FTF in Remington R1 question


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DavidB2
January 21, 2013, 05:33 PM
Just went shooting with my R1 and shot Tula and Magtech 230 gr roundball. Had multiple FTF issues. Never had that problem with Blazer or Monarch. Curious as to whether I now have an extractor issue or is it just cheap ammo? By the way, FTF happened with both CMC and Remy mags. Please give feedback.

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Jim K
January 21, 2013, 07:40 PM
Failure to fire or failure to feed? I do wish folks would stop using the "FTF" to mean both.

Assuming your mention of the extractor indicates a failure to feed, I think we need more information, like what exactly happened. Can you provide pictures of what the gun looked like (stovepipe, nose jam, etc.)? Maybe the ammo is underpowered and didn't operate the slide fully.

Jim

DavidB2
January 21, 2013, 08:19 PM
Just to clarify, I meant "failure to feed". The case of the fired round did not eject from the barrel; causing a jam. This happened several times with both Tula and Magtech ammo. Never had a problem until now. I tried by the CMC mags and Remy mags and had the same problem with both. Am going out again with some Remington UMC ammo I have and see how that works. I hope it is cheap ammo and not an extractor issue.

The Lone Haranguer
January 21, 2013, 08:47 PM
The case of the fired round did not eject from the barrel; causing a jam.
It sounds more like you had a failure to extract or eject.

Failure to extract (aka double feed):

http://fototime.com/628C59274F026F0/standard.jpg

Failure to eject:

http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/8p/q1/clear-stove-pipe-semiauto-pistol-800X800.jpg

or:

http://fototime.com/C435EE0ADE5A9F6/standard.jpg

Do any of those look familiar?

Urban_Redneck
January 21, 2013, 08:54 PM
Just to clarify, I meant "failure to feed". The case of the fired round did not eject from the barrel; causing a jam.

That is a Failure to Eject (FTE)

Check your extractor it may have "clocked" which means turned in it's tunnel and is not fully engaging the case rim.

More likely it's a combination of poor extractor tuning and the Tula ammo leaving residue in the chamber. brass cased ammo fired after steel case ammo can create extraction difficulties. Best give the chamber a good scrubbing and retry.

$0.02

Patrick Gookin
January 21, 2013, 09:02 PM
I've always had Failure to Eject issues with TULA ammo in my 1911. Everything I've ever shot has worked perfectly except TULA.

DavidB2
January 21, 2013, 09:38 PM
My problem is failure to extract. Thanks for the pictures. I really hope it is just an ammo issue; not an extracter.

Urban_Redneck
January 22, 2013, 06:26 AM
Let us know how it all works out.

WoodchuckAssassin
January 22, 2013, 06:36 AM
Tula Ammo might be dirty and cheap, but I've never had a problem with it. I put 100 rounds of it down range last weekend without one problem. On the other hand, I've had reeeeeeal bad luck with Magtech Ammo - lots of bad primers and FTF's (that is to say, "Failure To Fire" :D )

Every guns different. I just wouldn't use that ammo anymore. No point in trying to "fix" your gun just so it can shoot crap ammo.

Hacker15E
January 22, 2013, 07:30 AM
My problem is failure to extract. Thanks for the pictures. I really hope it is just an ammo issue; not an extracter.

The extractor "clocking" issue is one that you can eyeball and is a simple fix.

The Lone Haranguer
January 22, 2013, 09:54 AM
If the fired case isn't even being pulled out of the chamber and the top round butts up against it, as in the first picture I showed (sorry it is a little blurry), there has to be some mechanical problem with that extractor. Pull back and lock the slide and see if there is even a hook on it.

DavidB2
January 22, 2013, 11:35 PM
The extractor seems fine. It ejects the casing when I pull the slide back manually. The "hook" on the extractor is still intact. I am going out with Remington 230 grains in the next couple of days. Hopefully, this has only been a bad ammo issue. Shipping out to Afghanistan in a week; so I won't be able to deal with this problem until I return.

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