Got a plan, but will it work?


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sdhunter
January 20, 2013, 09:39 AM
I have always wanted to try my hand at working with guns and i think i finally found a good starter project. I want to sporterize a mosin nagant into a nice hunting rifle. I Have watched several very informative videos of people doing this. I have not bought anything yet for this project so any advice before i start buying would be very helpfull, or maybe there is a better project to start with? Thanks in advance for any help i get.

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cat_IT_guy
January 20, 2013, 10:35 AM
Sounds like a good, cheap starter project to me. I have never done one personally. Some traditionalist / historian types will argue that you are butchering a piece of history. Im not one of them. I respect their opinions, but respect your right to do what you want with your property more. Or, you could off to let anyone who has a problem with what you want to do rescue it for twice what you bought it for.

Good luck and have fun!

juk
January 20, 2013, 04:43 PM
I'm thinking of doing the exact same thing. I've got 2 9130s that I cleaned up and refinished. I believe brassstacker.com has some pretty good pieces you may want to look into.

TurtlePhish
January 20, 2013, 05:08 PM
I'm one of those "historian" types that normally doesn't like the idea of a nice war rifle being chopped up.

My one piece of advice: look over and thoroughly research your specific rifle to make sure you don't have something special. Take note of any odd marks or stamps, dates, etc. Lots of information about that kind of thing can be found at 7.62x54r.net.

If you aren't careful about that, you could turn a rare, expensive, collectible variant into something with much less of its original value.

Buck Kramer
January 20, 2013, 05:49 PM
^^^this. At least get a non matching rifle, preferably after 42. Then butcher away :)

Cosmoline
January 20, 2013, 05:54 PM
History aside, you won't learn much about smithing from attacking some old Mosin. Nor will you produce anything particularly worthwhile. You should focus on getting a cleaned up Mauser action and building a rifle around it. That's real gunsmithing. Or get a black powder kit and build one of your own from that. You'll learn about chisel work, inletting, drilling and tapping and a lot of other things in the process that apply to all firearms not just black powder guns. And at the end of the process you'll have something worthwhile and neat looking, even if it isn't perfect. My poor boy style .40 squirrel rifle flintlock has every mistake you can imagine in it, but it still looks nice and works. It's nice to have a starter project that's forgiving. To TRULY put together a properly done military sporter is actually one of the most difficult of all challenges. I have seen some good ones, but they were done by master smiths in the early part of the last century.

Wylie1
January 20, 2013, 06:36 PM
Tools are something I have just looked into myself and without proper tooling gunsmithing would be a hit and miss.

A good metal working lathe used can be had for around $2,000.00 if you're lucky and than you need to know what to look for in a lathe. Tolerances are VERY fine when building an accurate rifle. As well a metal working mill isn't cheap!

In the Mosin you're going to find expenses as well. Surplus ammo is a hit and miss thing if you're looking for accuracy, dies and brass are most likely going to cost more than the Mosin did to show gains in accuracy.

On the other hand stuff like bedding, drilling, tapping, crowning, polishing, texturing for spray and bakes aren't all that expensive to get into.

If your attention to detail is more than that of most you know and have the patience to go along with it maybe a few classes would be a good ground breaker.

I'm no smith but have looked at what it takes to get serious with smithing and the expense is my detourant.

xxjumbojimboxx
January 20, 2013, 06:44 PM
This is a great begginer project, esspecially because arch angel is putting out a sweet ass stock for this gun soon. It looks awefully nice and free floats the barrel.. The most difficult portion of this project is mounting optics. If your able to get the rear sight off, its actually mounted on a dovetail rail. Typically these sights are soldered on, so youll have a hell of a time getting it off unless you heat it up real good. very rarely do they come off without ALOT of persuasion. The problem with this though, is the rear sight was soldered for a reason! the mosin has a serious kick. And will rattle off anything attatched in normal fasion to the dovetail. What I did with mine was installed a dovtail to picatinny conversion, resoldered for stabilty (not hard, just remember to clean the surface down to smooth and apply the flux! dont forget the flux!) then mounted my optics on the picatinny. This prooved solid. The mosin can be very accurate with the right set up. Theres also some monte carlo style stocks that can be bought for like 50 - 70 dollars for mosins... these stocks can be problematic for those who are not any good with a dremel. I bought one of these stocks, and it wasnt cut correctly, It didnt allow for the magzine to cycle rounds because theres a moving part in there that allows the bullet to move up. Anyhow, i had to sand that area down quite a bit to allow for that movement. (I know those arent professional terms, but wehat the hell, im not professional) I dont particulatly think the sanding had much effect on the accuaracy. Then again i never shot it passed 100 yards. so i dunno. Still i ended up trading that mosin. I wish i had it back. Good luck. Dont hesitiate to PM if you have any other questions :)

Wylie1
January 20, 2013, 06:47 PM
The rear sight on a Mosin is held with pins, not a dove tail.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg255/Wylie_Rods/P7230251.jpg

xxjumbojimboxx
January 20, 2013, 07:22 PM
If you take the rear sight off, theres a dovetail rail under there.

xxjumbojimboxx
January 20, 2013, 07:24 PM
Let me rephrase, the plate that the reat sight sits on can be taken off, once you take that plate off theres a dovetail under there. (thats what is usually soldered on)

Wylie1
January 20, 2013, 08:09 PM
I know mine wasn't dove tailed.

xxjumbojimboxx
January 20, 2013, 08:15 PM
Once again, theres a plate the rear sight sits on, the rear sight sits on that plate and if you pull the pins, you can disconnect the rear sight from that plate... that plate i speak of, is sitting on a dovetail... im 99.9 percent posiitve this is true of all mosins,.

d2wing
January 22, 2013, 01:14 PM
I don't know how many thousands of guys chopped up Enfields, Mausers and Springfields in the 50's. you are in good company.

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