Revolvers at the gun shop


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Sergei Mosin
January 22, 2013, 10:50 PM
Some interesting pieces in the used case today. While modern autoloaders are pretty thin on the ground these days, there were a variety of old revolvers. A little Belgian pinfire, an old H&R .32, two or three Colt Police Positives, two Model 15's (-3 and -4), a nickel Model 58, and the most interesting of the bunch - a Smith & Wesson Double Action First Model in .44 Russian. Never saw one of those before.

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Jaymo
January 22, 2013, 11:03 PM
I'd be all over that .44 Russkie, if the price was one I could afford.
I haven't found that much in the way of nice revolvers.
I've found a couple of nice ones, and a bunch of junk. I'm talking gun-buyback program rejects.

Driftwood Johnson
January 22, 2013, 11:07 PM
a Smith & Wesson Double Action First Model in .44 Russian. Never saw one of those before.

Ya mean like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/Driftwood_Johnson/smith%20and%20wesson/NewFrontSight02.jpg


Probably the funkiest gun I own. Shipped in 1881. Definitely refinished at some point, but I don't care. Loads of fun to shoot, Black Powder only, of course.

Sergei Mosin
January 22, 2013, 11:31 PM
Yup, that's what it looks like, but yours looks a good bit nicer. No idea what it's really worth, but they want eight bills for it and there are other things I'd rather have. Neat gun to look at though.

Jaymo
January 22, 2013, 11:34 PM
Too rich for my blood. Above my pay grade. Etc. Can't afford one.

rswartsell
January 23, 2013, 01:07 AM
I perked up at the mention of the model 15's. Granted .38 spl. but some of the finest .38s ever made. Condition and price?

bannockburn
January 23, 2013, 01:10 AM
I would love to take a look at the nickel Model 58. I never should have traded my blued one so many years ago.

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 01:23 AM
Model 15's are fine revolvers. I can't see how one would regret buying one if he didn't have a K-frame already.

aliveisalive
January 23, 2013, 01:28 AM
Speaking of... Anyone know of a 19-5 in 98percrnt is worth a cool six bills?

Sergei Mosin
January 23, 2013, 01:37 AM
The Model 15's and the Model 58 looked pretty nice, but I didn't handle them, so I couldn't say exactly how nice they are, nor do I recall the asking prices. Might stop back by tomorrow and look a little more closely.

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 01:48 AM
I can't see regretting buying a K frame.

EVER

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/BillLoeb/Kframes_zps44c4efdd-1_zps57e223d5.jpg

788Ham
January 23, 2013, 02:02 AM
I've only got one #15 G, but I sure like it.... looks as though they can grow on you, huh? It shoots more accurate than I can right now, just loaded up 100 rds to take to the range tomorrow, sure hope its nice out there.

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 02:49 AM
I bought three for IDPA

great guns

If only there were a 5"....:(

Radagast
January 23, 2013, 03:32 AM
G.:
All you need to do to have a five inch Model 15 is start with a 6 inch Model 14, Old Fuff, a bottle of White Lightning and a hacksaw. :)

eastbank
January 23, 2013, 10:09 AM
i bought this s&w 10-5 for a song at a small gun shop because of the modifications done on it(200.00) and it is the most accurete revolver i own. eastbank.

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 11:29 AM
a 6 inch Model 14, Old Fuff, a bottle of White Lightning and a hacksaw.

that is a scary image :o

Old Fuff
January 23, 2013, 12:21 PM
All you need to do to have a five inch Model 15 is start with a 6 inch Model 14, Old Fuff, a bottle of White Lightning and a hacksaw.

Interesting thought... :uhoh:

But with a bottle of White Lightning being present I don't know that the barrel would come out at five inches.

If Guillermo is serious Smith & Wesson converted a lot of pre-model 14's and model 14's to barrel lengths running from 3 to 5 1/2 inches, with everything in between. Didn't require any special... ah... lubrication either.

As an alternative, a long-action .38 M&P with a 5-inch barrel is something to reckon with. :evil:

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 12:33 PM
Smith & Wesson converted a lot of pre-model 14's and model 14's to barrel lengths running from 3 to 5 1/2 inches, with everything in between

The problem these days is that any shop capable of doing a good job has a backlog of a year or two.

Old Fuff
January 23, 2013, 12:54 PM
I suspect that if you contacted the company you'd find they were still doing the same work. You might, or might not, have to include refinishing.

If you happened to find a model 14 (or pre-14) that had the front sight and ramp pinned to the rib they could use it on the shortened barrel and not have to replace it unless you wanted something different.

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 01:04 PM
I have a slightly roached model 14...hmmmm

Old Fuff
January 23, 2013, 01:47 PM
I'm not pushing, but you have at least one K-22 that has the front sight pinned to the rib. Look at it and you'll see what I mean. Later production has the ramp as part of the barrel rib, and the front sight blade is pinned to the ramp. It's easier to shorten the former, but it can be done with the latter.

All of the early pre-model 15's were made using pre-model 14 6" barrels or barrel blanks. Sometimes you can tell because the lettering stamped on the side isn't centered.

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 01:56 PM
none of my K frames are early

: (

60s - 80s


none have pinned sights, one doesn't even have a pinned barrel!!! :eek:

If I decide to chop one up I will buy a model 10. They made a trillion of those.

Old Fuff
January 23, 2013, 08:13 PM
Post #11, second from top, on left side. The pin is slightly below the sight ramp in the rib.

Even a nearly blind old man can see it... :D:

CraigC
January 23, 2013, 08:16 PM
I've never regretted buying a K-frame but I've regretted NOT buying plenty. ;)

rswartsell
January 23, 2013, 08:20 PM
Top left too Fuff, Guillermo.

Old Fuff
January 23, 2013, 08:24 PM
I know, but I don't want to confuse you-know-who by pointing out more then one revolver.

CraigC
January 23, 2013, 08:24 PM
The problem these days is that any shop capable of doing a good job has a backlog of a year or two.
Last I talked to Jim Stroh his lead time for minor jobs (like this) was 6-7months. `Tis an easy job, lop off the barrel, recut the crown and mill a quarter inch slot in the rib for a Weigand front sight base. Just cold blue the crown.

rswartsell
January 23, 2013, 08:25 PM
Riiight, gotcha.

Guillermo
January 23, 2013, 09:10 PM
Post #11, second from top, on left side.

U r right

Should have said that none of my .38 special k frames have pinned sights.

That is a K22 (the K22 on the top left is pinned too)

(sorry, it is a sad, meager collection :()

rswartsell
January 23, 2013, 10:27 PM
Hmm, well I'm a sad meager man. Doesn't that indicate they belong here with me in sad meager Loozyanna?

Old Fuff
January 23, 2013, 10:45 PM
Should have said that none of my .38 special k frames have pinned sights.

For this discussion the caliber/cartridge the revolver is chambered for doesn't matter. .22's and .38's were made the same way.

Jaymo
January 23, 2013, 11:51 PM
As much as I love Colts, the K frame Smith is the perfect sized .38 revolver, IMHO.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 12:00 AM
For this discussion the caliber/cartridge the revolver is chambered for doesn't matter. .22's and .38's were made the same way.

I bought three for IDPA

great guns

If only there were a 5"....

I was pining for a 5" IDPA gun. They don't let adults use .22s

Browning
January 24, 2013, 12:07 AM
I've been wanting one of these for awhile.

http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr47/Browning35/Prep%20Pics/8CD474C5-4E6A-4E7C-87E4-5991967D58F5-6200-00000252706B37C0.jpg

Since most higher cap pistols and mags are all sold out or way higher in price maybe it's time.

eastbank
January 24, 2013, 07:18 AM
i would like to have gotten a S&W 66,but none were advailable and this S&W 686 came along. i have put pacmy rubber grips on it for carrying. eastbank.

Old Fuff
January 24, 2013, 11:08 AM
I was pining for a 5" IDPA gun. They don't let adults use .22s

Darn! It might have done wonders for your scores. But anyway, what I've tried to point out is that a 6" K-38 Masterpiece can be easily made into a 5" K-38 Combat Masterpiece (model 15) configuration. All that's involved is to shorten the barrel by 1" and relocate and install the front sight.

The 5" length, which was a very popular option on the .38 Military & Police/model 10 platform, is another choice - and it can be obtained on an earlier revolver that has the famous "long action." Fortunately it is less popular today and so can be found at more advatageous prices then the same gun with a 2 or 4 inch length. As one fan once pointed out, "The 5-inch carries like a 4", but shoots like a 6."

David E
January 24, 2013, 11:09 AM
I was pining for a 5" IDPA gun.

IDPA doesn't allow 5" revolvers anymore.

Old Fuff
January 24, 2013, 11:19 AM
I can understand why. Letting a competitor get the muzzle 1" closer to the target allows a tremendous advantage... :rolleyes:

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 12:26 PM
Damn...I guess I can't justify it

:rolleyes:

Old Fuff
January 24, 2013, 12:42 PM
I have never felt the need to justify anything, and have occasionally created something (more or less) unique - just to be different.

And of course if you don't want to sacrifice a model 14 (not that I would see it that way) you can always keep on the lookout for a pre-model 10 with a 5-inch barrel. They are from being uncommon.

Guillermo
January 24, 2013, 12:59 PM
you can always keep on the lookout for a pre-model 10 with a 5-inch barrel

true

I am likely to pick up another 14 in better shape than the one I have but neither one has a pinned sight.

Old Fuff
January 24, 2013, 05:16 PM
You mean obviously pinned.

The earliest ones had the ramp pined to the rib. later ones had the ramp as part of the barrel, and the blade was pinned. Usually the pins were ground flush, and in those cases it's hard to see them. When the sights were replaced (ramp or blade) the pins show, as is the case with your two K-22's. That's because grinding the pins flush would require rebluing the barrel at least.

1 old 0311-1
January 24, 2013, 05:49 PM
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/kcq1/P1020241_zps0f7e60d8.jpg

rswartsell
January 24, 2013, 08:09 PM
Show off!

1 old 0311-1
January 24, 2013, 08:25 PM
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/kcq1/clapping-1.gif

JRWhit
January 24, 2013, 08:41 PM
can't say that I saw a single one pinned

rswartsell
January 24, 2013, 08:46 PM
Now that's a set of eyes there.

rswartsell
January 24, 2013, 09:13 PM
Maybe I've found a way to live out my dream of rolling in a bed of K-frames?

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