[Justin]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/jan/22/miller-national-assault-weapon-ban-coming-thursday/#ixzz2IkCRmM3u

Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s office confirmed that she will be introducing in the Senate Thursday a new version of the so-called assault weapon ban. A spokesman said the full text will be released at a press conference on Thursday.

The California Democrat intends to expand on the ban that expired in 2004, by including handguns and shotguns, in addition to rifles. She would decrease from two to one the number of cosmetic features on a gun to have it be considered an “assault weapon.” This means that if a gun has just one item like a pistol grip or bayonet lug, then it is illegal. Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed into law the same ban in New York last week.

Furthermore, instead of grandfathering in current firearms, she would create a national gun registry for the government to track lawful gun owners. Magazines would again be limited to 10 rounds.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/jan/22/miller-national-assault-weapon-ban-coming-thursday/#ixzz2IlkCWlXn
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Call your senators, folks. This is the opening salvo.

If you don't know who your senators are, or how to contact them, please go to http://www.senate.gov/ and use the drop-down menu in the upper right-hand corner of the site.

[animator]

So the government goes through all these steps to track lawful gun owners, but what are they doing to track unlawful gun owners??


Inquiring minds want to know...

[rjrivero]

The NRA-ILA has a really nice and easy to use contact form. You just plug in your zip code, fill in your info, and it will already give you a nice form letter you can send off in about a minute. If you use the "remember me" option, you can write ALL your reps in a matter of seconds.

http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx

[Skribs]

What would you recommend we write to a senator who is obviously anti-2A and has responded to our messages with the "I support 2A, but..." responses? I've gotten one from one of my senators, and another poster on here got a similar response from the other.

[rjrivero]

Doesn't matter if they share your views or not. You should still write them a letter.

They need to know you're their constituent and you disagree with this legislation.

They all keep a tally sheet. Make them look at that tally sheet when they place their vote.

[Skribs]

I'm not saying I won't write. I'm asking what to write.

[BullfrogKen]

Anyone remember back in the 90's . . . back at band camp . . . oops wrong story.

Anyone remember when Rush Limbaugh every so often would give out the Capitol switchboard phone number and challenge his audience to call their member of Congress about an issue? He'd do it and it'd be shut down. He did it during the health care debate.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/-44360-1.html


I propose we do it ourselves. Gun owners. We initiate it. Us. The guys on the 'net.


I propose that beginning this Thursday, January 24th at 10 Eastern, we call and ask for our Representative and Senator's staff. Tell them you oppose this bill - if you can get through. And I propose we don't stop calling until close of business Friday.

Be respectful. The operators are not political, they are salaried telephone operators.

Be respectful with the Congress member's staff. We are gentlemen and gentle ladies.


But we will make it clear we oppose this.

Thoughts?

[BullfrogKen]

Skribs,

Tips when contacting Congress:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/basics/

[gc70]

What would you recommend we write to a senator who is obviously anti-2A and has responded to our messages with the "I support 2A, but..." responses?

Tell your legislators what you think. Your message does not have to be long or eloquent, but should clearly and respectfully tell them how you want them to vote.

I personally end messages to anti-2A legislators with a reminder that I am one of the 80 million gun owners in the US. :evil:

[rjrivero]

Bull Frog Ken.....I'm up for it. What about we start a new thread and then spread the word??

[Hoppy]

Just did. Senators Toomey and Casey.
Casey already said he would support AWB. I asked him to stand by his oath and prove he supports the 2nd as he said in a previous reply.
Toomey is hard to read. Two previous responses went into detail about mental health (he is a pediatric psychologist I believe). Not much mention of firearms, so not a definite no vote.

[Zardaia]

I really think the severity of this one is a negotiating ploy. Even she has to know there's very slim chance of passing somthing that broad, but the anti's can tone it down as a "compromise" to pull support from the weaker pro gun folks. Fl senator's 50/50 on it, rubio gave a generaly pro gun yet polititian speak response but nelson is fully behind awb etc.

[JERRY]

im an NRA member, they better already know my feelings about messing with my gun rights.....

[rjrivero]

I've been writing my reps every week. This is the reply from Senator Sherrod Brown (D) Ohio:
Dear rjrivero:

Thank you for expressing your views about firearms legislation.

As a United States Senator, I took an oath to defend the Constitution. The Second Amendment makes clear that Americans have the right to own guns, and the Supreme Court over time has given meaning to this right.

When our children and families are no longer safe at our schools, in our malls, and in our movie theaters, then we as a country must take action. The shocking numbers of public shootings throughout the country last year, culminating in Newtown, Connecticut, demands that we engage in a serious national discussion about gun violence, not just in terms of weapons and bullets, but also including mental health access, public safety officers, and our responsibility both as individuals and a society.

Like all rights, it must be balanced against others. I have supported restrictions on the possession of assault-style weapons so our public safety officers are not put at increased risk, and restrictions on the ability of criminals to possess handguns but I fully support the right of Ohioans to own firearms.

Should the Senate consider this issue in the future, I will support common-sense reforms that protect both public safety and the rights of gun owners. Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely,

Sherrod Brown
United States Senator

This is the reply I got from Senator Rob Portman (R) OH.
Thank you for contacting me about our Second Amendment rights. It is good to hear from you.

I am a gun owner who believes in the right to bear arms in defense of self, family and property. During my 12 years serving in Congress, I received an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association for defending our Constitutional Rights. I opposed the so-called "assault weapons ban" and opposed the Brady Bill. I supported repealing both the Clinton gun ban and the Washington, D.C. gun ban. I voted to protect the private information of gun owners; to protect state gun laws; and to protect firearm and ammunition manufacturers, dealers or importers from lawsuits and damages related to criminal misuse by a third party.

As a life-long hunter, I also believe the rights and freedoms of hunters must be guarded and I developed an executive order that the president signed to enhance hunting and fishing opportunities at wildlife refuges and national preserves. As your Senator, I will continue to protect our Constitutional freedoms and will be a strong advocate for preserving these rights and traditions for future generations.

Thank you for taking the time to contact my office. For more information, I encourage you to visit my website at www.portman.senate.gov. Please keep in touch.


Sincerely,
Rob Portman
U.S. Senator

[BullfrogKen]

im an NRA member, they better already know my feelings about messing with my gun rights..... im an NRA member, they better already know my feelings about messing with my gun rights.....

Don't make that mistake.


I've watched the news the past three weeks and seen about 3 dozen discussions where pro-gun control advocates are floating some survey that they say says NRA members want or are at least comfortable with more gun control.

They are whispering in the ears of our legislators, telling them the average NRA member will accept this. It's only the fringe who opposes it. Don't let them speak for you.


You speak for you.

[Justin]

I really think the severity of this one is a negotiating ploy. Even she has to know there's very slim chance of passing somthing that broad, but the anti's can tone it down as a "compromise" to pull support from the weaker pro gun folks. Fl senator's 50/50 on it, rubio gave a generaly pro gun yet polititian speak response but nelson is fully behind awb etc.

She's asking for the moon, that's for sure.
And we'll smack her down.

Then she'll ask for a quick orbital trip around the moon.
And we'll smack her down.

Then she'll ask for a Molniya orbit.
And we'll smack her down.

Then she'll ask for Geosynchronous orbit.
And, guess what? We'll smack her down.

Then she'll ask for Medium earth orbit.
And she will be smacked down yet again.

And then she'll ask for low-earth orbit.
Only to be smacked down again.

And again.

And again.

I don't want to see her stupid ideas get off the drawing board, much less the launch pad.

Make no mistake, if we put everything we've got into this, we can turn the tide, but everyone, absolutely everyone, must do their part.

[Gordon_Freeman]

I will contact my senators again even though they have already expressed they are on our side.

[2ifbyC]

Everything is calculated in D.C. Reid will not introduce the bill if he feels they don't have the votes. Too early to make predictions but we should keep the pressure on Congress as suggested. Seeing how Reid is from Nevada, he knows it's not wise to bet against the House (our ace in the hole; and yes, that is a malapropism for Harry).

[JERRY]

youre right, being a member of the NRA means im only 5% of the vocal gun crowd on capital hill.

[Skribs]

Dear Senator,

I have received a message from your office stating that you would support further restrictions on weapons. Regardless of your use of the phrase "I support the Second Amendment, but...", I do not believe you support the Second Amendment, and by extension the entire Bill of Rights. As a law-abiding gun owner, I would consider it a form of undue prejudice to consider my rights (and the rights of millions like me) worth restricting for the sake of attempting to restrict a few madmen. Restrictions, I might add, that will not prevent madmen from commiting attrocities, due to the way criminals do not follow the law.

As such, I ask that you represent me by opposing gun control legislation, and supporting legislation that addresses the larger social issues that result in violence (economy, mental health, and overcrowded prisons). If you follow my request, I am willing to donate time and money to help your next election. If you vote in support of S. Feinstein's bill (or any other) to restrict my rights, I will donate time and money to helping your opponents replace your position in office.

Thank you for your time,

I'm thinking something like this, especially because I've gotten the anti responses from them.

[rjrivero]

That looks good Skribs. I like it. Make sure you mention Feinstein's bill

[Ignition Override]

rjrivero: Thanks very much for the helpful link.
Filling the 'form' only took two minutes.

Does it actually count to send more than one of these?

[NaturalDefensiveRights]

Justin,

If they stage a shooting (again...) it has a much better chance of passing. Don't ever let a crisis go to waste - either real or manufactured. But there's no conspiracy, because there are no conspiracies! Conspiracies are just the realm of conspiracy theorists! Lol.

[jamesbeat]

I just hate it when they make the leap of 'logic' that banning guns automatically means safer citizens, as if it is somehow a proven fact.

The flip side is that it paints us as people who don't care if children die so long as we can continue to excercise some vague, antiquated 'right' that they don't consider to be important.

I'm a father, and I feel that my kids will be less safe if this nonsense becomes law.
In fact, I can prove it. My kids will be 66% less safe, as that is what the reduction of my magazine capacity will be if this law passes.

I too want my kids to be safe in malls and movie theaters, and I can catagorically state that they would be a lot safer if their daddy could carry the means to defend them against violent criminals.

As for being safe in school, well I'd certainly be a lot happier if there was a cop or security guard ready to perform the Mozambique Drill on any violent intruder.

Make no mistake, it's the gun grabbers that are responsible for these tragic deaths.
If they hadn't spent so long stigmatizing guns and gun owners, we'd have far fewer tragic events.

[Skribs]

Ah smeg. That's what I get for multitasking. Will edit in a bit.

[2ifbyC]

Does it actually count to send more than one of these?

I mailed a letter to my Congressman and called his office and talked to a staff member. I received two responses, both with the same form letter. This would indicate that they don't police the responses very well and may be going by sheer numbers to some extent.

Bottom line, it doesn't take much time so continue to let them know you are passionate on your 2A rights.

[JohnKSa]

Here's a very easy way to contact your representatives.

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/

Click on "Take Action Now".

[Zardaia]

When you use one of these ruger/nra etc tools, does it show on the recipient end? Just wondering if some may give less credence to em if so.

[AirForceShooter]

Harry Reid may not even let it out of committee for a vote.

He's got a problem with 6 dem senators up for reelection in 2014 that are in republican states. If they don't get reelected the senate goes republican.

AFS

[bds]

Remember, last I checked, all the law makers STILL work for US. We can vote them out and replace them with ones who will represent the will of the people. What happened in New York may be our Pearl Harbor and the latest "proposal" from Feinstein is simply continued attack from the antis. As I see it, NRA is building a war chest for a major offensive and sustained battle to continue lobbying the law makers and federal court judge positions - http://www.nrastandandfight.com/absolutism-vs-principles.html

We will regroup in light of new attacks on our right to gun ownership and we may need to be dynamic and flexible to be successful with this new war. But like our forefathers and patriots, if we come together and pull our resources and stand together, we shall prevail! Imagine what will do to politician's voting as the Pro 2A marches continue to increase around the nation? I have seen this great country and people achieve great things. I have faith that righteous men and women will once again stand tall and fight a good fight.

Do not be confused by the noise. We are now at war with those who attacked our right to self defense and their objective is to take our guns away. Our clear objective is to defeat them and support the Constitution, which all law makers take an oath to protect when they are voted into office by us. If they don't, remove them from the office. Call/email/write and let them know ... it's one thing politicians fear ... being voted out of office.

[cpileri]

Only problem w the ruger site is that you cant edit the content. i had to squeeze it in in the "sincerely" line.
C-

[blarby]

done

[JFtheGR8]

GOA also has an email form fyi.


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[arizona_cards_11]

Oh no!!!! Does this mean they'll ban that shoulder thing that goes up? I mean, the barrel shroud.

[morcey2]

Oh no!!!! Does this mean they'll ban that shoulder thing that goes up? I mean, the barrel shroud.
As long as they don't ban the compass in the stock and the thing which tells time.

[pezo]

What's the bill number?

[JRH6856]

What would you recommend we write to a senator who is obviously anti-2A and has responded to our messages with the "I support 2A, but..." responses? I've gotten one from one of my senators, and another poster on here got a similar response from the other.


If your rep says, "I support the 2nd Amendment but...." tell them there are no buts on this issue except the one they have their head inserted in.

[Skribs]

Micro, that's what I'm thinking. Unfortunately, that tactic isn't going to bring them over to our side. Granted none probably will, but I want to present a good image.

[mcdonl]

I already did my first letter this week (Printed) but decided to do an extra email due to the special occasion...

I am writing you all again, to remind you that as a registered voter (Who
typically votes democrat) and a supporter of the constitution I will bring
all of my political resources to bear against ANYONE who votes to take
away my rights to own the firearms I currently own.

Add to this list any form of registration as it will not be tollerated and
the WILL be political consequences at the next election.

You know as well as I do, that the processes that are in place are all
that is needed to keep us safe. The problem is a lack of enforcement of
existing laws.

And my last point, I am very disapointed that all I have recieved from my
representatives that I voted to send to office are "stock" replies. It
shows you have forgoten about us in Maine.

I am a professional with a lot of experience and I have offered to help
numerous times and your offices will not get back to me. I was deferred to
the Maine Sportsman Alliance and the Maine Handgun Violence coalition. If
I thought the status quo was capable of handling this situation I would
not have bothered to offer you my help.

I dont actually vote democrat, BUT I think it is very important that they think I do as they will consider me a lost vote.

[Fastcast]

I'm thinking something like this, especially because I've gotten the anti responses from them.

Dear Senator,

I have received a message from your office stating that you would support further restrictions on weapons. Regardless of your use of the phrase "I support the Second Amendment, but...", I do not believe you support the Second Amendment, and by extension the entire Bill of Rights. As a law-abiding gun owner, I would consider it a form of undue prejudice to consider my rights (and the rights of millions like me) worth restricting for the sake of attempting to restrict a few madmen. Restrictions, I might add, that will not prevent madmen from commiting attrocities, due to the way criminals do not follow the law.

As such, I ask that you represent me by opposing gun control legislation, and supporting legislation that addresses the larger social issues that result in violence (economy, mental health, and overcrowded prisons). If you follow my request, I am willing to donate time and money to help your next election. If you vote in support of S. Feinstein's bill (or any other) to restrict my rights, I will donate time and money to helping your opponents replace your position in office.

Thank you for your time,


This an excellent response. There's a couple of misspelled words though you'll want to correct if you plan to use this as a guide. They are highlighted in red above. Here's the correct spelling (committing, atrocities). ;)

[Skribs]

Yeah I have problems with double letters (or where I think there should be a double letter). I figured I'd paste it into Word before I send it and let Word figure it out.

[BullfrogKen]

What's the bill number?

It won't have one until it's formally introduced.

[HoosierQ]

I wrote my guys. An NRA "A" Democrat, an NRA "A" Republican, and an NRA "D" Democrat. Told 'em I like 'em (which is by and large true) but won't vote for 'em again if they support a ban on "assualt weapons" which is just dumb. Pistol grip? Bayonet lug? Come on!!!

[xXxplosive]

Couldn't she succumb to Cardiac Arrest........before then ?

[Trent]

I'm going to WITHHOLD contacting my Senators until the bill is submitted, and I can read the bill.

THEN I'm going to contact them.

[Drail]

You know what the difference is between Feinstein and King George is? She hasn't yet figured out that if you push these people too far you will be tucking your tail between your legs and running home to mama.

[Skribs]

I'm doing before-and-after, Trent.

[BHP FAN]

better to fight now via e-mail, than to have to fight for real, later.

[HOWARD J]

I sent both of my senators an e-mail today.
This was my fourth note & my last.
I thanked them for making myself & all my relatives into Republicans.
I got the usual answer in about 5 minutes.
I am close to Detriot---solid Democrat

[Acelaw]

I remember reading something a while back where an author of a bill like this couldn't explain what one of the "military characteristics" meant. Did Feinstein say something like this? if so, anyone have a link?

[BHP FAN]

this is who my message went out to...look at all those ''D's'' you think any of them care what I say?

Your message for "Gun Owner: Call to Action" was sent on 01/23/2013 to the following recipients: President Barack Obama (D), Vice President Joseph Biden (D), Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Rep. Jared Huffman (D-CA), Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA), Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA), Sen. Noreen Evans (D-CA), Asm. Wesley Chesbro (D-CA), Atty. General Kamala Harris (D-CA)

[jeepnik]

She is my senator. She won't even respond to my emails anymore. I guess I go right to the spam file. So much for representing the voting public.

[Skribs]

Well Cantwell has you select what the topic is when emailing her. Instead of "gun violence" I chose "civil liberties".

Apparently the other response someone on THR got was from our rep, not a senator, so I will need a more neutral message to the other senator.

ETA: looked up her record...the other senator scores an F by the NRA. At least I was polite.

[hso]

Look at the thread in Activism pointing out the Senators running for office in 2014 as pressure points to push on this.

Also look at the thread in Activism that points out the Senate Judiciary Committee members. Those in green need reinforced. Those in red should be given a brief and polite reminder of the backlash to the passing of the '94 AWB and the cost to their party. For those that aren't solid Antis persuasion making positive suggestions on what would address the root cause of violence without creating the impression that there's a reasonable threat that requires radical restrictions like bans on firearms, magazines or ammunition. Use any personal story that is true about you or someone you know that use our rifles for hunting or competition or that have used any firearm to protect a life. Don't make anything up.

[joeschmoe]

DOA.

[mokin]

E mailing my congressmen has become a weekly event for me over the last couple of months....

[mec56]

this is who my message went out to...look at all those ''D's'' you think any of them care what I say?

Your message for "Gun Owner: Call to Action" was sent on 01/23/2013 to the following recipients: President Barack Obama (D), Vice President Joseph Biden (D), Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Rep. Jared Huffman (D-CA), Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA), Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA), Sen. Noreen Evans (D-CA), Asm. Wesley Chesbro (D-CA), Atty. General Kamala Harris (D-CA)
BHP, I know you feel. I was thinking the same thing as I was sending mine. We're just going to ride out the tough times till we can vote these bozos out

[hogshead]

Senator Feinstein is a staunch gun control advocate. Despite her stance, in the 1970s, she obtained a concealed firearms carry permit, and carried a handgun with her. A CCW permit was then rare in California, and was the only such permit in San Francisco. At the time, she was the target of a terrorist group that had shot out all the windows in her home. She no longer carries a gun What a hypocrite.Surely she must be near a hundred , maybe she will kick the bucket before long.

[snuzzo29]

Both my senators are antis but they still heard from me. Have also been having family members send letters, even the ones that aren't into firearms (not antis, just aren't into shooting).

[Johnny Dollar]

DOA.

Second that. No chance. Probably no Senate floor vote.Harry has already done the counting.

Surely she must be near a hundred , maybe she will kick the bucket before long.

Dianne is a surly 79! :D

[mbt2001]

Flood them. It is down to us...

[mbt2001]

@jeepnik

Hand write them and cc the press. She will read the then.

[Johnny Dollar]

Hand write them and cc the press. She will read them then.

Dianne reads only her own press releases! :rolleyes:

[hso]

Bolster Senator Reid's resolve to not let this move an inch.

Bolster Senator Lahey's concerns about a floor vote to not let it out of Committee.

Bolster the pro-2A senators on the Judiciary Committee and strengthen their conviction that the draconian proposals are a waste of time and will be costly.

Bolster the undecided senator's on the Judiciary Committee and strengthen their inclination to not support draconian proposals that waste real effort and finding solutions to violent crime in this country and point out the politically costly consequences to their party should it leave Committee.

[flyskater]

California residents, why is this worman ever reelected?

[mrvco]

California residents, why is this worman ever reelected?
Ever been to San Francisco?

[Justin]

Today is the day!

If you've held off on contacting your Senators so far, you no longer have an excuse.

If you work in an office, make the calls on your lunch break.

[Justin]

I'm going to WITHHOLD contacting my Senators until the bill is submitted, and I can read the bill.

THEN I'm going to contact them.

While I think it's always a good idea to read a bill, Feinstein has already made her intentions clear via her website.

• Massive list of banned guns.
• More than one "evil feature" makes it an illegal "assault weapon."
• Ban on the sale or transfer of any magazines that hold >10 rounds.
• Guns already in private hands must be registered per the NFA, no different than if they were a belt-fed machine gun.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

While the summary on her page isn't a copy of the actual bill, I doubt that her bill differs in any significant way.

So go pick up the phone.

[radiotom]

This is on Drudge now.

[Gordon_Freeman]

I wish so many guys would stop assuming that this won't go anywhere. That might influence others to not take action. I'll be contacting my Pro 2nd Amendment officials today.

[raddiver]

Looks like it will be showing today at 11am EST on cspan3

[aka108]

Hope it is not another "we have to pass it in order to find out what is in it" deal.

[radiotom]

Hope it is not another "we have to pass it in order to find out what is in it" deal.
I'm sure they'll stuff it full of goodies to get more votes.

[Jorg]

Look at the thread in Activism pointing out the Senators running for office in 2014 as pressure points to push on this.
It might be worthwhile to mention that despite Feinstein saying this is for Sandy Hook, she has been targetting law-abiding gun owners for decades and is capitalizing on this event to further her long-standing agenda. While she is at the end of her political career and is going for broke trying to establish her legacy, other senators may not wish to undermine their politcal careers so quickly by supporting this bill, particularly those who are looking forward to a close fight in 2014.

[22-rimfire]

You need to contact your representatives. Folks in New York are probably thinking..... what happened? You saw how quickly the debt stuff got handled after there was finally some support..... take a lesson. Congress normally moves very slowly, but on an emergency basis, it can move very quickly.

[JRH6856]

"All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm."

Looks like Glocks may be banned as they would all probably be considered semi-auto versions of the Glock 18.

[HKGuns]

I actually want them to vote so we have a record of their treason.

[JohnKSa]

"...or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm".

That could be very nasty.

The Beretta 92 series have an automatic counterpart, and, as noted, so do the Glock 9mm pistols.

[TheGloriousTachikoma]

CZ!!!!! :eek: