Think I figured out why Cuomo came up with 7


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Tinker
January 18, 2013, 10:39 PM
I've been wondering why Cuomao (not a typo :) ) came up with the 7 round mag limit.

Think about it.....what is just as American as apple pie, Coca-cola and Chevrolet? A Browning 1911. I'm, unfortunatly, not a 1911 owner, but I believe 7 was the original mag capacity on the originals, right? He had to stop at that number. Just think about the bad PR he would have had to hack through infringing on that territory. The sidearm that helped the Greatest Generation stop Hitler. A true American icon. That might have even drawn a long stare from non-gun folk.

Our side could have dragged up surviving WWII war heroes to make him look bad. NRA doctored clips of Saving Private Ryan and he only has five shots, etc.

The marxists hate that we have anything larger than a Red Ryder, secretly. Take the Glocks as an example. The libs jumped on that with all three feet when it came out of the gate: "It is totally plastic and is invisible to airport security scanners.....holds 399 rounds.....is radioactive.....is the ideal crime/highjacker gun and needs to be banned......NOW!", etc.

What do you folks think?

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cl4de6
January 18, 2013, 10:50 PM
I would not be surprised if this were the exact reason.

On the other hand, it is also possible that someone on his staff had a 1911 and that person said: "Whoa, Andy. That gun was my granddad's!"

I've often wondered why Chicago came up with a 12 round limit when they could have come up with anything or went down to 10 like most of the reduced capacity states. The only thing I can think of was that somebody on the Mayor's staff owned an HK45.

Hey, an Assemblyman in NJ submitted a proposal to bring us down to 5. And we are fighting it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T37x7DVciYI

carbuncle
January 18, 2013, 11:12 PM
My guess was that they figured this would be a de facto ban as it wipes out the magazine supply for any double stack gun and the number is so odd that companies would have to tool up specifically for NYS, which is probably not in the cards.

Kiln
January 18, 2013, 11:24 PM
My guess was that they figured this would be a de facto ban as it wipes out the magazine supply for any double stack gun and the number is so odd that companies would have to tool up specifically for NYS, which is probably not in the cards.
This.

They picked seven rounds because everybody already had ten rounds.

Next it'll be five rounds, then three, then single shots, then only airsoft guns. Welcome to the United Kindom of America.

goldie
January 18, 2013, 11:39 PM
(an Assemblyman in NJ submitted a proposal to bring us down to 5.)Im really getting sick of this crap,this needs to stop! We are in the worst era of gun control in the 200 year history of this country.We are heading back to 1775 real fast....

Solo
January 19, 2013, 12:15 AM
Five? Heck, we should support them restricting it to one. That makes it easier for the law to be overturned in court.

Tom from WNY
January 19, 2013, 12:31 AM
Unfortunately, the more common .45 ACP magazines for the full size pistol are now 8 round. However, you have something here....since the 1911 is my all time favorite, that's a plus; for what it's worth. Another 7 round is my Kel-Tec pieces.

The capacity restriction still stinks. .22 lr handguns are mostly 10 round, my full size 9mm's are about useless now.

If the intent was to eliminate concealed carry; the SAFE act will actually encourage it; most subcompacts are 7 round or less; the new Springfield XDs is a 5 round .45 ACP (and is looking quite good about now).

4D5
January 19, 2013, 01:01 AM
I live in the great state of Nevada and would like to comment. Here in NV we continue to live under the constitution unencumbered by zealots.

Tom from WNY

If the intent was to eliminate concealed carry; the SAFE act will actually encourage it

At face value that may appear to be true. But with this draconian law also came the change that permits are no longer good until revoked, to must renew every 5 years and it's based on shall issue. That opens the door for long delays, justifying "need" and paying fees every 5 years.

And, like any good gun banner, I don't see Cuomo going out and hiring addition staff to accommodate the huge increase in workload required to process permits; now everyone in the entire state of NY at the same time every 5 years from Jan 16, 2013.

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Sun195
January 19, 2013, 02:26 PM
That's my thinking also - can't ban Grandpa's handgun. But, today it's seven, tomorrow it's ??

JERRY
January 19, 2013, 02:32 PM
you cannot rationalize socialism.

jrmiddleton425
January 19, 2013, 02:56 PM
I hate to say it, but my NRA field rep knows Dean Skelos, who wrote the bill. He has a large collection of 1911 pistols. He has no problem banning everyone else's gun, as long as HIS aren't banned.

powder
January 19, 2013, 02:56 PM
Well, first start with a good premise: Chevrolet is a Chinese/Asian company now, that stole TARP money to build factories in China, India, and South Korea. If there was a gun that "won" WWII, I don't think it was a pistol, though the 1911 has beautiful history therein.

Cuomao ( I really like that) has no logical reasoning in what he does or does not do; such is the way of criminals and their paths.

So, here's a nit-picking legal ? for you NYers: Is there a mag. conversion kit which makes 10 rders into 7s, which is legal? ....or does everything have to be a factory produced 7 rder?





Think about it.....what is just as American as apple pie, Coca-cola and Chevrolet? A Browning 1911. I'm, unfortunatly, not a 1911 owner, but I believe 7 was the original mag capacity on the originals, right? He had to stop at that number. Just think about the bad PR he would have had to hack through infringing on that territory. The sidearm that helped the Greatest Generation stop Hitler. A true American icon. That might have even drawn a long stare from non-gun folk.

eldon519
January 19, 2013, 03:03 PM
Isn't Kimber based in NY? Maybe they wanted to try to protect their sales.

Arbo
January 19, 2013, 03:07 PM
His reasoning is immaterial, the whole idea of a mag capacity limit is pointless nonsense.

If the courts don't shoot it down in NY, I know quite a few people that are already look at property in other states... NY will lose out in the end.

Bigdog57
January 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
Maybe Cuomo carries a Nagant revolver - seven rounds. A commie pistol for a commie Governor. ;)

<Note: No disrespect to the venerable Nagant, I like mine. And my Colt M1991A1 likes it's 8-round magazines.>

thevolkp
January 19, 2013, 03:52 PM
His IQ?

avs11054
January 19, 2013, 04:03 PM
I don't get the Cuomao joke...oh...Mao...I just got it.

Ehtereon11B
January 19, 2013, 04:35 PM
Corporate Office
Kimber Mfg. Inc.
555 Taxter Road, Suite 235
Elmsford, NY 10523

Kimber is based in NY. I am sure the Governor would have made it under 5 rounds. But like all politicians he likes money, taxes, and businesses.

Tinker
January 19, 2013, 06:05 PM
Y'all will have to forgive my ignurnce about 1911's, like I said. I shot a buddy's years ago, once. I came into service pistols last year on the Koolaid train. :) Hope I can afford to remedy that one day.

Now that y'all mention Kimber I bet that was also a factor.....Cuomo's body guard overhears mention of a five round limit and points out that his personal, NY made pistol only holds 7. The guard is a former snake eater who's grandad carried the hallowed GI issue .45 in WWII, etc. Cuomo: "Didn't think about that.....that might be too big a bite."

Rustler
January 19, 2013, 06:21 PM
They could not count past 7 -

BHP FAN
January 19, 2013, 06:55 PM
Today, 10:56 AM #11
jrmiddleton425
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Posts: 28 I hate to say it, but my NRA field rep knows Dean Skelos, who wrote the bill. He has a large collection of 1911 pistols. He has no problem banning everyone else's gun, as long as HIS aren't banned.

This.

Jim K
January 19, 2013, 07:31 PM
They wanted to include the M1 rifle and the SKS in the ban, as well as the Johnson, the Ljungman, G43 and dozens of other rifles Cuomo saw as a "threat" to his rule.

Jim

joeschmoe
January 19, 2013, 08:12 PM
Yup, the Garand is 8, and scary. Tyrants have been scared of the Garand since 1935. They should be.

goldie
January 19, 2013, 10:12 PM
They make 5 rd enbloc clips for the garand;Now its N.Y. legal.:rolleyes:

xXxplosive
January 19, 2013, 10:16 PM
IMO...........round all these asshats up and tar & feather'em.

tactikel
January 19, 2013, 11:55 PM
Their goal is to divide us. Segment us into 5 groups and ban each group until there is no private handgun ownership. First the double stack autos, then any auto, then six guns, rim fires, then single shots. They are very patient.
Remember what Rham Emanual Mayor of Chicago and former BHO advisor once said " never let a crisis go to waste" a more cynical idealog never existed. :fire:

winterhorse290
January 20, 2013, 09:55 AM
i don,t like 30 rd mags, they are heavy and throw off my balance a little. but if they made a reliable 60, i,d want one. belt fed would be even better

Creature
January 20, 2013, 09:59 AM
Personally, I figured it was based on what the legislature thought was the most common deer hunting rifle, the Winchester 94 in 30-30. My guess is that NY makes a fair amount of money selling deer hunting tags.

burk
January 21, 2013, 05:35 PM
I'm thinking more that it's twice the size of his............:rolleyes:

MilsurpShooter
January 21, 2013, 07:24 PM
Aww we finally get an FAQ on how the law will effect us.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

jbrown50
January 21, 2013, 08:25 PM
Why 7 ?

1. Cuomo wants to bring casinos to New York state via Coney Island and contemplates having to make another shady deal to get it done.
2. Cuomo wants to tighten gun laws further for law abiding citizens in order to better protect the interests of his mobster buddies.

Hence: crap & shooters go together, so.........7.

railroadman
January 21, 2013, 11:48 PM
I WOULD NOT LIVE IN NY FOR FREE RENT.I moved to FLA.when I retired.Just gus I can I have a PPS 43-c 4 35 rds 4 mags Ruger p89 15 shot Ruger 10 22 50 shot drum.Make plans to get out of NY.FLA. is in America,God save the USA

Kiln
January 22, 2013, 01:40 AM
Aww we finally get an FAQ on how the law will effect us.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq
Q: What if I have a magazine that can contain more than ten rounds?

A: You can permanently modify the magazine so that it holds no more than ten rounds, responsibly discard it, or sell it to a dealer or an out of state purchaser by January 15, 2014.

Q: Is there any background check required for purchasers of ammunition?

A: No. The background check requirement does not take effect until January 15, 2014.

Background check requirement for AMMO? Wow. Registration wasn't enough, nor was raping the mag capacities of the populous.

goldie
January 22, 2013, 09:30 AM
& there is nothing set up to do the backround check on ammo,register the guns,nothing is in place & might take months if not years.They issued leisure passes for a county run range,it took almost 2 years from the time they made everyone get this pass untill the system was up & running.Cant do the nics system, its federal, has nothing to do with ammo in NYS.Talk about biting off more than they can chew...

MilsurpShooter
January 22, 2013, 05:06 PM
good luck finding someone with ammo in stock anyway. Most stores around here are selling out the inventory and waiting to figure out the law and what's necessary before getting any new stock. No more internet sales of ammo either. Now I'm at the mercy of whatever brick and mortar store is going to sell it at whatever price. That's if any of them stay in business after all this goes into effect. One local store I frequent pretty much said they're shutting down soon as all the stock is gone. It's surreal going in there and seeing a sea of blue tags on anything black (LEO Only)

Used to get deals online for .338 Lapua, kept it tolerable, all the locals started at $80, online was mid $50's for Hornady. Plus I'm screwed with my oddball calibers. Had to use cowboy loads in my .45-70, new made has too high pressures for a trapdoor. Don't think I've ever found a place that carry's 7.63x25 Mauser...

Just means I'm going to have to invest in more reloading dies and powder now. Until they ban that because there's no way to track it.

bubba in ca
January 23, 2013, 06:13 PM
Economic warfare--both the manufacturers and the gun owners will have to dig into their pockets for nothing. It`s just like the nuisance suits against the gun companies-- bleed èm dry.

Lost Sheep
January 23, 2013, 11:13 PM
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Just means I'm going to have to invest in more reloading dies and powder now. Until they ban that because there's no way to track it.
Until they figure out that primers are the weak link. How about THAT!? NICS check to buy primers?

It's time to get out the campaign signs, men, and meet at the Old North Church. The Bluecoats are coming.

Lost Sheep

foghornl
January 24, 2013, 01:31 PM
The "Looney-Tunes Left" has ALWAYS had the same agenda...dis-arm all of America except the Police, Military and THEIR Security Guards.

Remember a few years back when the late Sen 'Ted' Kennedy was literally foaming at the mouth to ban 'Armor-Piercing' .30-30 ammunition?

Frank Ettin
January 24, 2013, 01:48 PM
Hard to figure out what this thread is about. It's pretty been wandering all over the place and seems to have very little if anything to do with why a seven round limit under the New York law.

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