[rtaylor71]

Like most of you good people on this forum, I am a gun enthusiast. My dad taught me from a very young age, and it happens that I was bitten by a bigger bug than he when it comes to liking a variety of firearms, collecting, handloading for them, so on so on. I received extensive handgun training in the military and have done much research and experimenting since then. I say this not to classify myself as an expert by any means, but only to get across that I have a solid background.

I never had a desire to go out and buy a Taurus firearm. They just didn't seem (to me) on the level with Colt, S&W, and the like. This in spite of years at the range having NEVER seen a Taurus malfunction. Then came the Judge!

I had some funds burning a hole in my pocket and saw one at a local sporting goods store. I bought it and headed home to look up some reviews. (Backward, I know!) One writer whom I hold in high regard wrote that the Judge wasn't even worthy of a review because of lack of accuracy. I had to find out for myself, so today I took my new Judge to the range with some .410 shells (size 8 shot) and some .45 Colt I loaded myself. The shotshell loads performed like one would expect - spreading nicely an packing a pretty good wallop! Then I did an accuracy test with the .45 Colt loads and shot every round DOUBLE action.

http://s583.beta.photobucket.com/user/rtaylor71/media/IMG_1701_zps9f600554.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

I shot 4 groups of 5 shots and was I ever impressed! I can't explain why some others (who have a LOT more knowledge than I) have not had a good experience, but mine was excellent! I could hardly believe my eyes at 25 yards, but there it was!

Being a close range weapon with a 3" barrel, it is more accurate than it needs to be and I would have no problem trusting it for protection or any other activity involving a handgun. Anyone doubting this Judge should think twice, lest he be held in contempt!

Comments welcome and encouraged. Thanks everyone!

[silicosys4]

looks like fun

[Havok7416]

I have owned a Judge for several years now and my experience has been much similar to yours. It patterns buckshot extremely well, usually covering an area the size of my (small) fist. From what I have heard many people do not like the guns because they are Taurus products or because they think the gun is a gimmick.

You didn't mention that you shot any buckshot through it but if you haven't I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Just be sure to stick to the Federal .410 handgun loads or the Winchester PDX. Winchester 3 pellet buckshot patterns to the edges of a human silhouette at 7-10 yards.

[scaatylobo]

I am one of those that has handled and shot one and has NO reason to get one or shoot another one.

Too heavy first of all.

Larger than a S&W 'N' frame AND badly balanced at least in mnsho.

Shoots a 'shot shell' and I see the only use would be if your deathly afraid of snakes and dont know how to avoid them [ I do and have for 65 years ].

The buckshot is not defendable in a court as there is the very good possibility that a single ball might not hit the intended target and harm/kill a innocent.

I would LOVE - yes LOVE to see the Taurus poly framed model made in a shorter cylinder so as to allow only .45 colt rounds to be used.

That would be one of THE best CQB or BUG revolvers on the market.

You could have 5 rounds of one of THE best manstoppers .45 LC [ or game too ] on your belt or ankle.

I am of the belief that a pistol [ handgun ] should fire one projectile at a time and that I [ the shooter ] am RESPONSIBLE for all rounds fired.

[Havok7416]

Scaatylobo, you are of course entitled to your opinion but I would like to point out that the Judge - my Judge anyway - produces very tight groups with buckshot that are more than sufficient for in-home protection IMO. I do whole-heartedly agree with your statements about carrying a Judge though. They are too big and heavy for that role, but that is also not what they were designed for.

[hAkron]

How impractical would it be to try to hit a clay pigeon at 16 yards? I would get one if I could use it for that.

[rtaylor71]

Scaatylobo I have some guns for specific purposes and some in the recreational category. I sure understand your point of view - it is too heavy for CCW. The long cylinder makes it a little front-heavy and although it shouldn't be a problem at a few feet, buckshot could surely cause one some civil trouble if not criminal. I think it does make a great trail gun, especially here in West Texas where the rattlesnake population is pretty dense! I personally like it because it's just plain FUN to shoot!

I would LOVE to see Taurus come out with a poly frame .45 Colt too . . . fun AND practical!

Thanks everyone for your opinions!

[rtaylor71]

hAkron -
You might hit it, but out of that 3" barrel at 16 yards you might not break it! LOL

[rtaylor71]

Havok7416 - I'm going to be looking at Taurus products differently from now on, myself. The fit and finish on my Judge is excellent!

I haven't put any buckshot through her yet, but I'll definitely try some of the loads you mentioned. With this current ammo scare, .410 is one thing that my local store has plenty of!

[scaatylobo]

I thank you for the comments and I see that your a man of rare intelligence.

You see the wisdom of Taurus making a .45 LC poly frame that would be THE most amazing BUG or primary for those that EDC a wheel gun.

I am totally surprised that its not in the works already.

Also to the O.P. sorry but I misinterpreted your liking of this item.

I thought it was for EDC,I am still not in favor of it as a house gun for liability reasons.

But thats just me being a retired LEO and seeing too many lawsuits.

btw,my "house gun" is my EDC = a Glock 23 or a Kimber 45 acp.

Got very used to carrying one as LEO and doing possibly as many as a few thousand building clearings with it.

[Havok7416]

Havok7416 - I'm going to be looking at Taurus products differently from now on, myself. The fit and finish on my Judge is excellent!

I haven't put any buckshot through her yet, but I'll definitely try some of the loads you mentioned. With this current ammo scare, .410 is one thing that my local store has plenty of!
Don't hesitate to give us a range report when you do!:cool:

[Jaymo]

Snake guns aren't just for those who are "deathly afraid of snakes and don't know how to avoid them".
Unlike NY, the South has a LOT of venomous snakes and a lot longer snake season.
Copperheads, cottonmouths, and rattlers are huge problems in many areas down here.
Copperheads are very often unavoidable and have perfect camouflage for the forest floor. I even had one crawl across my foot while standing in my buddy's driveway one night, after a pool party. No way to avoid one that crawls on top of your foot in the dark, where you can't see it.
I like snakes. I avoid venomous snakes when possible. It's not always possible.

BTW, my Judge is a lot of fun to shoot.
I guess a shotgun isn't defensible for defensive uses either, since those pesky pellets may hit someone other than the intended target.
Something to consider.
I haven't carried my Judge for SD, because I don't have a LH CC holster for it.
If I did, it would either be with Federal Judge loads or Buffalo Bore .45 Colt ammo.
If Federal would load their .45 Colt SWCHP as hot as they should, I would carry it with that load.

It's also a lot of fun to shoot with .410 ringed loads/cut shells. The .452 OD of the .410 shell is a perfect fit for the .452 bore.
It's like a long, wadcutter shaped Glaser Safety Slug.

[Brian Williams]

Warning, The Judge is not rated for this statement mentioned in the post above.[/SIZE]If I did, it would either be with Federal Judge loads or Buffalo Bore .45 Colt ammo.
If Federal would load their .45 Colt SWCHP as hot as they should, I would carry it with that load.

[scaatylobo]

I am sorry but I missed your point.

If you cant see them until its too late = do you shoot one on your foot ?.

I think you might do that only once.

A shotgun with 00 buck would not spread anywhere near as wide as would a short barreled handgun that has enough rifling at the end of the barrel [ to make it legal ] that it would make shooting 00 buck as a joke past 25'.

Since its IMPOSSIBLE to know the distance you might need to take a shot,I say that carrying a S/D pistol that cannot do precision shooting possible is a lawsuit .

I am much too responsible a shooter to carry such a tool.

[Airbrush Artist]

One things for Sure if You have a Judge for Home Protection and the bad Guy is coming down your hallway to your bedroom to do His Evil and you Confront him and Do what "YOU" need to do ,It will be the last hallway he walks down..I fired one yesterday with 410 for the first time and It is an amazing firearm...CCW I'd have to pass with the Good Judge...

[Jaymo]

Actually, Buffalo Bore makes standard pressure .45 Colt defensive ammo that is safe for use in ALL .45 Colt guns, per the BB website.
I wasn't talking about their rip-snortin hunting loads.
Plus, have you seen how weak the Federal .45 Colt SWCHP load is? It's barely above Cowboy Action velocities. Speer Gold Dot .44 Special is hotter.
I am NOT advocating the use of +P ammo in the Judge. I am advocating original black powder power levels, which the Federal SD ammo I have for mine, falls short of.

Scatylobo, would I take some #12 birdshot to the foot, as opposed to copperhead venom?
You bet your sweet arse, I would. Have you seen what pit viper venom does to human flesh? Copperheads are deadly.
Tasty, too. Never said I'd waste said dead pit viper. I don't believe in killing snakes randomly, but if you had the experience with them, that we do in the South, you'd see it differently.
Besides, what am I supposed to do with a deadly pit viper that is in my back yard where my children play, and my dog goes to do her business? Give it a stern verbal warning?
Try to relocate it?

Re: shooting buckshot past 25'. If you're shooting someone past 25', you're going to have a damned hard time convincing a prosecutor or a grand jury that it was self defense.

Forgive me if I don't carry my venomous snake catching gear with me when I'm hunting 4 legged mammals.
Going around a copperhead that you may manage to see in time to avoid stepping on it, isn't always an option. Should I retreat, and abort my hunting or hiking, just because of a deadly animal.
Killing an animal that poses a threat to me, my friends, my family, or my expensive hunting dog is NOT wrong.
Copperheads are in NO danger of going extinct.
Besides, as I said, I do cook them and eat them, just as I would deer, hogs, squirrels, rabbits, birds, frogs, turtles, alligators, fish, crayfish, etc.
Why is it ok for me to kill and eat animals that don't pose a threat to my life and limbs, but not ok to do the same to one that does?
As I'd rather not engage in a battle of urination on the public forum, if our conversation cannot remain civil, we can take it to PM.
But don't be too surprised if I ignore it.
We're going to have to agree to disagree.
Ya see, I can't tell you the best ways to deal with whatever perils you may encounter in the woods of NY, any more than you can tell me the best ways to deal with those I encounter in GA.
To think otherwise, is foolish and arrogant.

BACK ON TOPIC, my judge is little more than a range toy/fun woods gun. Up close, it does the job on whatever target I select. I have no illusions of it being the "be all, end all" of anything. I bought it just because I could. I needed no more reason than that.
I have no 100% practical reason to own it. I'm ok with that.

Mr Mod, I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post and felt the need to do some damage control. I should have pointed out the fact that BB does make rounds suitable for it.
I would NEVER (not more than once, anyway) attempt to shoot Ruger Only rounds from da Judge. I personally think the revolver would survive. Possibly, in one piece. But it would be a bad thing to do to something I spent my money purchasing.

IF Taurus made a revolver the same size as the Judge, but with a shorter, .45 Colt only, cylinder and a 3" barrel, I would carry it. It would be essentially a .45 Colt version of a Charter Bulldog.
I see no problem with 1,000 fps loads out of that platform.
However, they don't, so I won't. Once again, the Charter comes to the rescue.

www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=268

[Vern Humphrey]

I have to agree with the naysayers:

If I need shotgun performance, I'll get a shotgun.

If I need shotshells for snakes, I can buy or handload shotshells in .45 Colt.

If I buy a handgun, I want it optimized for the cartridge I use, not a compromise.

If I am going to carry a handgun, i don't want a lot of non-functional metal weighting it down and making it clumsy to holster.

[Shadow 7D]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot53.htm
Rifle barrel + shot = donuts...(considered that a shotshell uses an enclosed cup, vs. a open wad designed to quickly operate from the shot column)
shot shell slug vs. metallic cartridge...
4. Even at 7 yards, the pattern of the Judge is too wide, and will cause some of the load to miss a bad guy. Not only are you responsible for every pellet you send down range, but if they miss him, they do not Stop him.

the Judge is a gun that does NOTHING WELL
what more is there to add?

[Vern Humphrey]

At the risk of arising the ire of the True Believers, I repeat what I first said when the Judge appeared on the market: "A bad idea, poorly executed."

[Jaymo]

Ahh, yes. The Box O'pinions. Everything from those tests must be gospel, and must be the only possible conclusion to any shooting test.
Trouble is, their test coincides with some other tests I've seen, and contradicts other tests I've seen.
But, since they call it The Box O'truth, it must be gospel. Trouble is, you aren't going to be shooting someone through 4 layers of denim, and the 12 inch penetration is an FBI standard for LE personnel, not average citizens. Ya see, the FBI is taking into account the likelihood of having to shoot through light barriers, such as walls, doors, and car doors/windows/windshields.
Those are variables that we are not likely to encounter.
Does the Judge pattern like a shotgun at long ranges? No. It's not possible.
Did I buy it for long range shotgunning? No.

Some of the tests I've seen show it patterning well out to about 10 yards with the Federal Judge load. That's further than I would use it in SD.
The odds are, I'd never use it in SD, other than in the main hallway of my house.
It's not an ideal carry revolver for me.


I realize I seem somewhat contradictory. That's because I'm realistic about it, neither a fanboy nor a "hater". I like it for what it is, and don't think it's anything more than what it is.
It's a lot of fun to shoot, and holds a LOT more birdshot than a .44/.45 snakeshot load.

[Shadow 7D]

True Believers will never never listen
just hope they actually carry something useful
it's a toy, somebody found something new to sell and has done so.

[Jaymo]

I'm happy that you're happy not owning one.
I'm happy owning one. What's the problem with that?
"True Believer"?

[Shadow 7D]

It works (and that actually is something of an engineering feat)
pretty well, it's the compromises that kill it, a shot gun does the shotgun thing SO MUCH BETTER
a 45 colt does pistol so much BETTER

I admit it works, and for what it is, it is
most of the problems is how the gun is represented
lets not forget the ads.

[Jaymo]

I view all ads as BS, intended to deceive me into parting with my money.
All handguns are compromises.
Yes, the Judge is a bit of a Jack of all trades and master of none.
It's also a lot of fun to shoot.
I can't carry a shotgun on my hip.

[Vern Humphrey]

I can't carry a shotgun on my hip.
True. Consider the corollary -- if you can carry it on your hip, it isn't a shotgun.

If I need shot shells, I can buy or handload very effective ones in .45 Colt.

[Jaymo]

Well, actually, I can carry my Pedersoli 20 gauge Howdah pistol on my hip. It's a LOT more effective than any .410 load or .45 snakeshot load.
It's also over 4 pounds and the most fun I've ever had with one hand.
The problem with the CCI .45 snakeshot loads is that they use #9 shot and they don't pattern very well, even at very close range. I like #12 shot for snake shot loads.
Like I said. Da Judge is just a fun gun for me. I like it. Not everyone does.
I don't like Glocks, but I don't get upset by those who do.

[Shadow 7D]

Like I said. Da Judge is just a fun gun for me. I like it. Not everyone does.
I don't like Glocks, but I don't get upset by those who do.

Right go back to the OP, or read through these 'Judge is the best gun ever'
threads

After a while, explaining the limitations of .410, why there are issues with .45 colt loads in it (long lead, pressure etc.)

that no matter how much Taurus has paid for TV ads, that doesn't make it a good personal defense do everything gun, nor is worth a damn as a 'bear gun'...

but as a HEAVY plinker, or snake charming, sure, does that fine.

[Jaymo]

My bear gun is a Marlin .444P loaded with 310 grain hard cast Lee wide flat points.
My backup to that is a Marlin 1894P loaded with 310 grain hard cast Lee wide flat points.
My backup to that is a Ruger Redhawk shooting the same 310 grainers.
My backup to that is a Taurus 44 shooting the same 310 grainers.
My backup to that is Buckingham. As in climbing spurs and saddle.:)

Unless it's BP season. Then my bear gun is a TC Renegade .50 caplock, backed up by the Pedersoli Howdah shooting heat treated .61 caliber roundballs, backed up by my ROA, backed up by a Cold Steel 1917 US Naval cutlass, backed up by Buckingham.
If I'm treed, I have a wrist rocket slingshot for protection. We all know how deadly they are. ;)

I heard that Taurus is going to make a 5 shot revolver that fires Sidewinder missiles.
It's going to be the ultimate defensive gun.;)

[Shadow 7D]

I heard that Taurus is going to make a 5 shot revolver that fires Sidewinder missiles.
It's going to be the ultimate defensive gun.;)

tee he he
na, still gonna complain, minimum arming distance... loss of track, lock time...

[Jaymo]

na, still gonna complain, minimum arming distance... loss of track, lock time...

That part will be left out of the commercials;)
They'll show a carjack victim blowing up a blue whale.

[rtaylor71]

I didn't think my amateur review would spark such a debate . . . a far reaching, spirited one at that!

It's all great stuff, gentlemen. I thank you all!

[Paladin7]

I looked at the Judge vs the S&W Governor for a buddy of mine.

Based on that analysis, he went with the Governor, mainly due to S&W's better QC, 6 round option, and ability to use 45 acp with moon clips.

After shooting the Governor, which is a light weight frame gun, I have to say that I'm very skeptical on it.

For defense, for either gun, I'd go with 45 ACP for the Governor and 45 Colt for the Judge.

I don't believe the .410 is very useful and I'm not impressed with the new PDX round based on some initial testing.

I did find with the Governor that after shooting 45 ACP and then shooting 410, I experienced sticky extraction of the 410 rounds. I believe the Judge would have this problem as well and it is normal but good to know.

Shooting 45 ACP was odd. The sound made by the gun was different as the shorter round traveled through the longer cylinders and barrel. One thing that was impressive was how light the recoil was, which is good. I'd like to chronograph some 45 acp rounds and see what is lost by shooting the shorter ACP loads through the longer cylinders.... just a thought.

Either would be a fun gun for me, but one that I would not rely on for serious social purposes.

[Shadow 7D]

Paladin
Of course the recoil is light, you are practically throwing a BB down a sewer pipe
the part to be impress on is that it works...

[farm23]

I do not have a Judge or a S&W governor but have shot both + a Bond 45/410. All have a purpose but when I am in the woods my 44 mag is what I carry. Here in the mountains we have a fair number of rattlers but I can jump faster than draw and fire. My friend swears by his S&W and another friend likes his Judge but both are big. I like all of the above but will probably not purchase any.

[s4s4u]

The shotshell loads performed like one would expect - spreading nicely an packing a pretty good wallop!

This is kind of a vague assessment, no? I would like to see how it patterns at distance. Do you have any targets shot with 410's at 10 yards, 15 yards, etc?

[rtaylor71]

Yes, it's pretty vague. I really wrote the review to refute the bad accuracy reports regarding the Judge I've read and heard. Having a 3" barrel, how can it help but have a large spread past 5 yards or so? With that in mind, I pretty much disregarded shotshell performance.

As far as I'm concerned, the Judge is a .45 Colt which happens to fire .410 shells - instead of the other way around.

[hipoint]

I have had a judge and a circuit judge as well as a taurus .357 with 6 inch barrel (can't remember the exact model) The judge itself was the best of the 3, but I think they were all pretty bad. It seems that taurus/rossi has quality control issues, hence guys who like them and guys who claim they're junk. I'm still willing to give the company a try, but ONLY with a gun that I can fire a box of shells through before purchasing. No more new taurus/rossi for me.

I'm sure they have to make good guns, otherwise no one would like them, I just seem to pick the bad ones. That said I like my rugers :rolleyes: although they too seem to have their bad production days as well.... I think any gun company is going to put out some lemons...

I have owned a number of Hi-points as well, do not at the moment and most likely won't again, but only because I don't like their design features, not because of reliability or accuracy.

I've found that buying good condition used stuff tends to have better results than new. That way you can give it a go at the range, and you know it's already been broken in so anything that's gonna break right away has already done so.

[farm23]

Update, the friend who had the Judge has sold it and bought a Governor. He thinks the quality is better and like the extra round.

[JFrame]

Update, the friend who had the Judge has sold it and bought a Governor. He thinks the quality is better and like the extra round.

FWIW -- I love firing my Governor. I think your friend will be happy with his. :)


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[JFrame]

Shooting 45 ACP was odd. The sound made by the gun was different as the shorter round traveled through the longer cylinders and barrel. One thing that was impressive was how light the recoil was, which is good. I'd like to chronograph some 45 acp rounds and see what is lost by shooting the shorter ACP loads through the longer cylinders.... just a thought.

Just to get you started with accumulating some data -- these are numbers that Wiley Clapp posted in the March, 2012, issue of American Rifleman:

Velocity tested at 12':

Federal No. GMA45A 230-gr. Match FMJ -- 739 fps, 279 ft/lbs.
Black Hills 230-gr. JHP -- 832 fps, 354 ft/lbs.

Average groups at 25 yards:

Federal No. GMA45A 230-gr. Match FMJ -- 3.20"
Black Hills 230-gr. JHP -- 3.06"


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[tomrkba]

I shot two of them. Both jammed with 410 ammunition. The cylinder had to be hit very hard in order to open the action. Both performed very, very well with 45 Colt. One was exceptionally accurate with 45 Colt and put all five rounds into a 3/4" to 1" group at 25 feet. The Judge with 410 buckshot is useless. It was barely "minute of torso" (20" tall x 12" wide pattern) at 7 yards and none of the pellets hit a vital area. This is very dangerous for bystanders in an actual shooting situation.

I think there are better guns out there for 45 Colt. Personally, I'd choose a S&W Model 25 over a Judge.

[suemarkp]

Whose buckshot were you using? The only one the seems to work is the Personal Defense loading from Federal (4 pellets of copper plated 00 Buck). All the standard buckshot loads seem to squish when being fired and pancake to around .45 diameter (the last ball being flattened the most). This makes them scatter and reduces penetration.

I tried the Remington PD load too, and it wasn't as good as the Federal load but not near as bad as the classic 410 buckshot loadings.

[Havok7416]

Federal .410 handgun ammo was engineered specifically for the Judge. I have yet to see a Judge pattern poorly using that ammunition.

[MarshallDodge]

Add me to the list of "I don't get it."

Compared to a revolver chambered in 357 magnum, the Judge is heavy and large, and is chambered in a cartridge that doesn't really do anything a 357 can't do, including shotshells for snakes.

I see nothing in this thread that can convince me to run out and buy an oversized pistol.

[s4s4u]

I pretty much disregarded shotshell performance.



Not so fast. A .410 blast to the chest will leave a mark. It could be made into a "practical" shotgun if they wanted to.

[Shadow 7D]

Not so fast. A .410 blast to the chest will leave a mark. It could be made into a "practical" shotgun if they wanted to.
Go look up
Shotgun rifled barrel
and come back when you realize the problem (hint, a cops favorite food...)

[tomrkba]

These guns sell because of good marketing and general ignorance about self-defense. I won't have a *defense* gun that requires very specific ammunition. They are inefficient platforms for 45 Colt.

Box of Truth:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

The tests do not duplicate the conditions of a body engaged in a fight. However, you can use it as a comparison tool. Go look to see how 357 Magnum and 45 ACP do against The Box of Truth.

Frankly, after shooting The Judge, I thought it was merely a gimmick gun. They make money. Get one if you want one for fun, but be smarter than the marketing team at Taurus when you choose a firearm for defensive use.

[tomrkba]

These guns sell because of good marketing and general ignorance about self-defense. I won't have a *defense* gun that requires very specific ammunition. They are inefficient platforms for 45 Colt. I am responsible for each projectile that leaves my gun. If the shot will not stay on target at self-defense distances, then that round is not suitable for the purpose. I will not have the time to change loads when a fight starts, so 45 Colt is the way to go with The Judge.

Box of Truth:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

The tests do not duplicate the conditions of a body engaged in a fight. However, you can use it as a comparison tool. Go look to see how 357 Magnum and 45 ACP do against The Box of Truth.

I did forget to mention both guns needed serious trigger work. I found the stock triggers were not smooth at all and required too much concentration to use easily.

Frankly, after shooting The Judge, I thought it was merely a gimmick gun. They make money. Get one if you want one for fun, but be smarter than the marketing team at Taurus when you choose a firearm for defensive use.

[JFrame]

These are Wiley Clapp's shooting results (again, American Rifleman, March 2012) for the .410 bore from the Governor at 5 yards with a cumulative 5-shot string:

Federal 2 1/2" 000 (4) buckshot: 4" ring (19 balls), 8" (1 ball), 12" (0 balls)

Remington 2 1/2" 000 (4) buckshot: 4" ring (6 balls), 8" (9 balls), 12" (5 balls)

Winchester 2 1/2" Defense Discs (3) BB shot (12): 4" ring (3/15), 8" (12/0), 12" (18/0)

I've only fired one cylinder-full of the .410 Federal Premium Self Defense load (at 5 yards), but they approximated Clapp's results -- I would guesstimate a 3 1/2" grouping of balls to POA.


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[Ludlow Porch]

Well I really like my Judge, Public Defender. I bought it mostly to carry along with my tackle box. But I cc it some loaded with 45 LC. Say what you want it is fun to shoot! That is all the reason you need to purchase a Judge, enjoyment of firing a weapon. Gun snobs can and will disagree, go ahead if we all agreed the world would be boring.

If you have ever walked through a cow pasture along the South Chickamauga Creek, in July or August with broom sage up to your chest you would understand how practical of a weapon it is.