Any experience with the CAI Zastava Tokarev M70A Semi Auto Pistol, 9mm


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Jim NE
January 22, 2013, 12:08 AM
CAI Zastava Tokarev M70A Semi Auto Pistols -

I've seen these on the net for in the 250 ish range new. They're in 9x19, w/ two 9 round mags. Looking for a fifth 9mm for not much money. The Eastern Europe vibe is kind of cool.

Here's a link:
http://www.classicfirearms.com/hand-guns/zastava-m70a

Any opinions? Experiences? Thanks

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Jim NE
January 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
Okay...how 'bout any experience with Zastava pistols in general? Are they good/average/junky?

Wilbert
January 22, 2013, 10:10 PM
Sorry, I can't help ya. I would be interested to find out the same thing. That is a very interesting pistol at a very attractive price. I've wanted one of the tt33's, but the 7.62x25 ammo is getting very scarce around here. One in 9mm would be very tempting

Jim NE
January 23, 2013, 12:35 AM
7.62x25 ammo is getting very scarce

I know what you mean, Wilbert. I saw a very cool "new surplus" CZ-52 in that chambering at a LGS for $299, but only found one source for ammo on the net. I'm sure there are more, but it's not going to be common. Seems like there was more 7.62x25 ammo a few years ago, but less now for some reason (ban paranoia aside.)

Think I'd much rather have a CZ than a Zastava, but I suspect the low CZ price has mostly to do with low ammo availability.

Shadow 7D
January 23, 2013, 05:11 AM
Um, Zastava is the OTHER 'CZ'
as for the pistol, it's the 9mm version of the M57, it's a Tokarev
if you want a Tok, it's for you, with out the trouble of finding x25...

As for build, all of my have been flawless, they are Serb, so 'Yugo' quality, it isn't finished as good as a top end German K98K, but it's better than most stuff that's done by Remchester these days
Oh and the 799,798 mini Mausers are just rebadged Zastava's so the quality is there.

mgmorden
January 23, 2013, 10:46 AM
I've got the M57 Tokarev which is the same gun in the "original" chambering.

Overall its a good gun. Looks odd, but its reliable and decently accurate. If you want a nice plinker or a home defense gun I'd say go for it. Also probably would suffice for open carry, but I wouldn't conceal carry it.

Jim NE
January 23, 2013, 01:32 PM
Thanks Shadow 7D and mgmorden. The information is helpful and much appreciated.

Wilbert
January 25, 2013, 03:37 AM
If they're anything like their older brothers, I would expect them to be just fine. Just the fact that it's in 9mm is appealing. Hopefully some 9mm ammo will show up on some shelves somewhere someday :fingers crossed:

marklmurray
January 26, 2013, 08:36 PM
I noticed they are starting to import these new in 7.62x25 (M57), and 9mm now. I have a very old 7.62 one and I like it. It shoots great and is very, very easy to work on. Breaks down just like a 1911 and the entire trigger group just lifts out and is interchangeable with any other Tokarev (reportedly).

I haven't carried it concealed, because I have better options for that, but one thing to note is that this gun is extremely thin. I've tucked it in my pants experimentally and It seems like it would carry and conceal quite well.

Now that the 9mm is coming, I hope I'll be able to get a 9mm barrel, bushing, and spring to shoot 9mm from mine.

Wilbert
February 3, 2013, 07:59 PM
Did you get one yet Jim?

gatorindy
February 6, 2013, 07:44 PM
Put 100 rounds down the pipe at the range where I picked mine up. Nice gun, just like it's older brother, except in 9mm. Had a little more kick than I expected but not bad at all. It's a military based piece, so don't expect glass trigger or a light pull. I like it. It will share company with it's older relatives in 7.62X25. Now I just need to find a couple more magazines......

Wilbert
February 7, 2013, 02:02 AM
Pictures or it never happened! ;)

PabloJ
February 7, 2013, 02:44 AM
Why buy large (ok it is slim) "steel club" with magazine that only holds nine cartridges?
REAL firearm like second-hand S&W 5906 can sometimes be found for <$100 more.

whetrock
February 9, 2013, 11:59 AM
I snagged one yesterday from JG sale for 260 $. For that price I couldn't really resist. I've got other 9's that are smaller and of higher capacity (like my S&W M&P9C), but have always been interested in Tokarevs in general after purchasing a Romanian TTC 3 or so years ago. I remember seeing 9 MM Norinco Tokarevs at gun shows in the past and they seemed to ask around 200 or 250. I always respected Norincos and believe they were/are fine pieces, though I like the thought of being able to buy something comparable, brand new for the same price. I'm a bit low on 9MM right now, but will follow up with my opinion of this pistol after I receive it. Not looking to carry it, though I'm sure it's more than serviceable, but rather wanted a fun and interesting plinker. It's interesting that Zastava still manufacturers new Tokarevs as well as M48 Mausers. Stuff that's "outdated" by our standards. 7.62 * 25 isn't the bargain it used to be IMHO and is kinda fiery if you catch my drift. Not abandoning the cartridge, but looking for different offerings in the world of Tokarevs. Still have that TTC and a CZ-52 that I'm still very happy with.

wolverine_173
March 3, 2013, 05:17 PM
Where can I get mags for the 9mm m70a?

UnitMaster
July 1, 2013, 11:22 AM
I just got one of these a month ago. My experience has been mixed. When I got the gun, I broke it down and cleaned it, then headed off to the range. The fit and finish seemed adequate for a $239 pistol, although the plastic grips were rough and the ridges were deformed.

The pistol experienced no failure to feed issues, however it did have 4 problems ranging from severe to annoying.

1. Terrible hammer bite.
2. The one of the magazines locked in a position so that it would not drop from the gun. This requires that the gun be disassembled to remove the mag, which is itself a difficult task as the gun wants the mag to drop first before being disassembled.
3. The slide doesn't stay locked in always in the open position when the magazine is empty.
4. It ejects spent brass directly rearward so that it continuously hits me in the forehead.
5. Its a good thing there is both a trigger safety and a hammer block safety as 50% of the time, the hammer will drop while the safety is on when the trigger is pulled!

I took it back to my shop and went to work.

1st. I bobbed the hammer on my belt sander and polished with my dremmel, finishing with a little cold blue. Problem solved.
2nd. I realized one of my magazines had the follower bent at the factory which was preventing the mag release button from deploying. I disassembled the mag and bent back into shape. Problem 2 solved.
3rd. The slide release seems to either be to short, or there is not enough tension on it to lock the slide back when the mag is empty. Unresolved at this point.
4th. spent shells still hitting me in the forehead every other round. Still unresolved at this point.

It is an interesting gun. But there are no aftermarket mags for it anywhere. I guess you get what you pay for.

Not a perfect gun out of the box, but serviceable. Way to unreliable to consider as a serious carry gun.

Jim NE
July 16, 2013, 03:46 PM
Thanks for the input everyone. I should mention that I bought the gun and was not pleased with it, so I sold it. Reliability was not good, but I suspect a break in period would've helped. Regardless, the recoil and report was much greater than any other 9mm I've shot. Less pleasant to shoot than my .40's and '45's, in fact. Kind of wish I'd bought it in 7.62x25 instead, but I wasn't looking to get into a new caliber.

I'd recommend that cartridge to others interested in this gun, though. Gun looked and felt cool, and was inexpensive and quite accurate.

Lj1941
July 16, 2013, 04:55 PM
Does anyone know if the M 70A uses the same magazines as the M 57? If they are the same that would simplfy the mag problem. Mags for the M 57 while not cheap are readily available.:evil:

il.bill
July 18, 2013, 02:34 AM
Does anyone know if the M 70A uses the same magazines as the M 57?

Different magazine dimensions that make them NOT interchangeable from the way they look. If I remember correctly there is a spacer that is located on the frame in the mag well inside the back strap on a 9x19mm Zastava M70A.

Pilot
July 18, 2013, 01:33 PM
Are these newly made guns, or new, old stock surplus pistols?

krupparms
July 18, 2013, 01:59 PM
I have owned quite a few Tokarevs. So far all have been NORINCO made in both 9mm& 7.6225mm. Most of them shot fine &were good pistols. I would use any of the ones I had as a S.D.weapon . They are very reliable & accurate. I have not shot any other models than NORINCO . But as these are copies of a well proven design they should be working better! I think I will just keep my NORINCOS & be happy!

hariph creek
July 18, 2013, 02:53 PM
I would like to, someday, convert one over to 9x23 Win. Mag...someday...

il.bill
July 20, 2013, 02:54 AM
Are these newly made guns, or new, old stock surplus pistols?
Brand new from the factory (in Serbia, I believe).

JasonC1
October 13, 2013, 07:08 PM
I have the 9mm version, the M70A model. It needed a little attention when I got it, but it is a solid pistol and great value for the low price.

The attention was the sights. It comes with a simple metal front blade and rear ears in flat black, not so easy to pick up. Mine were also not aligned properly, seated way off to the right for the front sight. I had it replaced with a properly centered front blade with red dot, polymer - wasn't expensive, but was needed.

It comes with 2 9 round single stack magazines. Note this is one round more than the older Russian TT-33, and it means you don't want to mix the two when looking for extra mags.

The trigger is surprisingly good in single action (which is the normal mode, since racking cocks it etc), and the accuracy (once I got the sight correctly aligned) is very good. It is also slim, barrel heavy, a natural pointer that feels comfortable for me. I normally prefer 3.9 inch barrel compacts over full sized, but this one is so slim (single stack mags do that) that even with a 4.6 inch barrel it feels as small as a compact pistol.

Mine has been 100% reliable - literally not a single failure in at least 500 rounds. 10 round capacity rather than 15 is about its only drawback IMO - the rear sights could be a bit better too I guess, and the original sights are not something I bet my life on. (With the upgrade, no problem). Tolerances are tight and this is a metal pistol, no flimsy about it anywhere. For under $300 delivered it is a lot of pistol.

Just as background, I own 5 different 9mm autos counting this one, to give you a sense of what I comparing it with.

normslee
October 14, 2013, 12:44 PM
I bought a new production Yugo M57 in 7.62*25 from Centerfire Systems last July and I've put 100 rounds of PPU ammo through it. The gun is being sent back for repairs already.

What it does well:
1. It feeds and extracts properly.
2. The trigger is a bit heavy but smooth.
3. Overall, cycles very well

What it won't do:
1. Hit point of aim. At 10 yards it hits 6 to 10 inches low.
2. Even with the front sight post sighted completely above the top of the rear sight, it still shooting way low.

Why it's being sent back:
1. When last cleaning I found a crack in the barrel that goes 3/4 of the way around the chamber portion of the barrel.

Conclusion:
Zastava Yugo makes a inferior, 2nd rate product. If a new production pistol can't fire standard PPU 7.62*25 ammo without cracking the barrel, don't buy anything they make.

marklmurray
October 14, 2013, 12:48 PM
Why it's being sent back:
1. When last cleaning I found a crack in the barrel that goes 3/4 of the way around the chamber portion of the barrel.

Keep in mind the barrels on these are "two-piece" barrels. I've had a 7.62x25 M57 for a couple years and just this year I noticed that 'crack' too. I took it to my gunsmith and he immediately id'd that as the seam for the two barrel pieces. This may be what you're seeing also.

mec
October 14, 2013, 02:49 PM
I tried one a few years ago. It became reliable with ball ammunition after considerable lapping of the rails and a couple of hundred rounds. May have eventually become reliable with jhps also. It was solidly made and all steel. The company that imported it at that time was problematic but I understand that somebody else is bringing it in now.

normslee
October 14, 2013, 03:25 PM
Keep in mind the barrels on these are "two-piece" barrels. I've had a 7.62x25 M57 for a couple years and just this year I noticed that 'crack' too. I took it to my gunsmith and he immediately id'd that as the seam for the two barrel pieces. This may be what you're seeing also.
Thanks for your input. At first I thought it was just a machining mark as the machining is rough to say the least. Using a high power magnifying glass I could see a very faint "V" type notch in the crack or seam. When I drug my finger nail across it, the nail would catch going in both direction. That's when I new the crack or seam had a little depth to it.

Also the crack or seam goes in a straight line around the barrel. I thought that was odd to find a crack that formed a straight line. I believe your right about it being a seam line but I got to admit I'm a bit hesitant to fire it again.

RonJon
October 24, 2013, 03:50 PM
.... are these primer strikes normal looking on yours? It looks like the firing pin drags on the primer as it's being extracted.

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/Ron6Jon/Ammo/M70AA9mmprimers.jpg

Otherwise, my Zastava M70A 9mm works perfectly! :)

RonJon

mec
October 24, 2013, 05:27 PM
That is pretty common with 40 s&w pistols. the usual explanation is that the slide velocity is high enough that the inertia firing pin is still against the primer when the barrel tilts down to unlock. Ive seen glock-fired cases with a straight line from the center of the primer to the edge. I don't think it's a problem.

RonJon
October 24, 2013, 05:30 PM
Thanks MEC - I was hoping for that answer! :cool:
Ronjon

PabloJ
October 25, 2013, 01:55 AM
CAI Zastava Tokarev M70A Semi Auto Pistols -

I've seen these on the net for in the 250 ish range new. They're in 9x19, w/ two 9 round mags. Looking for a fifth 9mm for not much money. The Eastern Europe vibe is kind of cool.

Here's a link:
http://www.classicfirearms.com/hand-guns/zastava-m70a

Any opinions? Experiences? Thanks
I put around 1400 Ruag 9x19 rounds through my Chinese version of this gun which was called Norinco 213 (same gun but with rudimentary lever safety mounted at rear of the frame). Pretty accurate and very reliable gun with ball ammo (very unreliable with JHPs) I would think Serbian made gun would be at least as good as Chinese. When I was a kid I played with some Yugo toys and boy they were real nice.

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