3 injured in accidental shooting at NC gun show today


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baddiesel
January 19, 2013, 07:27 PM
It looks like this guy brought a loaded shotgun to the show.When he was taking it out of its case to be inspected before entering it accidently went off hitting 3 people.Lucky no one was killed

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hurt-accidental-shooting-nc-gun-show-18259364

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Ryanxia
January 19, 2013, 07:29 PM
#1 Idiot.

#2 "... when gunfire erupted..." gotta love those anti's spin on these events.

hueytaxi
January 19, 2013, 07:33 PM
Now on the Dixie website:

The Show WILL BE OPEN TOMORROW 1/20/2013 at 10am


NO PERSONAL FIREARMS ARE TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE SHOW

Local LEO are stating no firearms may be brought to events at the Fairgrounds temporarily as they investigate. They have a temporary loaded weapon ban in place during the Fair, but checking to see if this incident is chargeable.

Elsewhere in Indiana at a show an individual shot himself in the hand while reloading his weapon in the parking lot. No charges are expected. I have heard of one other event, but do not see verification. Apparently none were violent incidents.

Tinpig
January 19, 2013, 07:39 PM
No need for anti's spin, really. Sometimes we're our own worst enemies.

Tinpig

lobo9er
January 19, 2013, 07:44 PM
Yep timing is everything.

sidheshooter
January 19, 2013, 07:53 PM
Good lord. How many times does this sort of thing actually happen? I can't remember the last time I ever heard of an ND at a show. Of all the times for someone to lose it...

skeeziks
January 19, 2013, 07:54 PM
And everyone wonders why I haven't been to a gunshow in over 14 years.

AlexanderA
January 19, 2013, 07:54 PM
With the buying frenzy, we're seeing a lot more newbies (as well as more crowding, and more anxiety). It's not surprising that there would be more accidents under these conditions.

BCCL
January 19, 2013, 07:56 PM
^Well said AlexanderA

9MMare
January 19, 2013, 07:58 PM
No need for anti's spin, really. Sometimes we're our own worst enemies.

Tinpig

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barnbwt
January 19, 2013, 08:03 PM
Good lord. How many times does this sort of thing actually happen?

Yeah, it's not like anyone else in the country did something stupid to injure or kill theselves/others over the weekend :rolleyes:. This guy was a class A fool, and should rightfully have to defend his continued firearms ownership, but it is hardly suprising these things happen with the number of gun owners out there. Especially considering the number of uneducated/careless people out there (have you driven on a freeway lately?).

I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often. And no, I don't believe that it does, and the media "just doesn't report it" the way they do inner-city murders. We'll probably be hearing a couple times on Monday "just how many people were killed by guns on Gun Appreciation Day" :barf:

TCB

Analogkid
January 19, 2013, 08:03 PM
This is what CNN is reporting...

And not any info at all that I can see on the Displays today.

Cesiumsponge
January 19, 2013, 08:04 PM
Good lord. How many times does this sort of thing actually happen? I can't remember the last time I ever heard of an ND at a show. Of all the times for someone to lose it...
With the buying frenzy, we're seeing a lot more newbies (as well as more crowding, and more anxiety). It's not surprising that there would be more accidents under these conditions.
Happened a few years ago here at the WAC show. I've seen enough threads pop up to believe it happens a couple times a year. No one can say if it's happening with more frequently lately because this seems to be the first case of the year. I don't think anyone is keeping track of how many gun show NDs and ADs are happening.

Texan Scott
January 19, 2013, 08:05 PM
:banghead:

skeeziks
January 19, 2013, 08:11 PM
I can remember hearing about at least 4 ND's during 2012. There may have been more that I didn't hear about, though.

~ These were all at gunshows, BTW.

pa350z
January 19, 2013, 08:11 PM
I actually feel some what tired when I return from a gun show. Reason, I am constantly scanning and evaluation my situation. I can not count how times I have been "swept" by some idiot examining a rifle or handgun. And, that was during so called normal times. Now, these gun shows are full of people who have no clue what they are doing. I suspect the fellow with the shot gun was one of those types. Anyone who is a responsible firearms owner would never ever bring a loaded shotgun to such and event. Unbelievable.

Sleasys14
January 19, 2013, 08:13 PM
Didn't someone in D.C shoot someone accidentally with a shotgun during a hunt?


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Carter
January 19, 2013, 08:14 PM
Good thing I didn't know about that gun show today. I would of have gone after I left the march in downtown. Sadly, the police refused to let us at the capital building. We were moved a couple blocks down.

skeeziks
January 19, 2013, 08:17 PM
"Sadly, the police refused to let us at the capital building. We were moved a couple blocks down."

I do believe that is un-constitutional. You should be allowed to respectfully protest at the steps of the capitol.

TheCracker
January 19, 2013, 08:18 PM
Just what we needed for the media to have a frenzy on. What a friggin idiot.

Ignition Override
January 19, 2013, 08:18 PM
One or two years ago a Mini 14 had a chambered round (.223) and three people were hurt, one seriously.

It might have been in Bloomington, IL.

Cesiumsponge
January 19, 2013, 08:28 PM
The ND at the WAC show a few years ago was from a WAC life member, older fellow who had been vending for over 25 years and taught gun safety.

In the process of trying to backtrack info, there was ANOTHER ND at the Monroe WAC show earlier this month
Saturday morning, January 12th, a table renter at the Washington Arms Collectors Monroe Show first violated the Rules of the Road by having a loaded firearm at a WAC event and then negligently discharged the firearm into the floor of the hall. No person was injured due to this persons negligence. The individual was escorted from the event, where he met with responding deputies from the Snohomish County Sheriff. The Board of Directors will meet on January 26th in the WAC Office in Renton at 10:00 a.m. to deal with this and other matters. The show in Puyallup will proceed as planned, as will the Sunday show this weekend. We anticipate discussions with the Evergreen State Fairgrounds management team this coming week regarding this unfortunate event.

Signed -

John Rodabaugh, President
Washington Arms Collectors

JoeMal
January 19, 2013, 08:35 PM
One or two years ago a Mini 14 had a chambered round (.223) and three people were hurt, one seriously.

It might have been in Bloomington, IL.You are correct, I was there

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 19, 2013, 09:33 PM
Jesus, some people do not need firearms... Trust me, going to quite a few shows in NC, I have seen too many getting chewed out at the check-in station for handing he officer a loaded firearm....

BCCL
January 19, 2013, 09:35 PM
Over the last 20+ years of attending gun shows, I've known of about 6 AD's at shows.

In that same time period, how many people have been hurt by flying baseballs at little league games??????

It shouldn't happen, but this is not a perfect safe utopia and never will be.

And as all of us get hit with this by anti's, remind them that according to the CDC, "Every day, about ten people die from unintentional drowning."

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html

Are they gonna ban water now?

Airbrush Artist
January 19, 2013, 10:00 PM
Did ya hear about the Guy Dropping the Knife He bought to Trade and It stuck in His Foot.....NO!!!!

Cesiumsponge
January 19, 2013, 10:11 PM
Over the last 20+ years of attending gun shows, I've known of about 6 AD's at shows.

In that same time period, how many people have been hurt by flying baseballs at little league games??????


ND's are preventable errors with some common sense gun handling and gun transportation. They're called ND's because they're negligent, not accidental. I don't know of any actual AD at a gun show. AD's are exceptionally rare.

Getting hurt by baseballs isn't a preventable situation. Don't make excuses for stupid people or compare idiots that bring loaded guns and ND to drownings. If you drown, you die. If you ND, you stand the chance of shooting one or more people due to your stupidity.

Deus Machina
January 19, 2013, 10:20 PM
Didn't someone in D.C shoot someone accidentally with a shotgun during a hunt?


Nope.

gym
January 19, 2013, 11:22 PM
I'll say this with the greatest regret, we are getting a lot of real amatures at these shows who don't know enough about guns to be handeling loaded weapons in a crowded place. They should be handed off to an inspection officer prior to being allowed out of the case or box.
Allowing people to load and unload in a crowded area is a recipe for disaster, especially with a new unfamiliar gun. When they leave they should not be allowed to chamber a round until they get in their car.
It's becoming unsafe as newbies want the latest and greatest guns, and have no experience with them, and a gun show is not the place to practice loading and unloading an unfamiliar weapon.
I must have seen a dozen people I would never choose to be near, today, but that is the chance you take when you go to one of these things.
I don't see a reason other than to check out new models, everything else is overpriced anyway. My two friends didn't even carry in to the show, I cleared in the car before getting out and rechambered the same way, in the rear seat of a Cherokee, gun pointed at the ground only because I was looking for a laser for that gun, otherwise, leave it in the car.

351 WINCHESTER
January 19, 2013, 11:46 PM
"That's just perfect".

r1derbike
January 19, 2013, 11:55 PM
I pray for speedy recoveries for the injured.

You just can't fix stupid.

sonick808
January 19, 2013, 11:57 PM
there was an ND at a Bloomington, IL show a few years back I believe. I grew up there so i heard all the details from friends. Wasn't there though

2ifbyC
January 20, 2013, 12:07 AM
There will always be people who don't think just as there will be people who are evil. There is no excuse for not following gun safety procedures, it should be priority one. I have no answer for their stupidity and it does feed into the antis hysteria that portrays all gun owners as irresponsible idiots.

I could provide some rationalization but to do so I would have to ignore the major tenet of gun ownership. We may well desire a black eye for this conduct. If anything, the attention given to it should alert all gun owners, new or old, of the personal responsibility and care needed to be exercised when owning a firearm.

Analogkid
January 20, 2013, 12:19 AM
No Major News outlets running the Thousand upon thousands of activist's at the Capitals today....



But you bet your ass All of them are running the........
"5 Injured after Firearms go off at Gun shows"

Might as well not did a Damn thing today and stayed home on the couch...

mgmorden
January 20, 2013, 01:39 AM
ND's are preventable errors with some common sense gun handling and gun transportation. They're called ND's because they're negligent, not accidental. I don't know of any actual AD at a gun show. AD's are exceptionally rare.

Its time to stop with this pedantry. Accidental means anything that was unintentional. Some accidents are a result of negligence, some are not - the terms are not mutually exclusive.

Cesiumsponge
January 20, 2013, 03:27 AM
You can have the opinion that it's pedantry but I'm still of the opinion that we're giving folks an excuse simply because it's gun-related. Every time there are threads on NDs at gun shows, someone comes in and posts "and two kids drowned in a pool today!"

It's changing the subject. These gun shows typically have restrictions on loaded guns to satisfy the requirements of insurance and the venues they rent out. The fact that some people think the rules apply to everyone but them shows we have a minority of gun owners that are morons among us.

In this specific case in the OP, it's impossible to tell if the owner of the shotgun knew loaded guns were restricted or not and I will concede that. However, many of these gun show shootings happens inside the venue. Is it still an accident and not sheer negligence when someone sneaks in a loaded gun into a show, thinking the rules don't apply to them?

Ignition Override
January 20, 2013, 04:01 AM
Can't seasoned volunteers on a gun show staff patrol outside when there is a long line?

It would seem easy to do early checking of any carried guns, whether carried by hand or in a box.

Evergreen
January 20, 2013, 04:45 AM
How many people getting into their car today will have an accident. I read yesterday that there was a car accident in FLorida that killed two young kids an two adults. More deaths than happened at these gun shows, where actually no deaths occurred. Yeah, I agree that with all the craziness, many newbies have been attending these shows. These events are rarer than car accidents, yet don't get the media attention.

Reloadron
January 20, 2013, 05:04 AM
Went to this gun show yesterday (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/01/accidental_shooting_at_medina.html#incart_river_default) which is about a 40 min drive. The wife came along with me. The line was maybe 45 min to get in and we left around 1:30 or so I would guess. That was the first AD in 35 years of that shows existence. Glad we were long gone from the show when that happened.

Yeah, she show was packed and I also am seeing new inexperienced idiots at the shows lately. Also, at other shows they check all weapons upon entry, I didn't notice that happening yesterday at this show. I just didn't notice and they may have been checking and this gun got past somehow.

Wasn't impressed with this show, while large too much junk and not much that really tripped my trigger.

Apparently there were several accidental discharges at gun shows yesterday.

Ron

JRWhit
January 20, 2013, 05:50 AM
Unbelievable.
It takes only one extreme idiot to call all other's rights into question. I hope that someone explains to that guy his most important role of fueling that fire and his part in single handedly eroding the public trust of responsible gun owners.
:banghead::cuss::fire:

BLB68
January 20, 2013, 06:12 AM
Yeah, she show was packed and I also am seeing new inexperienced idiots at the shows lately.

Combine the new inexperienced idiots with the old experienced idiots, and you have a recipe for disaster. :D

Reloadron
January 20, 2013, 06:27 AM
When Kathy gets up and reads the morning paper I wonder if she will enjoy going to gun shows as much with me? :)

She caught the NC story on MSN last night but when there was a discharge at a show we had left earlier in the day it sort of strikes close to home.

Overall I guess I am getting old as my tolerance for idiots is diminishing. The shows have changed in a big way and are not the shows of years ago. Too many idiots, running around with guns. Yeah, this contributes ammunition to the anti-gun side. Stuff like this gives them a strong argument as I sit here and portray gun owners as responsible people.

Ron

CatskillDraht
January 20, 2013, 07:33 AM
At the gun show near me they make everyone who is bringing in a firearm to sell confirm that it is unloaded - outside the building. They have a discharge can and make you lock the action open with a zip tie. No accidental discharges.

Sav .250
January 20, 2013, 07:46 AM
Everybody makes mistakes. But that one is just plain.....stupid! That`s my opinion and I`m sticking to it.

meanmrmustard
January 20, 2013, 07:49 AM
Nope.
Really?

Burt Blade
January 20, 2013, 07:52 AM
Sigh....

Rule One: All guns are loaded
Repeat: _ALL_ guns are loaded.
Repeat: _All_ guns are _LOADED_. (This means _yours_!)
For the five year olds reading this: Guns go boom. That one too!

Rule Two: Point the gun only at something you are prepared to destroy.
For the five year olds: Point gun at boom catcher. That one there!

et cetera...

Every (censored) one! Every (deleted) time! If you see someone doing something stupid, (bleep)ing tell them to stop.

Sheesh!

Reloadron
January 20, 2013, 08:16 AM
The same is generally true here. However, it seems to depend on the promoter. Yesterday my wife who is now awake up and about did notice at the Medina, Ohio show we were at yesterday they were not checking guns coming in. There was a sign stating No CCW but no gun checks.

Another promoter I know personally up here makes sure all guns entering the show are tie wrapped as well as many guns in the show. So one promoter does and one doesn't.

What I find odd is if you read the story I linked to it says the guy had just bought the gun. I never bought a gun when working a show without first thoroughly checking it over. That means safely checking it over.

Ron

Double Naught Spy
January 20, 2013, 10:10 AM
I'll say this with the greatest regret, we are getting a lot of real amatures at these shows who don't know enough about guns to be handeling loaded weapons in a crowded place. They should be handed off to an inspection officer prior to being allowed out of the case or box.

LOL, 99% of gun owners are amateurs, or rather, very few are professional gun slingers, smiths, vendors, etc.

Your argument that gun handling should be left to the professionals (gun being handled by an inspection officer) doesn't speak well for the rest of us.

Something to keep in mind is that a LOT of the NDs at gun shows are by the vendors, not by the crowds, and the vendors are often regulars at the shows.

The on ND I was present for was by a Glock armorer at a show in Frisco, Texas. I can recall 3 other vendor NDs at DFW gunshows.

xfyrfiter
January 20, 2013, 10:23 AM
Yeah, one of yesterdays nd's was a dealer, who should have known the four rules, and FOLLOWED SAME RULES, we all get complacent at times, but I have a personal rule that, if I am tired, or liable to be distracted, I do not handle my firearms, or do any reloading. I also try to not to have any driving to do, and if too tired etc. will pull over and rest. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID . But you can try to educate it out.

BCCL
January 20, 2013, 10:37 AM
ND's are preventable errors with some common sense gun handling and gun transportation. They're called ND's because they're negligent, not accidental. I don't know of any actual AD at a gun show. AD's are exceptionally rare.

Getting hurt by baseballs isn't a preventable situation. Don't make excuses for stupid people or compare idiots that bring loaded guns and ND to drownings. If you drown, you die. If you ND, you stand the chance of shooting one or more people due to your stupidity.

AD-ND, in context, no difference by what I meant, someone fired a gun when it should not have been. Same way we say "car accident" instead of "car negligence" when someone runs a stop sign and causes a wreck. It's a distinction without a difference.

And I was not making excuses for anyone, I suggest you slow down the jumping to conclusions or maybe switch to decaf, and you might have grasped that I was not making a direct comparison to drownings and ND/AD's, I was showing how no matter what regulation/laws people come up with, things will happen, and that it's not a reason to infringe on everyone else when they do.

ball3006
January 20, 2013, 10:44 AM
I have only experienced one gunshot at a gunshow. A vendor brought his carry pistol in the show, violation, and placed it on the table where a guy picked it up and squeezed the trigger shooting the vendor's lunchbox. It happened two rows over from me. The hall sure got quiet. The vendor was escorted out and banned from future shows. No one got hurt. Scary though. I am tired when I leave a gun show because of all the energy expended keeping my arm from whipping out my wallet to buy something.....chris3

Buzsaw
January 20, 2013, 11:39 AM
Freedom comes with responsibility. In these times, there is no excuse for these types of incidents. We have to be extra careful to handle firearms responsibly, lest we lose support of the folks who could swing either way on the gun issue. We need to be better than our opponents!

Deus Machina
January 20, 2013, 01:33 PM
Nope.
Really?
Yup. Notice the italics. ;)

Anyway, I'm off topic!

phil dirt
January 20, 2013, 02:18 PM
I went to a gun show yesterday. I talked to many, many people who have never owned or shot a gun before. I hope they concentrate on learning firearm safety. As an aside, many if not most of these folks seemed to understand that all of the frenzy perpetrated by the politicians and media had a lot less to do with Connecticut and a lot more to do with the Saul Alensky/Rham Emanuel, communist strategy of never letting a crisis go to waste.

phil dirt
January 20, 2013, 02:30 PM
You guys who are flapping your mouths about NDs at gun shows are feeding the enemy all kinds of information to use against us. There are anti gunners who, I suspect, are reading this forum. Loose lips sink ships!

westy39
January 20, 2013, 02:33 PM
I was just wondering if this guy was an obama voter ???? Just a thought.

SteelyNirvana
January 20, 2013, 02:39 PM
Didn't someone in D.C shoot someone accidentally with a shotgun during a hunt?



Nope.

The OP is referring to when Dick Cheney shot his hunting partner.

Far as the show, it is a shame that it happened. I grew up only a few miles from the fairgrounds and this is the first time I can remember something like this happening. Now what I'd like to know is what type of case it WAS in. Our local CBS affiliate (WRAL) was reporting yesterday that the guy was undoing the latches on the case when it fired. This morning our newspaper (The News and Observer) said that he was unzipping the case when it fired. So which is it? Did the case have latches or a zipper? and how in the heck did it fire before it was taken out of the case??

You know, I don't want to sound like a wacko but it does make you wonder if these things are planned just so they can give us a bad name and further push their gun control agenda. Now there talking about banning private sales at the show from here on out. Heck, that's a big reason why many people go, most vendors out there are overpriced. That's what they have been wanting all along. Since many liberals realize now when the media talks about the "Gun show loophole" they are talking about private sales.

I agree there is a flood, too many newbies to the hobby and that is a big problem. I've seen it at gun stores, I've seen it here on The Highroad. I personally think that unless you are willing to learn gun safety, learn the proper terminology (Semi auto carbine vs. "Assault rifle", clip vs. magazine) then you just need to view from a distance. I also agree that we need to pull together and help one another out and stop the nonsense among us (Such as the bashing of Wayne Lapierre on here a few weeks ago) Either your all in or your not. Either you are serious about gun safety and keeping your freedom's or you aren't. There is NO in between.

OilyPablo
January 20, 2013, 02:56 PM
WAC had a ND last year. Old geezer.

WAC had a ND this year. Old geezer.

Both long time members who absolutely did not follow the rules that I learned about firearms when I was a kid. They also did not follow the club rules about loaded guns in the building. This junk absolutely will happen when people try to outsmart (or whatever) the rules we know to be absolute. Simply put they had their shaky, greasy finger on the trigger without a target in the sight....these cases were not newbies with guns. No excuses. Barred from the club for life.

BCCL
January 20, 2013, 04:03 PM
I'm just glad no trained professionals ever have one, especially DEA agents with .40 caliber Glocks...............

Lex Luthier
January 20, 2013, 05:25 PM
At the last show I attended, there was a well dressed yuppie couple who were looking at lego rifles. He actually asked the question "Is this a real gun?"

It is these people and idiots like that shotgun guy we should be worried about. Newbies should have to hang around a while and learn a few things before they even get to touch anything.

rduchateau2954
January 20, 2013, 05:27 PM
It's a conspiracy, it was a protected liberal who will never be charged.

Tin-foil hat on.

9MMare
January 20, 2013, 10:09 PM
WAC had a ND last year. Old geezer.

WAC had a ND this year. Old geezer.

Both long time members who absolutely did not follow the rules that I learned about firearms when I was a kid. They also did not follow the club rules about loaded guns in the building. This junk absolutely will happen when people try to outsmart (or whatever) the rules we know to be absolute. Simply put they had their shaky, greasy finger on the trigger without a target in the sight....these cases were not newbies with guns. No excuses. Barred from the club for life.

Sad.

Thanks for the info tho. I think I'll just pay my membership again to support their lobby efforts in the state and forego any further gun shows...I'm not really in the market for anything, just used to have a good 'cheap ammo guy' there :)

9MMare
January 20, 2013, 10:10 PM
And no COPS ever get shot with their own guns

Nor even worse, leave their guns and their kids alone in a vehicle.

He came up minus one kid and still got off with no legal penalty.

BLB68
January 21, 2013, 06:32 AM
If you call being tried for manslaughter no legal penalty, then sure. I think a hung jury was a given in this case. What penalty is worse than the one he inflicted on himself?

Had it been his neighbor's kid, he'd have likely been convicted, IMO.

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