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Fistful Of Steel
January 20, 2013, 08:59 AM
I just got my VZ-58 from Czechpoint after nearly a 2 month wait. I'm hoping to do some multi-gun matches this year (in PA). Looks like the local guys (http://www.keystonesportsmenassociation.com/MultiGun.html) wear tactical vests. I was looking at the vests on Leapershttp://www.leapers.com/listproduct.php?mitem=tacti&mlevel=1&level1=Tactical_Vest&mtrack=1m Any suggestions? I'd like to be prepared but not come off as a poser at my first shoot. Thanks for any help!

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tarakian
January 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
I started with a vest and ditched it after the first match, as did all my friends. It really doesn't gain you anything and makes it a pain to go prone. Get a good belt and some mag pouches for your chosen firearms. Something along the lines of this (http://www.cedhk.com/shop/products/Double%252dAlpha-%28DAA%29-Competition-Belt.html) makes it easy to reconfigure between stages.

Hoser
January 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
I shoot a lot of 3-gun and have never worn a vest.

A belt with a few pouches and you will be fine. And you wont look like a ninja.

Fistful Of Steel
January 20, 2013, 11:11 AM
Thanks. Actually, I do have a nice reinforced nylon belt from Uncle Mike's. I realize the VZ may be a slight disadvantage in an AR world but I can add a mount and red dot scope if I want. I think the local peeps shoot out to 100 yards so optics may not be a big help or factor. My weapons will be the VZ-58, Winchester Defender, and either my Springer EMP 1911 or Colt Officer's Model. I have plenty of mags, just not sure about logistics. I have mag pouches for the pistols. I would appreciate any recommendations on how to carry ammo for the shotgun and rifle (30 round mags).

poortrader
January 20, 2013, 08:03 PM
Get at least 2 California Competition works shell caddy for your shotgun shells. I have 3. I keep one on my main belt, and I have a second belt that has 2 shell caddies which i only use when the round count is high. You'll need at least one rifle mag pouch on your belt.

Where in PA are you shooting 3G?

BTW, people that come with vests usually won't have a vest the next time that they come out.

Fistful Of Steel
January 21, 2013, 08:51 AM
I found 3 shoots so far within driving distance:

http://www.keystonesportsmenassociation.com/

http://www.lewistownpistolclub.com/

http://www.psashootout.com/

tarakian
January 21, 2013, 10:12 AM
As mentioned California Competition Works, or Nordic Components for shotgun, and I would recommend BladeTech for AR mag pouches.

poortrader
January 21, 2013, 01:27 PM
You can check out Topton or York for matches, but they might be farther for you.

Fistful Of Steel
January 21, 2013, 06:14 PM
I'm in Williamsport but I'm willing to travel a reasonable distance!

Dr.Rob
January 21, 2013, 07:15 PM
You might look like a ninja, BUT this style vest does works with AK style magazines:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004YW6IWE/ref=asc_df_B004YW6IWE2354202?smid=A1TCS2UQOFIXU7&tag=sdcbing95-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B004YW6IWE

USAF_Vet
January 21, 2013, 08:02 PM
Ninja's wear black. :)

I have the 547 Law Enforcement Tactical Vest - OD Green (PVC-V547GT) and it has served me well. for 3-gun, you may have to get an extra pouch for shot shells, but it is a decent tac vest overall.

I've used mine for a tactical carbine class among other things. It doubles as my hunting vest, and I've never been confused with an ancient Japanese assassin.

HJ857
January 21, 2013, 08:04 PM
I don't use a vest, but instead a load bearing harness that attaches to a web belt. It really helps keep everything where it ought to be and doesn't make me feel that my pants are about to fall off every time I run 10 yards.

Where I shoot it's either gravel in dust or gravel in mud and I see a lot of guys that dump their empty mags on the ground, this seems dumb to me. I use a enough dump pouches that I've been called a marsupial, but my stuff doesn't get crapped up either. I've been taught to retain mags, so that figures in to it.

I use a small Maxpedition roll up pouch for 12 gauge ammo. Lots of guys use the 5 or 6 round belt clip retainers, they work well for someone that practices using them, otherwise they seem like an endless stream of fumbling - there is some entertainment value in that though.

I carry two large dumps, one in front and one in back and is not a liability if going prone. I use the front pouch most of the time. Reloading pistol is very easy, keep the muzzle downrange, butt near my chest and eject, the mag drops into the pouch every time and I never have to look at it. Rifle is almost as easy.

Do I look like a Mall Ninja? Maybe. But then again unlike most shooters I'm not dressed in tactical pants, tactical shirt, tactical boots, tactical belt, tactical sunglasses and a tactical hat. I make it a point to wear my usual business casual khakis and maybe a button down shirt, though I do love my Zombie Response Team t-shirt. I figure it would be far more likely for me to put on my harness in an actual bad situation than it would be for me to go and put on a full fashion statement.

It's worth noting that our flavor 3 Gun bears almost no resemblence to the "3 Gun Nation" TV show. So while time is a factor, all out speed is not the answer.

Dr.Rob
January 22, 2013, 02:32 AM
Mine IS black ;) I usually wear jeans some beat up roller derby pads and some Panama lug soled jungle boots.

You may note that an M-65 field jacket will fit 2 30 round magazines in each chest pocket, they make for a decent all around coat.

As for shotgun shells.. those speedy carriers made by Choate and others are pretty well made and will fit on a web belt so they work with my 'rig'. Choate's has a 'fixed' metal loop in the back that can be 'made' a paddle by taking out the bottom screws.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2394267180/california-competition-works-shell-caddy-tactical-shotshell-ammunition-carrier-12-gauge-6-round-2-3-4-and-3-shells-polymer

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/422576/choate-competition-shotshell-ammunition-carrier-12-gauge-6-round-belt-loop-composite-black


Midway has a neat 4 mag pouch that you can sling over your shoulder/neck and thread through your belt that's very inexpensive.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=659538&highlight=midway+pouch

I don't carry a dump pouch & I leave my magazines all over. I have some lurid scratches on a Colt magazine from stepping on it/slid on it leaving the concrete shooting bench.

Also, make clean hits and you don't use as many mags.. less to leave all over.

waktasz
January 22, 2013, 03:08 PM
At all the 3 guns I've been to the tactical vests might as well have "I plan to finish last today" written on them.

Fistful Of Steel
January 24, 2013, 08:37 AM
Thanks for the replies---something to keep my head busy when it's 10 degrees outside. I'm thinking about a muzzle brake but I love how short and sassy the stock VZ is, so I'll probably hold off on too many mods. Although I can beat the sh*t out of my 8" gong at 40 yards, I may look into fiber optic sights and possibly a side mount for a dot scope. Probably not a lot of VZ nuts on here but I wasn't really looking to join another forum. The local multi-gun stuff does look a lot different than what I've seen on TV. I'm generally very competitive but this looks like something to just have fun with and benefit from the practical side of it. :)

Dr.Rob
January 24, 2013, 07:36 PM
You can take away a lot for shooting competitively, even if it's in an informal setting.

Pros of a vest style rig: another layer of protection between you and rocks, cacti, etc. You can 'feel' where your loaded mags are without really thinking about it. Doesn't interfere with going prone like USGI mag pouches from the 60's-90's did. Evenly distributes weight of multiple magazines. Securely retains magazines while moving vigorously.

Cons: Manipulating mag chage requires you to move the rifle when getting mags from the buttstock side. It's slower than a consistant weak hand reach back to the same spot for a magazine. They can be hot, and you can get dirt/rocks/weeds down in the pouches. They tend to be more expensive than a belt style pouch. You can easily end up loading them up with too much stuff that you don't need to shoot a match.

waktasz
January 24, 2013, 07:46 PM
Get a mag coupler and one or two belt mounted mag pouches. How many rounds do you think you are going to need for a stage? Those chest rigs are for guys trying to play dressup, not because they are faster or better than the alternative.

I have never needed more than the single AR mag pouch I carry on my belt, and I almost never use that either.

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