What caliber for my Savage 111?


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FIVETWOSEVEN
January 19, 2013, 01:05 AM
I have a Savage 111 that needs a new barrel. The bolt is for a 30-06 So I'm limited in choices. I'm looking at either getting another 30-06 barrel but I'm considering getting a .308. Is there another caliber that fits the same bolt that I should consider?




Before anyone asks about the old barrel. I need a new one because it was determined a long time ago because of the chamber having excess headspace. I'm just finally getting around to getting a new barrel.

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MtnCreek
January 19, 2013, 08:45 AM
That's the most common bolt head available. You could chamber for most rimless cartridges from 22-250 to any of the boomers, short of the mags (WSM's, belted mags).

I need a new one because it was determined a long time ago because of the chamber having excess headspace.

Unless you're out of threads, just adjust headspace by turning the barrel in to fit snug on a go-gauge (no ejector in bolt).

303tom
January 19, 2013, 10:45 AM
I have a Savage 111 that needs a new barrel. The bolt is for a 30-06 So I'm limited in choices. I'm looking at either getting another 30-06 barrel but I'm considering getting a .308. Is there another caliber that fits the same bolt that I should consider?




Before anyone asks about the old barrel. I need a new one because it was determined a long time ago because of the chamber having excess headspace. I'm just finally getting around to getting a new barrel.

Yes I would say you have a few choices...............
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield_Wildcat_Cartridges

matt 7mm
January 19, 2013, 11:00 AM
22-250,243,260,7mm-08,308,338fed,358win,240wthby,257roberts,25-06,270 ,280,30-06,35whelen. there is a few to pick from i left out some wildcats like the 6.5-06 and 338-06 and i am sure there are a few more

helotaxi
January 19, 2013, 11:40 AM
Unless you're out of threads, just adjust headspace by turning the barrel in to fit snug on a go-gauge (no ejector in bolt).Yep. Really easy fix with an action or barrel vise, barrel nut wrench and a set of headspace gages.

Halal Pork
January 19, 2013, 11:50 AM
What about a 280? Or a 25-06?

aubie515
January 19, 2013, 12:44 PM
260 Remington would be my suggestion.

Kachok
January 19, 2013, 12:58 PM
What do you hunt and how far do you shoot? The good ol 06 is a great all around caliber, but if you shoot long distances or just want something unique I would get a 280 (AI) or a 6.5-06, that is what I initaly bought my Savage 06 for, shame the factory barrel shot so good and I cannot bare to tear it down :). If you hunt very large game or just want a heavy thumper I would make a 35 Whelen or 338-06.
Seeing as you have a long action I would not chamber it for a short action cartrage such as the 308, 7-08 or 338 Fed, it can be done no doubt but not it is advisable.

gpb
January 19, 2013, 02:47 PM
Since I don't know what you're going to use it for I'll suggest something off the wall. How about a .240 Weatherby? It has the same head size as a .30-06 and the same length. Also, if you like to reload it offers some fun reloading challenges such as forming a belt on a .30-06 case to make your own .240 Weatherby brass.

And best of all since you're starting with a Savage, it will be easy to replace the barrels that you burn out with the .240 Weatherby.

FIVETWOSEVEN
January 19, 2013, 02:54 PM
This would be used for hunting probably for just Whitetail.

Unless you're out of threads, just adjust headspace by turning the barrel in to fit snug on a go-gauge (no ejector in bolt).

That wouldn't fix my barrel, already looked into it.

303tom
January 20, 2013, 10:03 AM
I can`t believe you have a 111 & it needs a new barrel, what is it bent ?

helotaxi
January 20, 2013, 10:28 AM
They must have run the camber reamer waaaay too far into the barrel then. If that's the case a little work on the lathe can still save that barrel. Just need to shorten the rear section so it can clear the bolt head at the correct headspace. That kind of problem, chamber so grossly over-cut that the bolt hits the rear of the barrel before you thread in deep enough to get correct headspace, is the only thing that can't be fixed by just turning the barrel farther into the receiver. Regardless of the problem, that rifle should have never made it past QC at Savage.

gpb
January 20, 2013, 11:14 AM
What is the clearance range between the barrel and bolt head on a properly chambered and headspaced Savage?

FIVETWOSEVEN
January 20, 2013, 03:46 PM
This isn't a Savage problem. Like I said before, it was already determined here that it's developed excess headspace. This thread isn't about that, it's about what caliber should I go with. Which is commonly cheaper? .308 or .30-06?

cal30_sniper
January 20, 2013, 04:22 PM
What they're saying, is that an excessive headspace problem can be solved by just turning back the barrel on a Savage.

I too, cannot think of a possible situation where this would not solve the issue. Especially if the rifle left the factory with correct headspace. If it has developed that much excessive headspace, you likely have big problems somewhere else.

The only reason you should have to change the barrel is if it is shot out, or not in a profile/length/quality that you want.

joed
January 20, 2013, 04:33 PM
You have a lot of choices for that chambering. My favorite, the .25-06 Remington. flat trajectory, good velocity and it will take anything from varmint to Elk.

Been my favorite cartridge for over 30 years.

limpingbear
January 20, 2013, 04:36 PM
Well....if you wanted to change calibers to something outside the 30-06 family....you can get a new boltface for a savage from midway fo something like 25 bucks or so. Not expensive at all and can really open up your options. Ive got a 112 in 25-06 that i was thinking of turning into a shortmag there for a while....

Check out pac-nor barrels. If you can think it up they can chamber for it. Just look at thier available calibers....that should give you ideas....

Inebriated
January 20, 2013, 05:15 PM
.17-06. I think you're be more than pleased.

Mobuck
January 20, 2013, 07:51 PM
Clearance between boltface and barrel shank has little to do with headspace on a Savage. As long as boltface doesn't contact barrel shank, headspace can be "adjusted" by loosening the barrel nut and turning barrel deeper into action.

tactikel
January 20, 2013, 08:07 PM
If you handload the .257 Roberts is a sweet deer round, if you don't the .25-06 is a great choice. If you had a short action or were recoil adverse you can't go wrong with a .243.

WoodchuckAssassin
January 20, 2013, 09:02 PM
I just upgraded to the .270, and I'm very happy with it. At the same time, If I were to pick any barrel off the lot, it would be a 25-06.

ANYTHING working off the 30-06 case will not disapoint. From the 25-06 all the way up to the 35 Whelen, there are no losers.

FIVETWOSEVEN
January 21, 2013, 01:36 AM
What advantage does the 25-06 have over the 30-06? Why do you guys like it so much? Is it because it's a flat shooter?


I too, cannot think of a possible situation where this would not solve the issue. Especially if the rifle left the factory with correct headspace. If it has developed that much excessive headspace, you likely have big problems somewhere else.

Chamber widened up enough from a steel .32 adaptor to start bulging and cracking cases. Setting it back won't fix it without reaming the chamber deeper. I just figure get a new barrel and maybe a different caliber while I'm at it. Maybe I'm using the wrong term for a wide chamber but that's what it is.

sixgunner455
January 21, 2013, 03:33 AM
Well, perhaps it could be reamed deeper, then, and perhaps not.

Either way, if you want a new caliber, then pick one! :D .25-06 is a lighter kicker than your .30-06, and a flat shooter.

If you liked your .30-06 as it was, then just get a new .30-06 barrel and be happy. You'll find more ammo that caliber on the shelf.

Vizsla
January 21, 2013, 03:39 AM
9.3x62

As a bonus you can reform all you old '06 brass, or buy cheap Prvi Partizan ammo.

FIVETWOSEVEN
January 21, 2013, 04:01 AM
I honestly haven't shot it in probably a year now. A new caliber wouldn't phase me besides having a few boxes of 30-06 lying around still. Time will tell but it looks like it's gonna be either a 30-06 or a 25-06. Thanks for the recommendations!

Inebriated
January 21, 2013, 09:38 AM
I'd go .30-06. More versatile, more common ammo, and if you wanted to shoot lighter 100-130grn bullets, then Hornady has several offerings. I would give up the better sectional density and BC for those 100-130grn loads in .25-06, for the greater versatility of .30-06. But that's just my opinion.

MtnCreek
January 21, 2013, 10:32 AM
If your New Hampshire deer are like our GA deer, the .270 is about as good a deer cartridge as a man could ask for. I'm not sure if he'll have the profile you're looking for, but Jim Briggs is a great guy to deal w/ for Savage parts.

Good luck getting your rifle fixed.

helotaxi
January 21, 2013, 10:34 AM
Chamber widened up enough from a steel .32 adaptor to start bulging and cracking cases. Setting it back won't fix it without reaming the chamber deeper. I just figure get a new barrel and maybe a different caliber while I'm at it. Maybe I'm using the wrong term for a wide chamber but that's what it is.Yeah, that's not a headspace problem, that's a trashed barrel problem.

They like the .25-06 because it shoots very flat out to about 300yds (at which point it kinda hits the wall) and has bullets and load suitable for varmints up to deer or elk. All that in a round that recoils a lot less than a .30-06.

What is seriously lacks, IMO, is good bullets for long range use. Even more so than the .270, the .25-06 has been cast as a medium (at best) range hunting cartridge and no one has bothered making bullets suitable for pushing it into the medium-long range category. If you try to really stretch the legs on a .25-06, you quickly run into problems with bullets lacking the velocity to expand properly, assuming that you can account for the huge wind drift well enough to connect in the first place. When the best bullets you have available only have a BC in the .4 range, you're going to have a frustrating time of it at longer range. 10 MPH of wind puts you in the 10+ inches of drift range at 350yds. A good .243 load has more than 3" less drift at that range and carries 1000 ft-lbs an extra 75yds.

If I had an -06 action to work with and wanted a hunting rifle, I'd screw a .270 or even better a .280 barrel into it. They are just as flexible as the .25-06 with regard to varmints and deer but brings bigger, bullets into the mix and more importantly if you have any possible need from shooting more than 300yds, bullets with better BC are available. If you'll never shoot anything bigger than a deer or farther than 250yds the .25-06 will do just fine though.

tc54
January 21, 2013, 11:11 AM
i'd stick with the 30-06.

ironworkerwill
January 21, 2013, 12:25 PM
I like the .280 idea best. bullets 120-180grn easily found.

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