Obama needs to listen to what he said today


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gym
January 21, 2013, 03:23 PM
He swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States. That contains the Right To Bear Arms, So it can't be both ways either you swear to protect it or not. By protecting it he is contradicting any "gun control" issues that fly directlly in the oposing side of our laws.
Another example of outright lying on the Presidents part.
Someone needs to point this out to him, It doesn't say "except for Obamas interpretation of the Constitution", anyware.

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youngda9
January 21, 2013, 03:27 PM
Do you seriously not understand the other side? They claim they are not taking away your right because they are not taking away any of your guns (right now), they just want to limit the ones you can have.

They are not absolutists in this manner as many of THR members are (I included).

So in their mind they are not "infringing" on anything, and therefore he doesn't believe he is lying while taking his oath.

smogmage
January 21, 2013, 03:34 PM
If you haven't figured out he thinks and does the exact opposite of what he says... then I don't know what to tell you.

Not infringing = stripping everything step by step

Cut the debt in half in my first term = double it


Entitlements Do Not Make Us A Nation Of Takers = Hey there's my voting base! Now pay up working sucker.

Ky Larry
January 21, 2013, 03:36 PM
I fully understood Nobammo when he made the remark about bitter Americans clinging to their God, guns, and jobs. He is a lying, two-faced , elitist who thinks he's better than commoners. He sees himself as special but has no feelings or understanding of working class Americans.

Sorry for the political rant. Please edit or delete as needed.

Godsgunman
January 21, 2013, 03:41 PM
Why would he want to listen to anything he lets out of his mouth? He knows as well as I do that every word he speaks is false.

Deanimator
January 21, 2013, 03:49 PM
If he listened to what he said, he'd never have said half of it in the first place.

gym
January 21, 2013, 04:09 PM
But it is a very good thing to bring up for people like Pierce, who continues to badger the American public for the sake of making money by gaining viewers, the entire argument is over once you play that clip. The NRA should use it in their next "promo" ad campaign.
I swear to uphold the Constituion of the United States of America, dosen't leave any wiggle room at all.

sidheshooter
January 21, 2013, 04:34 PM
Not to hijack, but did anyone else hear Biden stumble for a split second during that exact part of his ceremonial swearing in today?

Anyone ever see the TV show "lie to me" starring Tim Roth...? :D

(Just giving the veep a hard time; he's still our veep, even if I'm absolutely and resolutely 180 degrees around the circle from him on this one.) :evil:

buckeye8
January 21, 2013, 04:43 PM
1st Amendment? Check. (Religious Hospitals / Birth Control)

2nd Amendment? Check. (Assault Weapons Ban)

4th Amendment? Check. (Warrantless Wiretapping)

5th Amendment? Check. (Due Process / killing known U.S. citizens abroad for being terrorists)

6th Amendment? Check. (Indefinite Detention / Guantanimo)

8th Amendment? Check (Habeas Corpus / Guantanimo)

9th Amendment? Check. (Privacy via 4th Amendment)

10th Amendment? Check. (Marijuana laws, Obamacare)

That's only the Bill of Rights. Let's not get started on the rest of the Constitution. If you think that this guy, or anyone working for him, gives a second thought to that fading piece of parchment you referenced, then you haven't been paying much attention.

Sorry if this is too political, but let's be real here.

JustinJ
January 21, 2013, 05:45 PM
buckeye, if you want to "be real here" can somebody explain to me where all this outrage over infringement of the bill or rights was during the previous administration? You say "this guy" as if everything Bush did never happened.

I don't care one bit for the way this administrations record on the constitution but i'm tired of the hypocrites who were awfully silent when their guy was in office.

radiotom
January 21, 2013, 05:54 PM
buckeye, if you want to "be real here" can somebody explain to me where all this outrage over infringement of the bill or rights was during the previous administration? You say "this guy" as if everything Bush did never happened.

I don't care one bit for the way this administrations record on the constitution but i'm tired of the hypocrites who were awfully silent when their guy was in office.
And how about the ones that were complaining about all this during Bush yet are silent now?

SiteManager
January 21, 2013, 06:09 PM
^^^Agreed!

351 WINCHESTER
January 21, 2013, 06:14 PM
Don't listen and believe what he says, believe what he does.

meanmrmustard
January 21, 2013, 06:15 PM
And how about the ones that were complaining about all this during Bush yet are silent now?
True dat. Wait, they were peeving about the debt crisis and war and gas prices.

Now, into Year Five, King Oby has made it worse. That's why they're quiet. Because he doesn't have his predecessor to blame now, and neither do his loyal subjects.

d2wing
January 21, 2013, 06:20 PM
1st Amendment? Check. (Religious Hospitals / Birth Control)

2nd Amendment? Check. (Assault Weapons Ban)

4th Amendment? Check. (Warrantless Wiretapping)

5th Amendment? Check. (Due Process / killing known U.S. citizens abroad for being terrorists)

6th Amendment? Check. (Indefinite Detention / Guantanimo)

8th Amendment? Check (Habeas Corpus / Guantanimo)

9th Amendment? Check. (Privacy via 4th Amendment)

10th Amendment? Check. (Marijuana laws, Obamacare)

That's only the Bill of Rights. Let's not get started on the rest of the Constitution. If you think that this guy, or anyone working for him, gives a second thought to that fading piece of parchment you referenced, then you haven't been paying much attention.

Sorry if this is too political, but let's be real here.
Exactly.

yokel
January 21, 2013, 06:50 PM
Hardly surprising behavior coming from a supporter of the gun enthusiast who merely hates what they do, why they do it, and who they are.

But, he says it in an appealing way, giving us hope.

michaelbsc
January 21, 2013, 07:39 PM
And how about the ones that were complaining about all this during Bush yet are silent now?

I wasn't silent then, and I'm not silent now.

The best thing I've heard recently is a little poem.

Republicans are red.
Democrats are blue.
Neither one of them
Cares about you.

But this is a gun site, so I try to keep a lid on it here. I think I've already gotten more than one thread locked despite my best efforts to stay focused.

sidheshooter
January 21, 2013, 07:48 PM
That's right; annoyed by Bush subverting the document, annoyed by Obama carrying on the tradition. We're down to splitting hairs to tell any difference these days.

Now back to gun threads.

buckeye8
January 21, 2013, 07:58 PM
JustinJ, like the others who have commented, I am well aware that neither of the two major parties has a monopoly on disrespect for the Constitution, and I was very vocal about it during the prior administration as well.

Sorry to the rest of you, for derailing the thread...

Gordon_Freeman
January 21, 2013, 07:58 PM
This is why I'm a Libertarian. Democrats and Republicans need to learn about what freedom really means and not infringe on our rights.

BHP FAN
January 21, 2013, 08:03 PM
I KNEW it was all Bush's fault!

4D5
January 21, 2013, 11:40 PM
They know exactly what they are saying.

I'm reminded of a MIL saying that went:
Oh what a web he does weave, when it is but to deceive.

The key platform first time around was to "fundamentally change America".
No mention of how, but we are seeing the how now.

The first step; nullification of the 2nd amendment.

481
January 22, 2013, 09:48 AM
Don't listen and believe what he says, believe what he does.

This.

Dear Leader speaks volumes and says little. It's his actions; those are what expose the content of his policy.

radiotom
January 22, 2013, 09:56 AM
We need more parties than 2. We need:

Fiscal small government - Social small government (Libertarians)
Fiscal small government - Social BIG government (what the Republicans say they are, nobody fills this role, Tea Party tried)
Fiscal BIG government - Social small government (Democrat)
Fiscal BIG government - Social BIG government (what the Republicans really are)

Obviously these are still vast generalities, but it's much better than the extremely flawed left vs right, Democrat vs Republican.

Gordon_Freeman
January 22, 2013, 10:10 AM
We need more parties than 2. We need:

Fiscal small government - Social small government (Libertarians)
Fiscal small government - Social BIG government (what the Republicans say they are, nobody fills this role, Tea Party tried)
Fiscal BIG government - Social small government (Democrat)
Fiscal BIG government - Social BIG government (what the Republicans really are)

Obviously these are still vast generalities, but it's much better than the extremely flawed left vs right, Democrat vs Republican.
I agree with this. I have to vote for Republicans on the national level to defend the 2nd Amendment even though I am a Libertarian. I am a single issue voter on the national level. Defending the 2nd Amendment trumps all other issues. I believe if all firearm owners voted this way, we would not have to fight to defend the 2nd Amendment.

45lcshooter
January 22, 2013, 10:15 AM
OP are you serious???????? Ive never heard of a liberal socialist listening to what they preach or what other people say. I hope the 51% of Americans are happy with all the tax hikes, and stuipd laws that have the door open for more Marxist plans.

ultramag44
January 22, 2013, 10:18 AM
Gentlemen,

He doesn't write his own speeches! He had ZERO idea what he swore to. Like any good actor, he read his lines and played his part for the camera. That was just a nice fictional mellodrama for the 47%ers, hollywod libs and low-information voters.

If you looked very carefully, you could see the marionette wires that annimated him.

radiotom
January 22, 2013, 10:21 AM
I agree with this. I have to vote for Republicans on the national level to defend the 2nd Amendment even though I am a Libertarian. I am a single issue voter on the national level. Defending the 2nd Amendment trumps all other issues. I believe if all firearm owners voted this way, we would not have to fight to defend the 2nd Amendment.
I would also like to point out that I don't think the Fiscal Big Government side for Republicans and Democrats is equal...at least not right now. The Republicans seem to genuinely want to cut spending right now, and the Democrats don't. But you can't say that the Republicans in charge want to cut it as much as the Tea Party does. The Tea Party is still a sizeable portion of the Republican Party.

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