Private background checks?


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mainer2013
January 19, 2013, 01:29 PM
So I live in one of the few blue states with sane gun laws, but I am always worried that one incident could easily trigger an overhaul of our gun laws. So I have one question regarding background checks between private individuals. Would I have to go through an FFL to do it? Or would I be able to call and do the background check myself?

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Lupinus
January 19, 2013, 01:39 PM
You would need to go through an FFL.

Alternatively, if they have one, you can ask they they show their CWP.

WoodchuckAssassin
January 19, 2013, 01:39 PM
I believe that you could do it yourself, but it would take around $30 and a week turnaround. This would cut gun show sales (many, if not most of which are private sales) by over half.

This new legislation effects me more than a lot of the new laws. I don't own any guns that hold more than 10 rounds, and the majority of my guns are hunting rifles. What this new law has effectively done is take my firearm investments and make them worth HALF as much (since I'd have to sell them to a FFL dealer instead of directly to someone else - and no FFL is going to pay MRSP).

1911 guy
January 19, 2013, 01:56 PM
I think you misunderstand the phrase "go through a FFL". You are selling to a private individual, the FFL merely logs the firearm in and out of his books and makes the call to the FBI. The charge is usually anywhere from 15-50 dollars, entirely up to the dealer.

mainer2013
January 19, 2013, 03:04 PM
Up to $50 for a transfer and dealing with an FFL (bad hours and bad locations)? :banghead:

Lupinus
January 19, 2013, 04:48 PM
If you want to conduct a background check, you need an FFL.

There is no law, unless it is in your locality, that you need to do so.

You can just sell the thing, ask to see a CWP, or meet at an FFL dealer to conduct a background check and transfer the firearm. If it's to expensive, or hours and location are a problem, make the buyer pay accordingly or just sell the darn thing.

I don't understand the frustration.

Birch Knoll
January 19, 2013, 05:00 PM
I believe that you could do it yourself, but it would take around $30 and a week turnaround.

No, you cannot do a NICS check yourself, not for $30 or any other amount.

You may be able to run some sort of criminal background check through your state police, or through a commercial provider, but that's not the same as NICS. State-level criminal background checks probably won't contain out-of-state offenses, and even a national check will only contain criminal conviction information, which is not sufficient. It won't contain pending indictments, restraining orders, adjudications of mental incompetence or confinement to a mental facility, and so on.

The only one who can run a NICS check is an FFL.

Birch Knoll
January 19, 2013, 05:02 PM
Up to $50 for a transfer and dealing with an FFL (bad hours and bad locations)?

In your area, $25 is probably more like it; maybe even a little less. You pick the FFL you want; retail store with retail hours, or maybe a home FFL available nights and weekends.

mainer2013
January 19, 2013, 06:50 PM
In your area, $25 is probably more like it; maybe even a little less. You pick the FFL you want; retail store with retail hours, or maybe a home FFL available nights and weekends.
I used to have no opinion on private background checks, but ever since I started ordering guns online and selling other guns (to fund my new gun purchases), I can see how having to deal with an FFL would be a real pain in the back-end for use law abiding citizens.

It seems that without some sort of a gun registry, a private background check between purchases seems utterly pointless.

abajaj11
January 19, 2013, 07:47 PM
If you want to conduct a background check, you need an FFL.

There is no law, unless it is in your locality, that you need to do so.

You can just sell the thing, ask to see a CWP, or meet at an FFL dealer to conduct a background check and transfer the firearm. If it's to expensive, or hours and location are a problem, make the buyer pay accordingly or just sell the darn thing.

I don't understand the frustration.
If you own the firearm privately and it is not registered with any authority (as it should NOT be in my opinion) then, if you sell it to another individual, how will the "authorities" know you sold it to this other individual at all, if you skip the background check?
In other words, how will the authorities be able to monitor if you performed the background check or not?
:)

tyeo098
January 19, 2013, 10:30 PM
Simply ask to see something a felon wouldnt have.
CWP or Voters Registration would suffice, as it does for me and I've never had any problems.

Joining a local community where everyone vouches for each other is another option.

mainer2013
January 19, 2013, 10:56 PM
The more I think about it the more I realize "so what if they can't pass a background check?" I bet there is more people who can pass background check and shouldnt own a gun than you cant pass a background check and cant own a gun. Are we really going to leave it to the Gov't, the body of people the 2nd amendment is suppose to protect us against , dictate who can and cannot have a firearm?

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