Pro-Gun Win in Vermont!


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Justin
January 21, 2013, 02:53 PM
The proposed ban on so-called "assault weapons" has been withdrawn!

http://www.wcax.com/story/20637428/gun-control-bill-shot-down-in-montpelier

Gun control bill shot down in Montpelier


Posted: Jan 21, 2013 3:40 AM MST
Updated: Jan 21, 2013 11:12 AM MST
By WCAX News - bio | email


MONTPELIER, Vt. -
A push to ban assault weapons in Vermont is dead. Sen. Phil Baruth, D-Chittenden County, introduced the bill earlier this month. It would have banned assault-style weapons and capped the number of rounds in a magazine to five.

Baruth says he was inspired to write the bill after the Connecticut school shootings. But now he says there is not enough support in the Statehouse or among Vermonters to pass it.

Hooray for the Green Mountain State! Way to go to all of our Vermont members who took action and spoke out on this!

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Chevelle SS
January 21, 2013, 02:54 PM
Some good news :D

mcdonl
January 21, 2013, 02:54 PM
That is AWESOME... I will make sure I share that with all of my local, state and federal reps!!

heavydluxe
January 21, 2013, 03:30 PM
I am very, very happy about this. Now to wait and see what the Fed does or doesn't do...

Pilot
January 21, 2013, 03:49 PM
I think that with emotions waning, and some reason thrown into the mix, the entire, national AWB, mag ban, semi-auto ban is done. It is a loser for politicians, and they know it hence the watered down Obama EO's.

Stop panicking people.

Hoppy
January 21, 2013, 03:57 PM
Glad to hear it Vermont!

BTW, the time is 357

6.5x55swedish
January 21, 2013, 03:58 PM
If a liberal state like VT doesn't have the support to get a ban passed, it isn't gonna happen on a national level.

mrnic3guy1989
January 21, 2013, 04:19 PM
Thank God that their are still sensible people out there.

Double Vision
January 21, 2013, 04:38 PM
This is good news indeed.

LemmyCaution
January 21, 2013, 04:48 PM
If a liberal state like VT doesn't have the support to get a ban passed, it isn't gonna happen on a national level.

Liberalism in VT is different from liberalism in the rest of the US.

That, and the fact the the VT Supreme Court ruled against such bans (http://www.guncite.com/court/state/55a610.html) over one hundred years ago.

Your mileage may vary in other jurisdictions.

Onmilo
January 21, 2013, 04:54 PM
Vermont is one of the few Eastern states that has remained vehemently pro gun for over 200 years.
Liberal really does apply to gun laws in that state. There aren't many! :)

joeschmoe
January 21, 2013, 05:02 PM
How can we support his defeat in the next election?

Who will run against him?

parsimonious_instead
January 21, 2013, 05:08 PM
As glad as I am to hear this, it's defensive in nature.
When I communicate with my elected officials in NYS, I not only tell them I'm against the SAFE ACT (Cuomo's new gun regs), but I'm in favor of the repeal of the NYS AWB and the Sullivan Act, too.

chris in va
January 21, 2013, 05:10 PM
Don't they have Constitutional Carry in Vermont?

parsimonious_instead
January 21, 2013, 05:17 PM
Don't they have Constitutional Carry in Vermont?

They do... and it's great! What a neat feeling - back in 2010, going from having just done the beg-and-wait routine for a pistol permit (just to own the gun), to borrowing the instructors 1911s and carrying them openly on my hip during breaks. Amazing how I didn't do anything weird, and no one got injured or killed. It's as if permits and gun control are ineffectual smoke and mirrors, or something like that...

clutch
January 21, 2013, 05:28 PM
Not to be argumentative, but how is it that Leahy is their senator? :confused:

6.5x55swedish
January 21, 2013, 05:55 PM
Vermont didn't lead the way... they never left the way like other States did. VT is the only State that does not have any gun legislation on the books.

Leahy is their Senator because VT doesn't believe in fixing what isn't broken... He has worked for them for decades.

I will point out that Coolidge was their President... The Vermont way of thinking is pretty unique.

We probably would have done well to back their choice for President back in 2004.

DBR
January 21, 2013, 06:58 PM
Actually Vermont does have a couple of gun laws.

You can't own a suppressor (silencer) except for LE and GOV.

You can't carry a loaded long gun in a vehicle including ATVs except on your own property.

barnbwt
January 21, 2013, 09:03 PM
I think that with emotions waning, and some reason thrown into the mix, the entire, national AWB, mag ban, semi-auto ban is done.
The hamfisted overrreach by NYC's Governor helped put peoples' priorities back into perspective, too. The Sandy Hook shooting was a tragedy with a massive, visceral public reaction; but the NY-AWB is an ugly -and enduring- stain on the gun-grab movement. Gunnies will be carefully following the process of that law's trial and ultimate repeal for months/years after the anti's have grown weary of the children of Sandy Hook and callously cast them aside.

You can't own a suppressor (silencer) except for LE and GOV.
Why would LE/Gov need suppressors? Aren't they the tool of assassins? Who's the govt. assassinating???:eek:

TCB

6.5x55swedish
January 21, 2013, 09:19 PM
DBR:

I think if you look up those two exceptions you will find that they are not "gun laws" but attached to other laws unrelated to gun control. I stand by my original statement.

greenmtnguy
January 22, 2013, 02:03 AM
Thank goodness! I was concerned that the old homestead was going to heck in a handbasket after I moved to New Hampshire in 2001.. At least there are still some cool-headed, reasonable people still in the green mountain state!

Ehtereon11B
January 22, 2013, 04:09 AM
Wow. I am very surprised by my adopted state. Usually when Burlington or Montpelier get struck by the "good idea fairy" the rest of the state gets dragged along for the ride. This is good news indeed.

mcdonl
January 22, 2013, 06:21 AM
Thank goodness! I was concerned that the old homestead was going to heck in a handbasket after I moved to New Hampshire in 2001.. At least there are still some cool-headed, reasonable people still in the green mountain state!

Good NH news yesterday too. Machine gun sales and registration is off the charts.


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6.5x55swedish
January 22, 2013, 06:39 AM
Wow. I am very surprised by my adopted state. Usually when Burlington or Montpelier get struck by the "good idea fairy" the rest of the state gets dragged along for the ride. This is good news indeed.

What gives you that idea? I am Vermonter through and through and our reality has always been that "flatlanders" move up there from CT and MA, after wrecking their own States, because of how simple and laid back we are and then try and turn us into what they left behind... So far VT has resisted.

Now I live in CT and am trying to fix all the damage they did to their own state.

LemmyCaution
January 22, 2013, 08:47 AM
Not to be argumentative, but how is it that Leahy is their senator? :confused:

Leahy is a shooter, and has a range at his home in Middlesex, VT.

He's also a strong proponent of all civil liberties, not just the 2A. He still has progress to make, however. He still favors an AWB. Whether or not that's a strong conviction or a political stance remains undetermined. Regardless, he's a damned sight better than Feinstein and Schumer. As is Bernie Sanders.

lobo9er
January 22, 2013, 08:49 AM
Vermont is a leader in gun rights. Only a few hour drive from NY also.

parsimonious_instead
January 22, 2013, 01:44 PM
The hamfisted overrreach by NYC's Governor helped put peoples' priorities back into perspective, too. The Sandy Hook shooting was a tragedy with a massive, visceral public reaction; but the NY-AWB is an ugly -and enduring- stain on the gun-grab movement. Gunnies will be carefully following the process of that law's trial and ultimate repeal for months/years after the anti's have grown weary of the children of Sandy Hook and callously cast them aside.


Why would LE/Gov need suppressors? Aren't they the tool of assassins? Who's the govt. assassinating???:eek:

TCB

A DHS Agent walked onto my Range about 1.5 years ago. Very nice fellow, brought his kids. Had an MP5, 5.7 FN pistol, and a Sig. Due to a bit of confusion about the range rules, he assumed he couldn't use one other item he brought: a full auto Ingram in .45 ACP, suppressed. Not sure what application it had in his duties...

OpelBlitz
January 22, 2013, 01:57 PM
Good to hear.

SigSour
January 22, 2013, 01:59 PM
Awesome.

trueg50
January 22, 2013, 02:13 PM
Leahy is a shooter, and has a range at his home in Middlesex, VT.

He's also a strong proponent of all civil liberties, not just the 2A. He still has progress to make, however. He still favors an AWB. Whether or not that's a strong conviction or a political stance remains undetermined. Regardless, he's a damned sight better than Feinstein and Schumer. As is Bernie Sanders.
Leahy goes to the highest bidder. Just look at his support for PIPA after a $300k campaign contribution from the MPAA. He also wanted to make all email accessible by the government.. He is no friend of ours, but sadly people vote him in out of tradition and without researching it.

Centurian22
January 22, 2013, 02:24 PM
Awesome!!!

Scrumbag
January 22, 2013, 02:40 PM
I new I liked VT!

Ehtereon11B
January 23, 2013, 08:28 PM
What gives you that idea? I am Vermonter through and through and our reality has always been that "flatlanders" move up there from CT and MA, after wrecking their own States, because of how simple and laid back we are and then try and turn us into what they left behind... So far VT has resisted.


Just feelings and attitudes I always got in Burlington and Montpelier, especially around UVM campuses. Anti-war protesters on Church street marketplace, hippies with long dreads and haven't showered since the beginning of the year. But small towns like Woodbury, Northfield, all of Washington county outside Montpelier really. Up near the Canadian border all have firearms and proud of Vermont history.

friscolatchi
January 24, 2013, 01:04 AM
Hmmmm???? I'm only 2 hours away.... Adios Andy! I wonder if they can use a good ED PA? PS, Vermonters - I bleed RED.

6.5x55swedish
January 26, 2013, 09:06 AM
I am also in Healthcare and that is why we no longer live in VT. Fletcher Allan owns everything and Dartmouth owns what is left. Job prospects for a highly Skilled Nurse are slim and pay really poorly. I did interview a couple of years ago for some positions and the pay isn't even half what I make around here. Cost of living there is higher due to the States high income tax rate. We may go back once we retire. And "bleeding red" you would be in a very small minority. VT is predominantly populated by State and Federal Gov workers and they want to keep it that way. So the trend is to vote accordingly. Obama won close to 80% of the vote in November... in 2004 Howard Dean won the state and he wasn't even in the running any longer. VT is definitively a unique place.

Etereon: I agree that Burlington/Williston isn't representative of VT. But all those protesters up around UVM are usually seasonal because of the lake or college, they are not residents and don't/cant vote which is why Burlington isn't capable of overwhelming the rest of the State like happens in NY.

schrodingerscat
January 26, 2013, 09:25 AM
I'm a Proud Vermonter on Hiatus in NC for about another Year. VT is far more gun friendly than NC across the Board.

I was active in VT Politics for a while. Vermont as a whole is a bastion Yakee Conservatism its really only three Counties (Chittenden, Addison, and Lamoille) that have overwhelmingly Liberal populations. Hence Leahy is the FIRST Democratic Senator in VT History (and technically only) the Gov of VT is historically Rep too. Bernie wins because he gets so much publicity and is admittedly super pro-Vermont even when he's a lunatic-also is predictable, never flip flops.

Leahy really is not that bad-the NRA gives him a C. He's a seasoned prosecutor and a friend of law enforcement; has real experience and falls back on that for inspiration. He's probably the closest thing to a friend that we have in a democrat from NE.

6.5x55swedish
January 26, 2013, 12:33 PM
Leahy has been in his seat for nearly 40 years at this point... the political culture 40 years ago was much different than it is today... If he stepped down there is no doubt in my mind that the seat would go to another Democrat.

Bernie voted against the Brady bill in 93. These two are not your run of the mill Party politicians.

Anybody who wants to move to VT because of it's gun laws should not do so... VT also has Socialized Healthcare and the highest income taxes in the Country. It is a horrible place to live and it is dark and cold for 8 months of the year... They only have two seasons, winter and mud season... And the floods... they are really bad... you can be left without power or roads for months.

Shew... Just averted a mass migration...

Nickel Plated
January 26, 2013, 12:49 PM
I don't know if this counts as a win. Did we gain anything? No, we just managed to keep things as they were.
I think we need to stop calling it a win when we just manage to hold the ground we already have. It's a win when we go on the offensive.

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