My Mom asks "why do you need high capacity mags"


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MacTech
January 17, 2013, 10:27 PM
I was having a little discussion with Mom tonight about firearms/the Sandy Hook thing, and obama's gun violence reduction proposals on the drive home tonight (she had to drop her car off at the dealer for repairs and I gave her a ride home)

She was saying how she didn't see the "need" for hi-cap mags, and that it made the gun "more dangerous" and "scarier", and that single shots were safer and less dangerous...

So, when we got home, I went upstairs to the gun closet (double deadbolt locks, nothing short of a tactical nuke will breach that door), grabbed my CZ 452 Scout, the single shot adapter, and a 10 round CZ mag

Mom has shot the Scout before, and enjoys it, so she's familiar with the gun.

I show her the Scout in single shot config, and she remarks that it's not scary, I then remove the SSA, and slide in the 10 shot mag, asking, okay, what about now, is it scary, or more dangerous now? It's the exact same gun, only the capacity has changed.....

That got her thinking, and she admitted that perhaps she wasn't thinking logically about the situation.....

Now, to be fair, Mom is not an anti, nor is she a fence sitter, to her, guns just *are*, they're tools that need to be treated with respect, I think she finally realized how insidious the "anti" propaganda can be....

Even better, Mom is a teacher, and expressed interest in the schools that have been teaching their educators how to shoot and defense tactics, she has admitted she wouldn't mind having either armed security on campus (college prep high school) or having authorized and trained teachers carrying, she'd be willing to be one herself :)

That came around from another discussion we had a couple weeks ago, when I asked her what the school policy was for an active shooter threat, when I summed up the school policy as "cower and hide and hope the shooter goes away", it really got her thinking

In fact, she's going to suggest having some form of armed security or teachers at her school as well (not only is she a teacher, she's also an administrator, and has been at the school for 25+ years, her words carry a lot of weight there)

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Valor35
January 17, 2013, 10:36 PM
Well done! . . . and go get 'em, Mom!! :D

JohnB
January 17, 2013, 10:38 PM
Glad to see she is coming around.

My mom (84) asked me if I had enough magazines and ammo.

wgaynor
January 17, 2013, 10:38 PM
Had a similar discussion with a friend. Stated that he's ok with a limit of how many rounds a magazine can hold.

I asked him what he thought the second amendment was about. He stated hunting and self defense. I tried to inform him that the second amendment is our only defense against a tyrannical government. He stated that we've never had to protect ourselves that way. I reminded him of the Revolutionary War and also the incident between the coal miners and the Federal Government after WWII.

He just stared at me.

Apparently I'm a right winger. He had no problem telling me about the Sandy Hook and 911 Conspiracy's though...

figment
January 17, 2013, 10:48 PM
He stated that we've never had to protect ourselves that way. .. to this the response is "see how well its worked so far?"

Havok7416
January 17, 2013, 10:52 PM
That's an excellent way to present the issue without coming off like a crazy person. I haven't had much of an issue yet in this arena but I will be sure to remember it if it comes up.

RichardU
January 17, 2013, 10:53 PM
Have her watch this:

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

Diamondback6
January 17, 2013, 11:26 PM
1. The point of larger magazines is not to shoot more, but to futz with the gun less. When adrenal dump kicks in, you're gonna gain a lotta strength and lose most fine-motor dexterity, so more in the mag means a better change of not having to fumble with reloading and risk dropping it while 400# Mongo the Merciless charges in to shove his tire-iron up your nose or somewhere similarly unpleasant...

2. It usually takes 5-7 rounds to neutralize an assailant, varying a little with caliber and shot placement if you can get it--one guy it finally took THIRTY-THREE rounds of 9mm Parabellum to stop him. Pair that with the fact that home-invaders are trending toward 2- to 4-man teams of late... 7x4=28 rounds reasonable expectation to deal with all threats assuming all are in a mood to press the encounter.

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