge or the Governor with a cylinder sized for the .45 Colt only, I'd buy one.

Zombiphobia
January 20, 2013, 05:28 PM
Even lightly loaded .45 Colt cartridges deliver a hard punch. If you don't think that even a 180gr bullet at 800fps won't hurt a grown man, you're mistaken. But I've seen a grown, and reputably tough man in severe pain from a .22lr.. so I believe any firearm can be effective.

Poke yourself with a pencil. Does it hurt? What do you think being shot with a .45 slug feels like?

Jaymo
January 20, 2013, 06:29 PM
Vern, so would I. All that freebore doesn't help achieve target grade accuracy either. Then again, it's not a target gun.

I realize that a .45 slug at 800 fps will do some serious damage.
I prefer my .45 colt loads to be running the original 1000 fps.

Vern Humphrey
January 20, 2013, 07:48 PM
Vern, so would I. All that freebore doesn't help achieve target grade accuracy either. Then again, it's not a target gun.

I realize that a .45 slug at 800 fps will do some serious damage.
I prefer my .45 colt loads to be running the original 1000 fps.
I currently shoot .45 Colt in a Ruger Blackhawk and a Colt New Service (made in 1906). Both of these revolvers are great shooters and do anything I ask of them. As I say, if I need shot loads, I can buy or handload them, with no need for a cylinder sized for a .410.

BullSkater
January 21, 2013, 12:31 PM
I carry a 45C taurus 450TI. Most factory 250gr ammo runs around 625 fps. The barrel is 2inchs and is ported. My 2.5 inch barrel charter arms 44spl is the same size and weight as the taurus. 44 spl factory ammo gives better performance in a snub than any 45 colt ammo I have tested in the taurus. I load for my 45.

RonDeer10mm
January 21, 2013, 05:29 PM
I'd rather carry a 1911 with a heavy hardcast in .45 acp.

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