How many AR-15's are there at a gun show?


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umadcuzimstylin
January 21, 2013, 11:38 PM
Im wondering how many AR-15's will be at a gun show for sale? Its in Houston Im wonder what would be about average 3? 300? What kind of selection will it be? Im leaning towards the Colt LE6920 M4 AR-15. I read they stopped putting the Law Enforcement Military stamps on civilian sold models a couple of years ago, would I come across one of those? and how much more should it cost? What is a good or acceptable deal for a LE6920?

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vamo
January 21, 2013, 11:46 PM
Depends on the show, from what I have seen a decent sized show should have a few hundred, but all bets are off after last month's events. I believe that specific AR was going for 1100ish, without all the bells and whistles in November, expect to pay atleast double that now probably more, especially if it comes with mutiple magazines that accept more than 10rds.

juk
January 21, 2013, 11:46 PM
If you really want one, you will want to be there early on the first day. There is no telling how many AR type rifles will be there until you go and look. It seems like most rifles are about 2x what I consider "normal price". For a true colt NIB in todays market, I would expect to pay 2k+. Anything below that would probably be considered a "deal". I wish you luck. You may be one of the very few that can find a rifle that a dealer is selling at the pre-scare price.

umadcuzimstylin
January 21, 2013, 11:53 PM
Man thats lookin pricey! Yeah I plan on being there when it opens.

If yall where in the market for this gun right now what would you be willing to pay?

mljdeckard
January 22, 2013, 12:00 AM
If you would have asked 60 days ago....

MaterDei
January 22, 2013, 12:04 AM
Your best bet, you are mad because I am styling, would be to wait for a while. If you MUST have one now, all of the sudden, then go early and bring loads of cash.

Infidel4life11
January 22, 2013, 12:09 AM
I was just at one in Springfield and I bet there were under 50 on the tables but 40% of people there were carrying one around wanting a million dollars for it.

ApacheCoTodd
January 22, 2013, 12:13 AM
They, magazines and ammo were all thick on the ground at the Phoenix Fairgrounds show last weekend.

vamo
January 22, 2013, 12:14 AM
I wouldn't buy an AR at the current prices, even if you were to find one for under 1500 it is probably a cheaper one that was going for 700 back in November. If you live in a state that you're relatively sure isn't going to pass a ridiculous law just wait it out.

umadcuzimstylin
January 22, 2013, 12:53 AM
I live in Texas but federal law supersedes state law so if they ban assault weapons I will never be able to buy one in my life!

JHenry
January 22, 2013, 12:59 AM
the one i went to this past weekend had loads of ARs, Aks, Vz-58s, etc. however youll be hard pressed to find any good deals. The only semi decent prices i saw was a firing line built milled AK for $1150, a Vz-58 for $850(it was wearing its thumbhole stock, so im guessing people werent to interested in it lol), and a norinco underolder in .223/5.56 for $1200.

ARs were topping $2200 for your most basic version so good luck on that. If i were you i would go and see what if anything has a reasonable price and go after that.

vamo
January 22, 2013, 01:05 AM
The feds will never get an assault weapon's ban through with congress's current make up. Hi cap magazine ban would be a longshot, but if you're concerned buy a couple of them and wait for the guns to get semi reasonable again.

Welding Rod
January 22, 2013, 01:14 AM
I agree with vamo. I think any federal gun ban in the next 2 years is extremely unlikely.

Now if the house turns next election that would change, but for the next 2 years I don't see it. I expect prices will be coming down over the next several months. For sellers, I think they better hurry as they are likely to lose equity every week they hold out in hopes of a major jackpot.

umadcuzimstylin
January 22, 2013, 04:58 AM
When do you think the AR's are going to be finally in stock and prices back to normal?

Going to a gun show Saturday and getting 7 30 round magazines for the AR and 7 15 round clips for a glock 19 at the very least. If prices where still normal I would get the AR-15 and a glock 19 for concealed carry.

chris in va
January 22, 2013, 05:06 AM
I went to a gun show two weeks ago. Run of the mill AR's were priced at $1500, 20rd mags at $40.

Kicking myself for not picking up a Saiga x39 for $375. I converted one a few years ago, probably could double that price with a couple hours work and $150 in parts.

Going to a gun show Saturday and getting 7 30 round magazines for the AR and 7 15 round clips for a glock 19 at the very least. If prices where still normal I would get the AR-15 and a glock 19 for concealed carry.

Yeah, good luck. Hope you're rich.

umadcuzimstylin
January 22, 2013, 05:44 AM
Think I should pay those sort of prices? Are they gonna go back down? Clinton implemented a 10 year ban and Obama wants to make it a permanent ban! I know I would kick myself forever if that happens and I didnt buy one. The prices like they are and it being out of stock EVERYWHERE makes you think theres going to be a permanent ban and if thats the case I suppose they are worth double.

WoodchuckAssassin
January 22, 2013, 07:43 AM
I went to a show over here in Virginia, and by Saturday afternoon there wasn't A SINGLE AR left! It was a pretty big venue, and they were still all sold out! There were still a few AK's, but like another poster said, they were WAY out of my price range.

Get their early if you want an AR...or bring your first born son for a trade-in on an AK.

Sav .250
January 22, 2013, 08:32 AM
Any guess is a good one.

jmorris
January 22, 2013, 09:38 AM
0 reasonably prices AR's can be found at a gun show.

tuj
January 22, 2013, 10:06 AM
Based on the studies of the last assault weapons ban, prices tend to peak for the proposed banned items right about the time legislation is introduced and debated in Congress. Prices fell after the 94 ban actually went into effect.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/173405.pdf

To answer the question, there will be zero reasonably priced AR's at any gun show right now. Now is not the time to buy an AR if you can wait. If you are in Houston, I suggest contacting Memorial Shooting Center and getting on their waiting list for an AR; they still are selling for reasonable prices when they have them.

Right now supply cannot meet demand, leading to incredibly inflated prices. However if you can wait, you will probably be able to get an AR at about half the price of current prices.

Silverado6x6
January 22, 2013, 10:24 AM
I have two AR rifle, one with a carrytop and scope the other a flat top with a red dot scope, one is a preban Bushmaster. To me they are little more than safe queens, I have better stuff.

I am waiting for the peak demand so I can get enough money to pay off a nasty back child support plus deliquent property taxes.

I also had a mild heart attack yesterday so it would be nice having a bit of emergency cash.

Welding Rod
January 22, 2013, 11:20 AM
I am waiting for the peak demand....

I think that was the day before Obama announced his 23 executive orders, a week or two ago.

fatcat4620
January 22, 2013, 11:23 AM
When do you think the AR's are going to be finally in stock and prices back to normal?

Going to a gun show Saturday and getting 7 30 round magazines for the AR and 7 15 round clips for a glock 19 at the very least. If prices where still normal I would get the AR-15 and a glock 19 for concealed carry.

That's going to cost at least $600(and maybe over $800).

matt 7mm
January 22, 2013, 11:45 AM
NOW is the time to sell AR's not buy them

Fishbed77
January 22, 2013, 11:57 AM
Kicking myself for not picking up a Saiga x39 for $375

How recent was that? I'd be kicking myself too. :)

I just picked one up for $470 a few weeks ago (right around Christmastime) and that's the cheapest price I've seen anywhere for a while. I've already "restored" it to its proper configuration!

fallout mike
January 22, 2013, 01:04 PM
I would have to say 56.

TCBPATRIOT
January 22, 2013, 01:45 PM
I bought a receiver before things got stupid. I paid 140 out the door, I went to my dealers shop the other day and the exact same "gun" was 425, I didn't bother even asking if that was the OTD price. I was able to find a deal on some M855 that he was unboxing as I walked in and bought enough to get a nice discount. He wasn't even expecting to get anything in for a while.

UnderTheGun
January 22, 2013, 03:10 PM
The one at Reliant this past weekend had plenty. They were all about double the pre-Newtown shooting price. Magazines were the same - about double and sometimes triple.

As others have stated, if you can wait, do it.

Acera
January 22, 2013, 03:52 PM
I agree with UnderTheGun, few hundred at the Reliant show this past weekend, with dozens walking around on the backs of individuals trying to sell them. Was there both days and did not see the volume of panic driven sales like previous weekend shows in Conroe, Pasadena and Stafford.

The "High Caliber" gun show with be in Houston this weekend at the GRB, I suspect that you will have plenty of choices there, abet at a higher than normal price, but available for purchase.

umadcuzimstylin
January 22, 2013, 04:54 PM
If yall where me and didnt have an AR would you buy one at these prices incase they get banned again? Thats my and everyone elses big fear. If they are getting banned these prices are understandable. Do you think theres no way they will get banned? Some of yall say wait till the prices go down, how long will that be?

mljdeckard
January 22, 2013, 09:22 PM
It's looking very unlikely right now. I think that in six months, after the panic has died, the legislative push is settled, and supplies have caught up with demand, the market will be flooded with new guns as well as used ones people bought out of panic. If I were looking to buy an AR, I would eat some ramen now, and scrape together $1000 for July.

KTXdm9
January 22, 2013, 10:22 PM
Unless you like massively overpaying for things, I'd say wait. The panic will subside when people regain their senses and realize no ban will pass.

M1key
January 22, 2013, 10:54 PM
There are no guarantees we will see lower prices in six months to a year. In this political climate, that is a long time. If any restrictions are passed (likely in my view) there will be no sunset clause.

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forestdavegump
January 22, 2013, 11:28 PM
NOW is the time to sell AR's not buy them Copy that! Ah 1993 and election scare 07 all over again?

Carne Frio
January 22, 2013, 11:55 PM
42, the answer is always 42.

Zeewad
January 23, 2013, 12:17 AM
A Colt LE6940 was going for $2600-$3000 on the average on Gunbroker a couple weeks ago.

A gun show here had the same AR Colts NIB for $3500. I don't know if any were sold, but that was the price Jan. 5, 2013.

nathan
January 23, 2013, 12:43 AM
You will get ripped off if you want an AR. And besides you will have a hard time finding 5.56 ammo . Be ready to pay $1 for brasscased . Maybe $ .75 a round for steelcased ammo .

The one thats selling are Mosin Nagant rifles. The cheap rifles are being bought in a heart beat as ammo is still within normal range.

vamo
January 23, 2013, 01:12 AM
If yall where me and didnt have an AR would you buy one at these prices incase they get banned again? Thats my and everyone elses big fear. If they are getting banned these prices are understandable. Do you think theres no way they will get banned? Some of yall say wait till the prices go down, how long will that be?

I don't currently have an AR, I do have the savings to buy one at todays prices without completely breaking the bank. An AR is definitely on my wishlist, but I'm not buying at these panic prices. They won't be banned moderate democrats are backing off and few if any republicans want to ban them. Keep in mind a ban would have to make it through both houses of congress (probably with a super majority in the senate).

If I had an AR I would be selling, I've seen the Colt M4 clone go for as much as 4k on online auctions when it was 1100 at walmart before the scare.

Gordon_Freeman
January 23, 2013, 02:05 AM
I felt the same way back in early 2009. I paid too much for a rifle and really regretted it a few months later. If I was in the market for a 6920, the most I would pay is $1200.
I know how you feel, and it sucks.

umadcuzimstylin
January 23, 2013, 02:06 AM
Looks like Im not gonna get one. I couldnt possibly spend more than $1600 on one since thats already a 50% mark up.

nathan
January 23, 2013, 02:37 AM
That is right . If you have an AR to sell, this is the time. It s not the right time to buy, you will be ripped off and good luck finding ammo . It will also be a killing at $.75 -1 a round. Rather get you another .22 pistol or rifle to plink around and wait till prices go down . Dont get into the frenzy, you will lose a lot of money .

40x40
January 23, 2013, 12:41 PM
At the last KC GS I went to there were quite a few vendors that had a small supply of them anywhere from 1600 to 2300 for a basic ar, Glad I took the plunge a couple years back.

Brockak47
January 23, 2013, 12:50 PM
I would not buy any assault rifle at these stupid prices they are at at the moment.

They will not get banned, magazines will not get banned. Last time I checked the votes were not there to pass such a bill. Do as you see fit though and be prepared to pay the price of admission. Like everyone said it's a time to sell, not a time to buy. My guess is there will be a decent amount of AR's as companies are churning them out as fast as they can to make the most dough.

dcarch
January 23, 2013, 06:48 PM
Never enough. :D

Skylerbone
January 23, 2013, 07:45 PM
If I were looking to buy an AR, I would eat some ramen now, and scrape together $1000 for July.

That comes closest to my answer but I'd say squirrel away $3,000 to buy a pair and a few cases of ammo and 2 dozen magazines. At the LGS Monday one of the regulars had sold his used AR for $3,600 the previous week and there were 6 on consignment at prices I didn't bother to check.

I was tempted to sell mine, accessories, ammo and all for a hefty price (without too much gouging) but just can't risk being sued by someone claiming my reloads were bad. I've got components to load another 1k this week, all bought at prehysteria prices and I could probably get a pretty penny selling 2 or 3k of it right now but I'm not that guy.

allaroundhunter
January 23, 2013, 08:16 PM
Going to a gun show Saturday and getting 7 30 round magazines for the AR and 7 15 round clips for a glock 19 at the very least. If prices where still normal I would get the AR-15 and a glock 19 for concealed carry.

Okay, let's look at current prices that you will see at a gun show *if* you even find the following items.


Colt 6920 - ~$2,800
Glock 19 - ~$650
7 AR-15 magazines - ~$50/each = ~$350 total
7 Glock 19 magazines - ~$40/each = ~$280 total

That is a grand total of about $4,100.

Would I pay that for what you are asking? Heck no. (But then again, I currently have one and have another on the way for at-parts cost)

Do I think that a permanent ban will be enacted? Again, no.

How long will it take for prices to come back 'down'? I would guess at least 6 months, probably longer.

How long will it take for ARs to stay in stock again? Much longer than a year.


And as a side-note. AR-15s use magazines. Glocks also use magazines as well. M1 Garands use 'clips'.

umadcuzimstylin
January 23, 2013, 10:18 PM
^I was hoping to get...

Colt LE6920 for $1600
Glock 19 for $600, willing to pay $650
7 30 round magazines for $30 a piece.
and some JHP

I want to get the magazines incase they sneak in that ban but dont know if I would let myself buy them for more than $30.

koondawg
January 23, 2013, 10:21 PM
I bought a M&P 15 about a week before sandy hook for $900. I just sold it for $1800. Then turned around and bought a colt 6920 magpul version for $1500. I know thats high for the colt but the way i see it I really only have $600 dollars in it.

Jackal
January 23, 2013, 11:17 PM
In my opinion, there is no AR15 made worth more than $1200. Period.

allaroundhunter
January 24, 2013, 12:43 AM
Umad, what state do you live in? I only ask because it is much more common for states to implement magazine restrictions than the federal government. If you are in a fairly conservative state, I wouldn't worry about it much.

umadcuzimstylin
January 24, 2013, 01:21 AM
"In my opinion, there is no AR15 made worth more than $1200. Period."

Even with the threat of them being banned AGAIN and this time for good!? My guess is you already have one.

^I live in Texas. I know my state is hardcore against what the federal government is trying to do so much so they are trying to pass laws saying its a felony for them to enforce these new gun laws in our state if they go through. That would be wild to see federal agents put in prison for doing their illegal jobs which are against the constitution.

I thought the federal government is trying to limit magazines to 10 rounds.

paintballdude902
January 24, 2013, 01:38 AM
if you are seriously worried pick up an ar lower. theyre way more than they were but way cheaper than a full ar right now... and you will take less of a hit if and when this doesnt pass.

i had an AR get stolen over xmas and now im trying to get a decently priced lower... to do a full build. even at these prices if i spend less than 200 on a receiver it will still be cheaper for me to build my dream AR than to buy one and deck it out the way i want it...

Skylerbone
January 24, 2013, 01:47 AM
If the OP doesn't have the current asking price then waiting is all that can be done. That's a good thing as prices will stabilize one way or the other. I doubt ARs will be banned, magazines perhaps but there are private sales and auctions for items like that.

When the OP scrapes 2 grand together he'll either have enough money to buy an AR or enough to buy a really nice one with money to spare. Win win.

Jackal
January 24, 2013, 01:53 AM
"In my opinion, there is no AR15 made worth more than $1200. Period."

Even with the threat of them being banned AGAIN and this time for good!? My guess is you already have one.

Nope, dont have them anymore. Sold them all at insane prices recently. AR's do nothing that any other semi auto .223/5.56 cant do. Less accurate than a cheap bolt gun (in standard m4gery spec) and generally a bad choice for home defense (look up the reasons). Whats left? Gravel pit/recreation? Ok, that I can understand, but then AK's do gravel pit style shooting better.... I have had 5 AR's of differing quality and even the best just serve no logical purpose. Fun to look at? Nope, one of the ugliest rifles ever devised. I'm not saying they should be banned or anything like that at all. Just, whats the point? AR's for sub $1000, ok. Olympics and DPMS sporticals for $1500, no thanks.

allaroundhunter
January 24, 2013, 02:08 AM
Umad, right now, gun control is about 3rd in line to be considered in Congress. The current fiscal problems, and immigration are to be discussed before firearms.

By the time they get around to actually considering doing something with that, I don't expect much at all to happen.

justice06rr
January 24, 2013, 05:58 AM
They will still have quite a decent selection of AR's at your next show, just expect to pay at least $1200+ for your bare bones M4. For the Colt6920 you are probably around $2000-2500 easy.

Good luck and I suggest getting there very early if you brave the crowds. My other suggestion is to go with a different model of AR that maybe at a more reasonable price.

JRWhit
January 24, 2013, 06:55 AM
How many at the show? I have no idea. We just had a show come through and I wouldn't have gone within five miles of the place. With all the happenings I already knew it would be standing room only with people pushing to get first available at double the price. If it's worth it to you than to each there own. I've had an AR on my list for quite some time but others on that list took higher priority. I look at it like this, if my desire for one was really that great I would have already bought it, I'll either wait and buy one at regular retail, or in what I see as an unlikely event for the next 2 years, they get banned, then I never really had that big of a desire in the first place. The fact that I may never be able to own one,to me, isn't enough to raise the value of what I'll pay. There is just to many other things on the list that I could get three of for the price of one AR at the current value.

umadcuzimstylin
January 24, 2013, 09:29 AM
^Sadly I just realized lately what AR-15's are. Always loved the M16 and once looked it up and the price was $16,000 so I never looked into it again. I never knew an AR-15 is an M4 which is an M16 basically with a 4" shorter barrel. I guess every time I saw AR's in the past they where the ugly ones that didnt even look like the M4-M16. If I had known I would have gotten one when I was 18. I only have one gun and its a WWII Colt 45.

allaroundhunter
January 24, 2013, 10:03 AM
^Sadly I just realized lately what AR-15's are. Always loved the M16 and once looked it up and the price was $16,000 so I never looked into it again. I never knew an AR-15 is an M4 which is an M16 basically with a 4" shorter barrel. I guess every time I saw AR's in the past they where the ugly ones that didnt even look like the M4-M16. If I had known I would have gotten one when I was 18. I only have one gun and its a WWII Colt 45.

AR-15s are not just M4 clones. There are ARs that are M16 clones as well. AR-15 is just a designation for the semi-automatic derivative of the M16/M4 family of rifles.

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aka108
January 24, 2013, 11:23 AM
We have a gun show comming up the first weekend in Feb here in Florida's Capital City (Tallahassee, not Orlando as some think). Went to the last on in early December. Money was flying all all over the place. Lot of people and they were all buying. Quite unlike earlier shows. My purpose in going to the Feb show is to see if there are any "black guns", ammo and reloading components and if so what the prices have done in a two month period. Glad I stocked up way earlier and am not locked into this frenzy.

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