Substitute for H335?


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empty hull
January 17, 2013, 05:41 AM
I have loaded the .223 with 24.5gr of H335 to push a 55gr FMJ bullet for my AR-15 16" barrel and like the load. Due to all this Ban hipe, I can not find any H335. I have 3 books but what is a good sub to this powder. Tim

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dap22
January 17, 2013, 06:00 AM
Tim, with the current frenzy going on, you're best to look at the information in your books, write down the suggested powders and hope your local gun shop has one of them. My go to book is Lyman's 49th and for a variety of powders and projectiles I visit loaddata.com. Good luck.

Pilot
January 17, 2013, 06:48 AM
I use AA2230, but also bought some BLC-2 to try. H335 is difficult to find for sure.

Hit_Factor
January 17, 2013, 06:58 AM
Cfe223

Walkalong
January 17, 2013, 07:20 AM
BLC-2, 2230, W748, H322, TAC, X-terminator, N133.... Lots of powder work well in .223. Use appropriate data.

jfremder
January 17, 2013, 08:24 AM
I've had great sucess with an H335 equivalent pull down, WC844. Haven't bought any for a couple years, but it was $8/lb by the case in 2010

Ky Larry
January 17, 2013, 09:38 AM
The .223 is one of the easiest rounds to load. I've had good luck with AA-2460, IMR-3031, Re-10, any of the -4064s, Varget,etc. Just follow your load books.

SSN Vet
January 17, 2013, 09:39 AM
Just keep in mind that H322 is a stick powder and may not meter as well in some powder drops.

empty hull
January 17, 2013, 10:58 AM
Thanks. It is really crazy. I am going to look some more for H335 but will try different powders. The H335 has been great for me. Tim

Ifishsum
January 17, 2013, 11:28 AM
If you can find BL-C(2) it makes a great .223 load at around 26-26.5 gr behind a 52-55gr bullet. It's a ball powder just like H335 and meters like water. Luckily I bought an 8lb jug a few years ago, so I'm not sure if it's any more available right now than 335 but it's a good one.

Kingcreek
January 17, 2013, 02:38 PM
I've had good results with A2230

RustyFN
January 17, 2013, 03:16 PM
I have loaded the .223 with 24.5gr of H335 to push a 55gr FMJ bullet for my AR-15 16" barrel and like the load. Due to all this Ban hipe, I can not find any H335. I have 3 books but what is a good sub to this powder. Tim

I would try to find some WC-844. It's surplus powder that uses the same load data as H-335. I get the same results with WC-844 as I do with H-335.

ArchAngelCD
January 17, 2013, 03:21 PM
All the above suggestions are good and will work well in the 223. Too bad all the WC-844 is gone online because as you now know, it is a none canister version of H335.

Accurate Arms developed AA2230 specifically for the 223 and is probably a good choice because it's still available online. (in 8lb jugs even)

The others like CFE223, BL-C(2) and the like are also unavailable...

Searcher4851
January 17, 2013, 03:57 PM
WC-844 is a direct replacement for H-335. Same load data applies. I get mine at local gun shows.

ArchAngelCD
January 18, 2013, 01:43 AM
WC-844 is a direct replacement for H-335. Same load data applies. I get mine at local gun shows.
Didn't I just mention that just above your post? It's too bad but under the current environment there is no WC-844 available. Too bad there isn't any CFE233 available either, it's supposed to be even better than H335.

empty hull
January 18, 2013, 07:53 AM
Thanks for the input. Everything is in very short supply. Tim

Searcher4851
January 18, 2013, 08:49 AM
ArchAngel: Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you by agreeing with you. I was merely attempting to confirm for the OP that what you and RustyFN mentioned was accurate information, and to give the OP an additional avenue to pursue in an effort to locate some for sale. It's been my experience that WC-844 online has often been spotty, timing is everything, at least with the sources I know of. I was simply trying to give another possible option, since I just picked up an 8 pounder at a local gun show in December, and thought that info might help.

Walkalong
January 18, 2013, 06:00 PM
There are numerous powders out of stock online, but there is always the chance to find some elsewhere in the supply chain, namely local vendors.

I hope the powder/primer guy is at the gun show here tomorrow. I want to try some AA 4100/Ramshot Enforcer in .300 BLK.

GLOOB
January 18, 2013, 06:42 PM
Another reasonable substitute for this app I haven't seen listed yet: W748

But good luck on finding any traditional 223 powder. You might need to get more creative.

JLDickmon
January 18, 2013, 07:00 PM
another vote for BLC-2
I use VV N133 myself..

hentown
January 18, 2013, 07:19 PM
Prior to the imagined "crisis", I bought 32# of 844, which uses the same load data as H335.

ArchAngelCD
January 18, 2013, 11:39 PM
Prior to the imagined "crisis", I bought 32# of 844, which uses the same load data as H335.
That's very cool you got in before everyone went nuts and caused a self-inflected shortage. 32# should last you a while, well hopefully at least until the craziness stops.

Float Pilot
January 19, 2013, 03:32 PM
AA-2200 is being made again....

blarby
January 19, 2013, 04:16 PM
H4895

empty hull
January 20, 2013, 06:19 AM
I wish I would have seen this coming. I didn't believe we would repeat history again. I did find 2lbs of H335 yesterday and bought one and left one for someone else who may need some. One thing I have learned is to not rely on only one powder to get the job done. Tim

LivewireBlanco
January 23, 2013, 11:36 AM
Ok, this thread is exactly what I'm in need of. I'm looking to push a 55 gr fmj through my AR with a 16" barrel. I normally use 24.2gr of H335 so I'm looking for something similar (ball powder). Here's what I've found:

AA2230- looks like it's favored for lighter bullets 62gr and lower
Ramshot TAC- heavier bullets
VV N133- uses more powder but supposed to be good
BL-C(2)- Mainly a .308 powder but works with .223

I believe I'm gonna hunt for some AA223 and the others if I can't find that.

Walkalong
January 23, 2013, 01:01 PM
Since you included a small extruded powder, N133, you could try AA 2015 while your at it. Good stuff, often overlooked.

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