NY Mag ban and NFA


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kimbershot
January 19, 2013, 11:21 AM
how does the state ban affect the possession of a legally registered nfa item that utilizes hi-cap mags?:scrutiny:

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Aaron Baker
January 19, 2013, 11:25 AM
Magazines are magazines.

I haven't read the wording of the NY law closely, but if they've banned all magazines over 7 rounds, period, then that applies to all magazines regardless of whether they're owned in conjunction with an NFA firearm.

Aaron

TurtlePhish
January 19, 2013, 12:06 PM
Any magazine made in the last 50 years with >10rd capacity is illegal to own. 10rd and under can be kept, but magazines that hold 8-10rds can only be loaded to 7 unless at a competition recognized by the NRA or some other, can't remember ATM.

If a magazine and weapon are over 50 years old, they are technically "antique" under the new law and can be kept with registration regardless of capacity.

PBR Streetgang
January 19, 2013, 12:21 PM
Any magazine made in the last 50 years with >10rd capacity is illegal to own. 10rd and under can be kept, but magazines that hold 8-10rds can only be loaded to 7 unless at a competition recognized by the NRA or some other, can't remember ATM.

If a magazine and weapon are over 50 years old, they are technically "antique" under the new law and can be kept with registration regardless of capacity.
Some AR-15s are now listed in the Federal Firearms C&R list.

thepumpfaction
January 19, 2013, 07:22 PM
In stead of making a thread to ask one dopey question, I'll ask here. What about belt fed guns lol. Is the belt considered the mag? I don't have one, I'm just really curious.

JTW Jr.
January 19, 2013, 08:05 PM
a belt is a belt , not a magazine :)

you have belts , magazines , drums magazines , stripper clips....

Jim K
January 19, 2013, 08:15 PM
I understand that the 7 round limit applies to all semi-auto magazines, whether detachable or not; someone on TV said that Cuomo specifically wanted to ban the M1 rifle.

Jim

TurtlePhish
January 19, 2013, 09:26 PM
someone on TV said that Cuomo specifically wanted to ban the M1 rifle.

...but why? :scrutiny:

That's one of the rifles the gov't actually SELLS to us.

MasterSergeantA
January 20, 2013, 01:29 AM
Because he is a Democrat *********?

RCArms.com
January 24, 2013, 05:27 PM
I believe that belts and strips are considered to be ammunition feeding devices and would be treated as a magazine.

tepin
January 24, 2013, 09:17 PM
Magazines are not NFA items.

el Godfather
January 25, 2013, 05:55 PM
Slowly by slowly 'they' are stripping away the rights and privileges. Can you imagine 25 years from now? May be shotguns for hunting only like England.

Hamish
January 26, 2013, 04:06 PM
There is no such thing as a legally registered NFA item in New York. Civilians are not allowed to possess NFA items, period. No automatic rifles, SBRs, suppressors, etc... and this is not based on the new NY SAFE Act - this goes back a very long time.

The only people who can possess NFA items are FFLs with the appropriate credentials. And probably the police - although the way the SAFE Act was written, they can't have more than 7 rounds in a magazine and cannot have their guns on school property either. It is ridiculous the way this state rushed through poorly-thought-out legislation in the middle of the night.

Thought it was time for someone from NY to answer this question.

BTW, if the M-1 is more than 50 years old, it is exempt from certain portions of the law, and may be kept.

tarosean
January 27, 2013, 10:12 AM
while nothing to do with NY mag bans.

It does make me wonder if the NFA could possibly used as a safe haven for a SBR/AR if some ridiculous law were to be passed. Assume of course you are allowed to have them in the first place.

scaatylobo
January 27, 2013, 10:48 PM
But as a retired LEO and one who still reads and heeds the state laws ESPECIALLY on weapons and of course use of force = he was spot on.

I know that a few 'dealers' and manufacturers can own class III but NO civilian including LEO's and retired LEO's can own class III.

Sadly the state is missing the whole idea of tax the crap outta us,they could "allow" us to pay another NYS tax to own class III and suppressors and we all would jump through the same hoops we do to get our CCW's.

So that would make ownership totally safe,but the sheeple in NYC are running the state and as such are not about to allow the rest of the people in the state [ about half ] to enjoy themselves.

blkbrd666
January 27, 2013, 11:01 PM
This wouldn't apply to NY, but what about other states if a federal ban on standard capacity mags were to pass. Think how ridiculous full auto with 7 rounds would be, coupled with the fact that anyone who has one has given the fun police the right to come check their stuff anytime they want.

toivo
January 27, 2013, 11:40 PM
Some AR-15s are now listed in the Federal Firearms C&R list.
New York doesn't go by the Fed list -- they just define C&R as over 50 years old. You can register your C&R, but you can only keep the high-cap mags if they won't fit in a modern firearm. That's how they get you.

:cuss:

The Garand issue is weird. You can have one, but you can't load more than seven rounds in it -- unless you're on a range. You can have 7+1, but for those few seconds between inserting the clip and charging the chamber, you're technically in violation of the law. Unless you're on a range. :confused:

lilguy
February 2, 2013, 10:37 PM
Are you all sheep in New York? Why don't you all get together and sue to halt implementation of the law?

Jim K
February 3, 2013, 12:16 AM
"May be shotguns for hunting only like England."

No matter what they say, the anti-gun people are anti-hunting and vice versa. They don't plan to allow ANY excuse for owning a gun.

Jim

JTW Jr.
February 3, 2013, 12:47 AM
Are you all sheep in New York? Why don't you all get together and sue to halt implementation of the law?

Or the old law..... the new law just reduces it further...

MasterSergeantA
February 3, 2013, 02:44 PM
Are you all sheep in New York? Why don't you all get together and sue to halt implementation of the law?
Probably no more so than in some of the other occupied territories where the residents of a large city...primarily democraps with their hands out...make the rules for the rest of the state.

Deadclown
July 10, 2013, 11:27 PM
I unfortunately live in NY and live in the city. It is almost impossible to own ANYTHING in NYC I happen to be a LEO in the state so I can get some wiggle room, but you can only apply for say a rifle/ shotgun permit in TWO locations in the city and ONLY on a Monday between 0800 -2000hrs. You can be denied because of PARKING VIOLATIONS :banghead:

SleazyRider
July 10, 2013, 11:38 PM
Are you all sheep in New York? Why don't you all get together and sue to halt implementation of the law?
Come and lead us, Lilguy, we've been awaiting this moment for decades ...

Bristol Mt.Man
July 17, 2013, 10:36 PM
Hi. I am 60 years old and have lived in NY State all my life. I have been an NRA life member since 1977, and also a member of SCOPE. Needless to say, we have been fighting these gun laws for a long time. There are litterally millions of gun owners in NY State, yet a very small percentage get involved to protect their rights. Guys spend thousands of dollars on guns but will not shell out $25 to join the NRA. We are loosing this battle. After years of writing letters, making phone calls, going to Albany, and trying to convince my hunting and shooting friends to get involved, I am growing tired and disgusted. I know many gun owners who don't even vote, but are quick to complain about corrupt politicians. All that is nessesary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. New York State proves this point.

hunt
July 18, 2013, 06:20 PM
Hi. I am 60 years old and have lived in NY State all my life. I have been an NRA life member since 1977, and also a member of SCOPE. Needless to say, we have been fighting these gun laws for a long time. There are litterally millions of gun owners in NY State, yet a very small percentage get involved to protect their rights. Guys spend thousands of dollars on guns but will not shell out $25 to join the NRA. We are loosing this battle. After years of writing letters, making phone calls, going to Albany, and trying to convince my hunting and shooting friends to get involved, I am growing tired and disgusted. I know many gun owners who don't even vote, but are quick to complain about corrupt politicians. All that is nessesary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. New York State proves this point.
You are so correct in this statement
my best hunting buddy his family as well as mine
have lost all respect for NY period
As of now we have all choose to sell our properties him a home and camp on an ADK lake
me a family home and my own which as some acreage within 2 Min's of one of the great lakes
We WILL be moving to a state that isn't so dumbacrat influenced as this state
if they would allow upper NYS to separate from NYC which folks have been trying to
get for along time the upper NYS would actually be a great place to live as long as
NYC and all its pocket lining were to be in prison where they belong..
great example look into why NYS hunters are not allowed crossbows
a long island politician who somehow controls the wildlife sub committee
and is very very much against them thanks to the NYBowhunters assoc. lining his pockets and not in secret either.It is quite well documented with just a few quick searches
of NY game l

smkummer
July 26, 2013, 10:00 PM
If a law is found unconstitutional, it is not binding or further enforceable. my .02 and I am not a lawyer. I am glad I don't have to live there and its too bad the good citizens have to pool resources and money to fight this, but it appears that will be the only way it can be over turned. It sure appears this country is going further and deeper to red states and blue states.

lilguy
July 27, 2013, 09:47 AM
In Illinois, in the last 6 months ,we have gained a reasonable CCW law and can now add NFA SBR's to our stables. This all since the school shootings and done in the shadow of anti gun Chicago/Cook County. Far fewer sheep in Illinois than New York. You better get going, before they castrate you.
I'm a retired tradesman on a pension. In January I sent $500.00 each to the NRA ILA and the ISRA. Wrote letters and phoned my state reps many times and so did countless others in the gun rights coalitions here. You don't need me in NEW YORK, you need to collectively grow a pair and fight back, with all due respect.

Biffj
August 3, 2013, 05:54 PM
If memory serves correctly DD's are legal in New York. I know of a couple Lahti's transferring in and at least one M203 transferring out. I also think DeWaT's are legal. (DeWaT being Deactivated War Trophy machineguns registered during the amnesty of 1968 or prior as unservicable firearms)
I know live MG's are not legal......
Frank

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