Does anyone carry two pocket guns at the same time?


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duns
January 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
When clothing permits, I have carried sizeable guns concealed -- 1911 Government, Beretta 92FS, Glock 23, Walther P99C. However, when I go to work I have to wear business casual, i.e. dress pants, tucked-in shirt, no tie. Here in Texas, with its mild climate, we almost never wear jackets and even on a cold day, on arriving at the office, the jacket comes off. Even if I am at a comfortable temperature with my jacket on, I feel the jacket has to come off otherwise I am the only one wearing a jacket and probably sending a signal that I haven't got down to work and am itching to go home!

As a result, I have found pocket carry the only method that works for me in the office. I carry a J-frame, a S&W M&P 340CT, loaded with .357 Magnum Gold Dots (Short Barreled variety).

Recently, I have become concerned that 5 shots may not be enough given that a not insubstantial proportion of incidents involve two or more assailants. So, I would like to carry another gun to back-up my pocket-carried J-frame. I carry the J-frame in my front right pocket.

I could carry some speed strips or a speed loader but I don't think it is realistic to think of using them under combat conditions (with my level of skill anyway!).

I think my main options would be:

(1) To carry a second gun in my right (strong side) pants back pocket - but my back pockets on all my pants are tighter than my front pockets so another J-frame won't work. It would need to be something much, much smaller.

(2) To carry a second gun in my left (weak side) front pocket and transfer my wallet and car keys that I normally carry there to my back pockets. I would have to draw with my weak hand but I think that would be not very difficult to do with a little practice.

A third option might be to carry a tiny gun like a Seecamp or NAA mini, which could be carried back pocket or maybe on a string round the neck under the shirt, but I'm thinking that use of my primary pocket carry, i.e. the J-frame, would likely have put a bit of distance between me and the assailant(s) and I would likely want something more than an "in your face" gun.

Has anyone else felt this same dilemma and how did you resolve it?

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2wheels
January 20, 2013, 11:47 AM
I've done it on occasion (My J-frame and my P238), but not often. To be honest, I've been lazy lately and have been almost exclusively carrying the J-frame.

I always carry my wallet in my back pocket, and my keys are either clipped to my belt or if I'm wearing cargo pants, they're in the cargo pockets so I've got more free pocket space than you. I can either carry one of my pocket guns in my left side pocket, or ankle carry the P238.

Even though ankle carry ain't my favorite way to carry, it might be something for you to consider. Pretty easy to access an ankle gun if you're sitting at a desk.

jim243
January 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
You will not be happy with a seacamp or one of the small calibers pistols. One of the smaller 9mm pistols might do it for you. Since it is a backup and the 357 your main weapon, it could be hidden on your strong side under your shirt. Not as easy to get to but still there if you need it.

Good luck
Jim

duns
January 20, 2013, 01:00 PM
One of the smaller 9mm pistols might do it for you. Since it is a backup and the 357 your main weapon, it could be hidden on your strong side under your shirt.
Thanks for suggestion. Up to now, I've not been happy with IWB. With a shirt tucked in, I've always found a lot of printing. With an untucked shirt, I've found OWB works just as well. But at work, I have to wear a tucked shirt. But I wonder if IWB would work better with a smaller gun? The smallest gun I have attempted to carry IWB is my Walther P99AS compact (L/H/W: 6.6"/4.3"/1.3"). You've got me thinking that maybe IWB could work if I went with a smaller gun.

Fire_Moose
January 20, 2013, 01:01 PM
I'd say go Kahr or get the LCR, that things slick

useless signiture

doc2rn
January 20, 2013, 03:32 PM
A New York Reload is the fastest way to bring a platform back into defensive mode, but to be honest I personally have never felt 6 wasn't enough. Add a speed loader or strips of 6 and your good to go. I prefer a S&W mod 10 3" but have scaled it down to my Beretta 20a (8+1) when deep concealment was needed for dressing up.

duns
January 20, 2013, 04:18 PM
A New York Reload is the fastest way to bring a platform back into defensive mode, but to be honest I personally have never felt 6 wasn't enough.
Nor me until I saw a THR thread that pointed out the substantial likelihood of two or more assailants and the high probability of missing under stress, plus the likely need to hit more than once to put someone out of the fight When you allow for all these factors, you need as many rounds as you can carry. If dress limits you to snubbies or smaller, then it seems to me that two guns is the way to go.

I'm very tempted to get a Seecamp as a BUG to my pocket-carried J-frame since it maximizes the concealment possibilities. If I didn't have to wear business casual, there would be many more options and indeed I happily carry bigger guns at the weekends.

Utryme
January 20, 2013, 06:32 PM
I carry a full size on the belt and a keltech 380 elsewhere. They ain't no good in the cabinet.

MedWheeler
January 21, 2013, 06:57 AM
I've never carried two pocket guns, but have frequently carried two guns. My pocket BUG is a Kel-Tec P32. Something like that would do you well in a front or even a back pocket. Another J-frame on the ankle is also an option; when I worked the streets, I carried a backup .38 down there, and it never bothered me or came loose at all. Later, I switched agencies to one issuing semi-automatics, and eventually also switched my ankle-gun to a PPK/S.

ArchAngelCD
January 21, 2013, 09:45 AM
You can conceal a slightly larger handgun which carries more rounds in one of the "tuckable" IWB holsters available on the market. You can tuck in your shirt yet have easy access to your pistol. I carry a J frame daily and feel it's good enough but I'm retired and I'm not in a business environment where an active shooter can be a problem. The Crossbreed SuperTuck and MiniTuck are examples as are the ones made by Blackhawk, Galco, DeSantis, Don Hume, Blade Tech and most other makes too.

Plan2Live
January 21, 2013, 07:11 PM
Based on the attire you described, have you considered the "holster shirts" as an undershirt? Similar to a shoulder holster but hidden under your dress shirt. It's an option I have considered for a BUG or deep concealment when dressed similarly to what you described.

ACP
January 21, 2013, 07:16 PM
I carry two S&W 642 Airweights with Crimson trace grips in DeSantis pocket holsters, left and right front.

In the summer I wear cargo shorts which allows for keys, knife, Speed trip, wallet, etc. to be carried in other pockets.

In the winter I wear a jacket or vest to carry car keys, etc.

Another option is, as you suggest, to carry something like a Seecamp in a rear pocket.

351 WINCHESTER
January 21, 2013, 07:39 PM
I usually carry my lcp and my p32, strong and weak hand plus 1 extra mag for each gun. NY reload is much quicker than a mag change plus I have a backup in case I loose my lcp or it jams or breaks.

tekarra
January 21, 2013, 08:45 PM
Sometimes a couple of J frames seems right.

Randyc74
January 21, 2013, 10:13 PM
I've often carried a S&W J frame in my strong side front pocket and a Ruger LCP in one of my pocket convertable holsters in my weakside back pocket.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy117/BulldogCustomGunLeather/SampW442_zps9d751b5c.jpg

Rexster
January 25, 2013, 05:56 PM
I have worn two SP101 snubbies, one in each front pocket, using Galco thin horsehide pocket holsters, while wearing Wrangler Riata slacks. (Riatas are like Dockers, but we all should know not to buy Dockers by now.) Obviously, an SP101 is relatively large and heavy; a J-snub makes life easier.

I got away from this two-sided carry ensemble, however, when I realized that if bent at the hips, which IS likely to happen during a physical confrontation, I woud be unable to gain access to either weapon, until able to extend at least one leg, and have a free arm on the same side. I do still carry one pocketed snubby regularly, but almost always with another weapon worn elsewhere.

Ankle rigs are an option, but only if the pants are sufficiently voluminous and long, and not constructed of clinging-type fabric. Really, if one is sitting and rising regularly, it is difficult to keep the pants leg from climbing high enough to reveal the bottom of the ankle rig. Rubber grips, and other grip textures, can grab fabric, making this problem worse, so beware of this. Velcro and/or stitching on the rig can also grab the pants leg, particularly at a seam.

One should develop the habit of discreetly crossing one's legs at the ankles, when sitting, to help cover the leg that is bearing the ankle rig, and upon rising, discreetly assisting the fabric in sliding freely down the leg to keep the rig covered. Moreover, wearing a thin sock under the ankle rig, and a second, normal sock over the lower part of the rig, will help camouflage the rig if the pants leg rises a bit too high.

I should say I am of very mixed feelings when I mention ankle rigs. It takes diligence and dedication to maintain true concealment. But, coupled with pocketed weapons, ankle carry can allow an accessibility option that could be a life-saver.

Keep in mind that while crouched low, behind cover, an ankle rig is more accessible, at that moment in time, than a gun inside a front pocket. The same is true if seated at a desk.

Win73
January 25, 2013, 10:37 PM
I carry a S&W Model 637 Airweight .38 snubbie in my right front pants pocket and a Ruger LCP .380 in a Bulldog holster on my belt that looks like a large cell phone holster. I have never been questioned by anyone about it or ever had any indication that anyone thought I had a gun in it. In fact, a good friend that I go to church with that knew I always carried, thought it was a cell phone until I showed him differently. And it actually makes for a pretty quick draw.

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u570/TruckinHunter/Guns/100_0669.jpg

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u570/TruckinHunter/Guns/100_1081_zps9c073065.jpg

Hunter125
January 25, 2013, 11:09 PM
I'm curious Rexster, why no Dockers?

Travismcgee
January 26, 2013, 01:05 AM
I have never carried to guns in my pants pockets

Carry a j frame all the time

Sometimes something else in my jacket

scaatylobo
January 26, 2013, 01:01 PM
I have carried 2 or 3 handguns depending on where I was working or traveling to/from.
I have gone from a North Amer.mini .22LR to a high cap handgun with a S&W 442 as a third gun.
Depending on the remote [ yes its remote ] possibility of a confrontation,I want to know that I am as prepared as humanly possible.
The worst scenario is thinking to yourself just prior to getting shot "gee I have SO many gun's in my SAFE at home".
To each his/her own and just pray it enough.

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