FIREMISSION - Another NY Newsday Poll


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minuteman1970
January 19, 2013, 08:59 PM
Please help support RKBA by lighting up this poll:


http://www.newsday.com/what-do-you-think-about-cuomo-s-gun-control-bill-1.4451699


Thanks!

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Upstater
January 19, 2013, 09:21 PM
Done, thank you sir

Legionnaire
January 19, 2013, 09:26 PM
Done, although it seems a little late. Watching with interest as a former NY'er.

Midnight Oil
January 19, 2013, 09:33 PM
done

How do you feel about prohibiting the mentally ill from owning guns?

i felt this question was a little too vague... this depends on at what point someone is referred to as mentally ill. depression? bi-polar? adhd? ptsd? where does one draw the line?

CB900F
January 19, 2013, 09:35 PM
Minuteman;

Done, but I'd like to see the results of the poll.

900F

Midnight Oil
January 19, 2013, 09:36 PM
^^^
they're at the bottom of the page

Ford
January 19, 2013, 10:08 PM
done

pty101
January 19, 2013, 11:19 PM
done

horsemen61
January 19, 2013, 11:24 PM
done

JEB
January 19, 2013, 11:30 PM
done.

Jeff B.
January 19, 2013, 11:36 PM
Completed the survey also.

Interesting that the private sales/background check issue is not that unpopular.

Jeff B.

TurtlePhish
January 20, 2013, 01:42 AM
Done. Results are overwhelmingly in our favor, aside from the private sales thing and potentially the mental health issue (depending on your opinion).

mbt2001
January 20, 2013, 01:46 AM
:neener:

gunnutery
January 20, 2013, 02:14 AM
Man, we are slaughtering that poll. Great results.

How do you feel about prohibiting the mentally ill from owning guns?

i felt this question was a little too vague... this depends on at what point someone is referred to as mentally ill. depression? bi-polar? adhd? ptsd? where does one draw the line?

I clicked "in favor," to kind of go with the gist, but I completely agree that ridged guidelines and limitations need to be written out in legislation. There are very few social service workers that I trust, I've worked with plenty of them and I can only think of one that I'd trust completely. Therapists and doctors are hit and miss a lot of times too. I think it also needs to be spelled out that "manditory reporters" in this case need to be held accountable too so that they are encouraged to be truthful.

Just look at the schools. My wife just read a story about a kindergardener that was suspended because she told her friend "I'm going to shoot you with my pink gun that blows bubbles and I'm going to shoot me too." If you don't draw lines in the sand that prevent this kind of CRAP from happening, you're going to be abused by the system.

Vanfanel
January 20, 2013, 02:32 AM
done

jamesbeat
January 20, 2013, 02:42 AM
Done, but one question confused me a little.

It asked whether I thought that there should be stiffer penalties for gun crimes.

I believe that there should be stricter penalties for existing gun crimes.
I certainly don't want strict enforcement of the NEW laws, only the existing ones!

freyasman
January 20, 2013, 08:45 AM
gunnutery, I had the same reservations about that question; I had a vindictive school counselor call both the MP's and my Commander, (my son's school was on the base I was stationed), and report that I was abusing him. The "abuse" was my refusal to agree with her course of action for disciplining my son. :rolleyes: Another question I opposed was the one about harsher punishment for attacks on 1st responders; whats the difference? Isn't an assault an assault? Isn't murder murder? I don't think there should be different "classes" of victim in the eyes of the courts.... Justice should be blind.

fxstchewy
January 20, 2013, 08:56 AM
Done......

SiteManager
January 20, 2013, 09:25 AM
Done!

SleazyRider
January 20, 2013, 09:36 AM
Done, my pleasure. But what gets me---according to the results published---is that I'm in agreement with the majority of those who voted, we're still a minority. How to laws get passed in a democracy when they're approved by only a fraction of the people? Are gun owners that much out of step with the "real world"?

Pointshoot
January 20, 2013, 09:43 AM
The survey results are overwhelmingly pro 2A - so either it won't be reported, or will get the minimum attention.

Meanwhile as I write this Jan 20 835am EST, the front page shows 'increased security' in schools to address this 'epidemic problem'. The photo shows a guy in a red jacket with SECURITY printed on the back.

Of course, a 'problem' less likely to occur than being struck by lightening - isn't questioned. Afterall, emotions have been fanned red hot. The guy above should have ANTI-LIGHTENING SQUAD printed on his back for all the real difference it will make across the country.

Years ago, when the movie 'Jaws' came out, many people around the world wouldnt go swimming. The frequency of shark attacks, and especially Great White attacks is extremely low. Didn't matter. People are run by emotion rather than good sense.

Liberty should trump a false sense of 'security'. The opposite of Liberty, is what's really dangerous.

parsimonious_instead
January 20, 2013, 09:50 AM
Voted once, OPPOSED to all of those measures.
I'm proud to say I never "multi-voted" in any online poll, if said poll had no interlock to prevent it.

ZeSpectre
January 20, 2013, 09:51 AM
The potential spin behind how those questions were phrased makes my stomach churn

Anger
January 20, 2013, 09:55 AM
Poll did not work on my mobile

Inebriated
January 20, 2013, 09:58 AM
I opposed the mentally ill part, simply because of wording...

They don't mention type or severity of mental illness, just that a therapist can report you as unsafe, at which point the state takes your guns. That is both unsafe for the people tasked with removing guns from the potentially mentally unstable, and quite vague.

But I do support the sentiment that the mentally unstable and dangerous don't need firearms. Though I really don't understand how the mental health system works in our country, or have the first clue about mental illness past a Psychology class, so I have no idea what criteria should be set up, and how it would be determined whether a person meets that criteria.

robbieg19
January 20, 2013, 10:01 AM
Done

First4Freedom
January 20, 2013, 10:01 AM
Done!

Pointshoot
January 20, 2013, 10:25 AM
Inebriated: "I opposed the mentally ill part, simply because of wording...

They don't mention type or severity of mental illness, just that a therapist can report you as unsafe, at which point the state takes your guns. That is both unsafe for the people tasked with removing guns from the potentially mentally unstable, and quite vague.

But I do support the sentiment that the mentally unstable and dangerous don't need firearms. Though I really don't understand how the mental health system works in our country, or have the first clue about mental illness past a Psychology class, so I have no idea what criteria should be set up, and how it would be determined whether a person meets that criteria. "

Check out the definition of 'oppositional defiant disorder'.

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx73.htm

If the English king had psychologists & psychiatrists on the payroll, undoubtedly Jefferson, Washington, Patrick Henry, and the other American founders would have been determined as 'mentally ill'.
It worked in the Soviet Union.

This can be a very dangerous slippery slope.

KAC1911
January 20, 2013, 10:33 AM
I took it.

theotherwaldo
January 20, 2013, 11:09 AM
Done

CB900F
January 20, 2013, 11:12 AM
Fella's;

I also opposed the "mentally ill" question. I did that because there's way too much room for abuse without first putting forth who's doing the defining and what the definition is. In other words, are we all nuts for wanting to own a gun? You can bet the ranch that that's dear Dianne's definition.

900F

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