Anyone else not like Sig DA/SA?


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HammerheadSSN663
January 17, 2013, 10:05 PM
I have a Sig 229 and personally can't stand the 1/3" dead area in the trigger after it goes single action. I much prefer the crisp pull of a standard 45 or a smooth DA only semi.

Why did Sig (or anyone else) find it necessary to engineer in so much trigger slop after the first shot?:confused::mad:

I hate it so much so that my 229 SA/DA just sits on the shelf doing nothing while my P250 goes with me everywhere.

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Sheepdog1968
January 17, 2013, 10:22 PM
They now have a short reset trigger SRT that at least in my opinion fixes that problem. Sigs are my favorite without a doubt. What I can't get past is the transition between double action and single action. I've taken lots and lots of classes and I must have at least 16,000 rounds throu them at this point. I just dislike the da pull. For home defense, I keep a sig as a back up to the shotgun. For conceal carry, I prefer a more consisten trigger such as an XD or Glock.

skt239
January 17, 2013, 10:47 PM
I love Sigs DA/SA. The slack in the trigger does not bother me in the least bit. In fact, I'd love to have a revolver that had a DAO pull as smooth as my P239. If I owned a gun that I "hated" I would sell it. Now if I disliked it, I could probably live with it.

;)

BILLG
January 17, 2013, 11:13 PM
Its not a problem for me.If it bothers you that much sell it to someone can use it and buy someting you can use with the cash.

Bongo Boy
January 18, 2013, 01:07 AM
The only time I find any trigger of any kind to be of any concern is when I standing at the indoor range, taking my time to engage a paper target. When I'm at a match and have the least bit of adrenaline going, I could shoot the entire match and never notice the trigger at all. I shot the P220 at a fair number of IDPA matches and the last thing in the world I even knew existed was pre-travel, over-travel, mush, stack, creep, trigger weight or any other aspect of the trigger. Just doesn't matter, just isn't 'there'. In fact, so much so that I never even noticed the DA vs the SA.

What tends to frustrate me a bit is shooting the handgun from a bag and I find trouble determining where take-up ends; when there's a mushy transition, yes, that adds to the learning curve.

As far as DA/SA in general though, I'll likely choose SAO or DAO guns from here on out, and I already have one DAO auto pistol so I think I'm probably all done there. :)

tarosean
January 18, 2013, 01:18 AM
Ill give you 5 bucks for it if you hate it that much...


practice draw and cock at the same time.. problem eliminated...

Miked7762
January 18, 2013, 02:05 AM
Why did Sig (or anyone else) find it necessary to engineer in so much trigger slop after the first shot?

It's the firing pin block safety being disengaged. Keeping the firing pin channel clean as well as the firing pin block itself will minimize the effect on the trigger pull, but you'll never be completely rid of it.

Plan2Live
January 18, 2013, 07:10 AM
I'll double Tarosean's offer and give you $10 for it AND pay the shipping and FFL transfer fee.

My anology would be that I just hate the way my standard head screwdriver won't consistenly work in a phillips head screw. In other words, different situations require different tools. Given that, I'll take the advantages and disadvantages of a DA/SA trigger for those times when I feel like this action is more appropriate. As Bongo Boy says, when the adrenaline starts flowing you'll never notice the trigger.

Fishbed77
January 18, 2013, 08:41 AM
Why did Sig (or anyone else) find it necessary to engineer in so much trigger slop after the first shot?

Then get a DA/SA with a better trigger feel. I recommend the Walther P99AS.

It's single-action trigger rivals some 1911s I've shot, and the double-action trigger isn't half-bad either, just longer and heavier, but still buttery smooth.

Maybe it's just an illusion, but a good DA/SA trigger "feels" safer to me, and I shoot them better than I do "Glock-style" triggers, so you'll hear no complaints from me.

2wheels
January 18, 2013, 08:59 AM
Sounds like you need to sell off your 229.

That tiny bit of take up is either something you learn to live with or you move on to other trigger setups. It never bothered me when shooting Sigs, in fact if I was to drop 1911s and switch to DA/SA handguns, it'd be all Sig all the way. I think in the world of DA/DA autos Sig has the superior control setup with their out of the way decocker and no safety.

If you like the gun overall, just not the trigger, maybe try to trade it for a DAK P229? Very smooth double action only trigger pull.

ku4hx
January 18, 2013, 09:14 AM
I once owned a Ford Taurus that made my back hurt after an hour or so of driving. Man I hated that! Sold it and bought my first pickup truck; the first of many.

If you just can't stand the gun; sell it if dissatisfaction is that high. I'd be willing to bet there's a country full of buyers who'd love to own it.

340PD
January 18, 2013, 09:44 AM
I am an instructor. Last night we again had a group of first time shooters, following 6 hours of class-time, get on the line with a very large variety of our own handguns.
Without question, in every class we give, most accurate and easy to shoot is my Ruger MK III hunter with full Volquartsen innards.
Second place, my W.German P226 with post and dot sights. What I find particularly interesting is, I get this from both men and women first time shooters. God, I wish I had access to a pile of these guns, I could make a fortune.

bannockburn
January 18, 2013, 11:31 AM
I was never crazy about the DA/SA trigger on S&W autos but gradually over time I have become accustomed to the trigger of my SIG P-229E2. The short reset helps a lot in this regard and I find myself handling the transition from DA to SA much easier the more I shoot it.

JO JO
January 18, 2013, 11:43 AM
sig 229 is top notch, one of my favorites

OregonJohnny
January 18, 2013, 01:47 PM
I have a P220 Carry Elite Dark, that came with Sig's Short Reset Trigger (SRT). This is my first and only Sig, so I have nothing else to compare it to. But both the double and single action triggers feel great to me. I may install a slightly lighter spring for the DA trigger pull, but it's pretty good as is.

As Bongo Boy said above, the only time I really notice (or am concentrating on) the trigger reset, takeup, pull weight, etc. is when standing at an indoor range, taking my time and trying to keep my groups as tight as possible. When shooting at informal outdoor shooting pits, where I'm practicing draw, DA/SA transition, double-tap drills, malfunction drills, moving while shooting, etc., the fine little details of the trigger feel slip down the list of things I'm concentrating on.

And along these same lines, I think a DA/SA, or a DOA with a smooth but long trigger pull make ideal platforms for defensive handguns. As much as we should train to keep the finger off the trigger until sights are on target and we're ready to shoot, and as much as we'd like to think that adrenaline and panic won't effect all of this training, I think a long first trigger pull can be a benefit in a real life defensive situation.

jon86
January 18, 2013, 04:57 PM
can't stand the 1/3" dead area in the trigger after it goes single action. I much prefer the crisp pull of a standard 45 or a smooth DA only semi.

This is why I haven't bought a sig.

I like the idea of sa/da, but I can't get around that terrible single action trigger. I much prefer a revolver double action trigger. If I have single action, I don't want it with a mile of take-up. I do enjoy a 1911 trigger and the single action of most revolver triggers. If a sig had a take-up like these, I'd be all over it.

1KPerDay
January 18, 2013, 05:36 PM
The SRT and short reach trigger in my P226 is absolutely lovely. Mmmmmmm

skt239
January 18, 2013, 06:40 PM
Ill give you 5 bucks for it if you hate it that much...


practice draw and cock at the same time.. problem eliminated...

That's easier said than done. Not very safe either.

1858
January 19, 2013, 06:19 PM
I currently have three P220s (DA/SA), two P225s (DA/SA) and a P239 (DA/SA SRT) and have owned/shot SIGs for more than 20 years now and LOVE the DA/SA arrangement. I still feel that SIG offers some of the best defensive pistols available with a ~ 10lb DA trigger pull for the first shot and faster (more accurate) follow up shots in SA mode. There's no way to have a ND with that arrangement unless you're a moron, but once you've made the decision to make that first shot everything changes. I'm not sold on the need for the SRT but that's how the P239 SAS Gen 2 I have was set up. I think we get used to what we practice with and I never had an issue with the original DA/SA trigger.

Hammerdown77
January 19, 2013, 07:02 PM
Hate DA/SA. Got rid of all of mine. Sigs are great guns, but I don't want anything that's DA/SA. The first couple of shots out of the holster are critical in a defensive situation; why you'd want two completely different trigger pulls is beyond me.

But to each his own.

BILLG
January 19, 2013, 07:18 PM
It all comes down to practice those who don't like to practice usually don't like Da/Sa.With a little practice you will never notice the difference.

1858
January 19, 2013, 07:37 PM
It all comes down to practice those who don't like to practice usually don't like Da/Sa.With a little practice you will never notice the difference.

Exactly!! I've shot steel USPSA matches in two different classes in the same match. I've shot production with a SIG P220 and single stack with a 1911 and the trigger didn't make a bit of difference to my times. When the SIG clears the holster I'm stacking the trigger as I get the sights on target. As I draw the 1911 I'm sweeping off the safety as I get the sights on target.

TonyDedo
January 19, 2013, 07:51 PM
I've never been able to get behind a firearm with variable trigger pulls. My first pull should be the same as my last. I prefer a striker fire gun, but I'd even take a double action revolver than a SA/DA trigger.

cbpagent72
January 19, 2013, 07:55 PM
I use the P229DAK as my duty weapon and I have to admit that I am not a very big fan at all.

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Lonestar49
January 19, 2013, 07:56 PM
...

Just don't let the trigger go so far forward after your first DA shot..

Really a very easy trigger, system, to get the feel for with understanding entering the SA format.. < about that much and you're GTG


Ls

The Lone Haranguer
January 19, 2013, 07:56 PM
I don't because the DA stroke is too long, combined with a long reach to it. I like the pull of the CZ decocking models better. The Sig's SA pull is much better than my CZ's "crunchy" one, however.

1858
January 19, 2013, 08:01 PM
I use the P229DAK as my duty weapon and I have to admit that I am not a very big fan at all.

I've shot a SIG with the DAK trigger and it was ok but I still much prefer the DA/SA over the DAK.

The bottom line is that if you practice it really doesn't matter what trigger you use. Muscle memory is your friend.

420Stainless
January 19, 2013, 08:17 PM
I like the trigger on my 229. The grip is slightly too big for me, but I like the way the DA/SA trigger works just fine.

pat701
January 20, 2013, 09:22 AM
I love the DA/SA. Try the SP2022 trigger it is the best trigger Sig has come out with.

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