Started my new 590A1 tacticool build today. What else should I add?


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ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 01:46 AM
Here is my first tacticool shotgun build. I decided on building it on the 590A1.

So far I have added a Mesa Tactical side saddle and Elzetta light mount with a Surefire 6PX.
I am waiting on my Mesa Tactical Magpul MOE with buffer tube.

Is there anything else you can think of that would come in handy without making it look to tacky?

Also, I believe there was someone who wanted to buy my Speedfeed stock but I can't remember who they were.

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PabloJ
January 23, 2013, 02:03 AM
Two obvious possibilities are M7 bayonet and a barrel heat shield. I would just add the M7.

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 02:11 AM
I was thinking bayonet just for <deleted> and giggles. That's something I would rarely keep installed. Regarding the heat shield. In my opinion it looks tacky so that's a no go. It will also interfere with my light mount.

Sheepdog1968
January 23, 2013, 03:01 AM
A sling andyounare done. The more stuff you add, the more than can go wrong. Take the money you will be saving and go take a class or two with it.

Drail
January 23, 2013, 10:11 AM
A drink cup holder and a dock for your Ipod would be nice.

w9trb
January 23, 2013, 10:24 AM
The light will give away your position, take it off. Or get one that has a switch so that you can turn it on just before you fire. That's my opinion and I realize that it is worth what you paid for it. The Police training I had was old school stuff, we had revolvers and held our flashlights away, to one side of our body, to draw fire away from our center of mass. Never had to test the theory out against an armed opponent and glad of it.

Creature
January 23, 2013, 10:26 AM
I was thinking it needs a "zombie free zone" decal and a red dot...

gp911
January 23, 2013, 10:39 AM
Wear marks. Maybe some more tactical slippers...

Sweet gun btw!

CarolinaChuck
January 23, 2013, 10:48 AM
Ammo... Mongo want Ammo...

CC

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 11:17 AM
The light will give away your position, take it off. Or get one that has a switch so that you can turn it on just before you fire.

This light will go off when I fire. It can be activated without clicking the button. The only way it stays on is with constant thumb pressure or if I click it all of the way in.

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 11:19 AM
Maybe some more tactical slippers...

LOL...Now that's some funny stuff. Ugs slippers make the perfect tactical footwear.

XTrooper
January 23, 2013, 12:35 PM
A sling, proper sling attachments, and you're good to go.

oneounceload
January 23, 2013, 01:37 PM
Don't forget the breacher choke so you can break into your kid's room to turn down the music.

No sling - all it does is get snagged on something at the worst possible moment. That light and extended mag will add a lot of weight near the muzzle, making swinging the gun harder to do - make sure you practice with it fully loaded to learn how to compensate for the greater MOI.

Otherwise, as mentioned, add wear marks

FourTeeFive
January 23, 2013, 01:42 PM
SpecOps stock:

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-Gen-II-Adjustable-Shotgun-Stock,1808,165.htm

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 02:48 PM
SpecOps stock:


No offense but that stock is a POS. I didn't want a stock that used springs as a recoil dampener. Springs in the stock cause a ton of muzzle whip. I went with this stock since it uses a hydraulic recoil buffer tube.

http://www.mountsplus.com/AR-15_Accessories/AR-15_Scope_Rings/SP-004-MOS-LEO.html

oletymer
January 23, 2013, 03:16 PM
Strip all the added stuff off it and practice, practice, practice. If you empty the magazine and still have not got the situation under control you did not practice enough. Also I agree that that light will get you killed.

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 03:55 PM
Why would a light get you killed? If I leave my bedroom with my pistol, I have a light in my opposite hand. We train to clear dark rooms with flashlights but you should never move the flashlight into the constant on position. You want the light to go off as soon as you move your thumb which is in an instant. Blinding an assailant is also minimizing the chance of him seeing what he's actually shooting at. When clearing a house or a room with a shotgun, you don't have an extra hand to hold a flashlight and you never know when one might come in handy. Just because it's there, doesn't mean you need to always use it.

Also, why does everyone here always assume others never train or practice with there firearms. It's required that I heavily train with multiple weapon systems. I don't think it's smart to use a certain firearm for self defense unless you know exactly how it works and how to clear any malfunction that may arise.

I would hope I could mitigate any home defense situation with the 8 rounds held in the mag tube. However, this shotgun isn't just being built for home defense purposes. I am also building it for situations that may occur outside of the home and the shell holder will be used for holding different loads I may need. I'd rather not hold the extra shells in my pocket.

FourTeeFive
January 23, 2013, 05:05 PM
Quote:
SpecOps stock:

No offense but that stock is a POS. I didn't want a stock that used springs as a recoil dampener. Springs in the stock cause a ton of muzzle whip.

No offense taken, but I like mine. I bought it years ago when it was Knoxx and it is a nice setup. I'm certainly no shotgun expert but it does significantly reduce recoil.

Looking around on the web it seems to get a lot of good reviews. Hadn't heard any comments about "muzzle whip" before.

oneounceload
January 23, 2013, 05:12 PM
Also, why does everyone here always assume others never train or practice with there firearms

Because a lot of "zombie slayers" only want a "cool looking" gun that resembles something they saw in a video game -they don't want to get it dirty....... and there seems to be a relation between the number of gadgets and the chance of someone using it... ;)

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 05:40 PM
Because a lot of "zombie slayers" only want a "cool looking" gun that resembles something they saw in a video game -they don't want to get it dirty....... and there seems to be a relation between the number of gadgets and the chance of someone using it...

I can understand that. Some people just like gadgets. I'm don't believe in adding anything to your firearms unless you know how to properly utilize it. Most people don't understand how to use a weapon light and have no business using one because you're right. If you don't know how to use it, it has a better chance in hurting you than helping you.

mike_charlie
January 23, 2013, 06:09 PM
What else should I add?

If this is intended to be used for defense instead of just looking cool, you should be asking "What else can I take away?"

ApacheCoTodd
January 23, 2013, 06:14 PM
For mine - I'm diggin' the Hogue stock for the great rubber butt and the exaggerated pistol grip.

I also enjoy the feel and action of the Sure-Fire railed slid replacement more than I thought I would.

A good GI sling - priceless.

The heat shield for me does little more than round out the old school trench gun fittings and I may well remove it yet.

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 06:22 PM
If this is intended to be used for defense instead of just looking cool, you should be asking "What else can I take away?"


Why would I take away a flashlight and or the slug saddle? My department stocks shotguns with lights on them and that's what we train with when clearing dark rooms. Contrary to popular belief, you actually do have to aim a shotgun and you have to see what you are aiming at.;)

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 06:29 PM
@ApacheCoTodd.....Looking good man. I like the Hogue stocks as well. Our unit uses them on our shotguns in 12" and 13".


Also, when it comes to your light, I'm not familiar with that model but make sure you use one that is capable of activating with constant pressure. You don't want to turn the light on to the point where it's constantly on. The lights we use actually won't stay on unless we rotate the end cap. Some say this is tactically correct since it's possible to over compress the tail cap button in the heat of the moment.

ApacheCoTodd
January 23, 2013, 07:20 PM
That Sure-Fire has temporary pressure on/click on/screw permanent on options. Nice switch and a flashlight I never lose since its "key-ring" is a shotgun.

XTrooper
January 23, 2013, 07:45 PM
No sling - all it does is get snagged on something at the worst possible moment.

If the sling you were using was snagging on things, you were using the wrong one or the right one wrongly.

ObsceneJesster
January 23, 2013, 08:12 PM
If the sling you were using was snagging on things, you were using the wrong one or the right one wrongly.

I wasn't going to reply to the original comment but I was having trouble understanding it. I guess I don't understand it as I have been using a sling on my AR's for years now and I've never had them snag on anything. I guess it's possible if you go running through the woods with the sling hanging down to the ground but other than that, I don't see it. We train with slings all of the time and I've never seen someone get it hung up on something. Some people just hear one person say it and then take it to the bank.

clang
January 23, 2013, 11:25 PM
I recommend NO sling - why would you need one on a self defense gun in your house? No long marches, so no need to sling it over your shoulder.

It's a shotgun, so no need to steady your aim, since you point the thing. Besides, it's a pump gun, how are you going to use a sling to steady your aim in the first place and ever hope to be able to pump the action for a second shot?

Homes have things like doorknobs and banisters that can catch a sling. This can ruin your encounter with your unwelcome guest.

mike_charlie
January 24, 2013, 08:49 AM
Why would I take away a flashlight and or the slug saddle? My department stocks shotguns with lights on them and that's what we train with when clearing dark rooms. Contrary to popular belief, you actually do have to aim a shotgun and you have to see what you are aiming at.

Then perhaps the flashlight and side saddle aren't things that should be taken away. My point was just that the question of "what else can I add" is misleading, as adding things arbitrarily will not make a defensive shotgun better. Removing unnecessary things, however, will make it lighter, faster, and less clumsy.

Of course something that one deems necessary shouldn't be removed. But if you're going to bet your life on the function of a shotgun, "what other stuff can I stick on it" is not an appropriate question.

ApacheCoTodd
January 24, 2013, 09:14 AM
I didn't really read the OP as wanting more for the sake of more or cool but rather as an issue of "Am I missing anything anyone thinks is useful?"

Totally not worthy of arguing over personal preferences but rather forwarding options.

Here're some of my perspectives on my own choices:

Bayonet lug - it's fun to joke about mounting a bayonet but I really like the lug asmy favorite option for a front sling swivel.

Sling - I carry this often in the mountains for various reasons and there isn't a more QD sling out there should I think this one's in the way. Additionally, this 'berg has been to hand in polite company which didn't stat out so polite twice so far and being able to toss it upside down over my shoulder left it present in case but not nearly as threatening as being "brandished".

The flashlight allows one to be more assured of illumination being to the front rather than behind when needed. There's so often enough ambient illumination about that I seldom turn it on but to check it periodically.

When I had a side-saddle on a shotgun it was more for alternative loads than for re-loads. One of the more common in there being "loc-busters".

Hogue butt stock - I was not filled with a lot of confidence in the integrity of the original and after two other options, I popped for this one for the solidness and the oversized and grippy pistol grip as well as the squishy non-slip butt pad.

Anyhoo. There are some personal points of view presented in a "what and why I like..." way which should in no way lead to arguing about right and wrong but rather perspectives and experience.

ObsceneJesster
January 24, 2013, 11:28 AM
@ApecheCoTodd......I agree with most everything you say and you are correct in saying that I was just asking others what else may come in handy or what they like on their shotgun. If you like your shotgun with nothing added then that's perfectly okay. There is no right way to set up a tactical shotgun. I've seen a thousand different setups and I'm sure they all feel good to the person using them. It's all good though. I wouldn't expect the everyday gun enthusiast knows how to use a weapon mounted flashlight during a tactical situation.


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ApacheCoTodd
January 24, 2013, 11:46 AM
It's interesting to observe the levels upon which some folk choose to communicate on the internet. Almost as if in any case of more than one point of view - some one HAS to be wrong.

In the case of these styles of firearms, I'm in fact in conflict with myself from time to time. Although I'm very happy with my Mossy, occasionally I grab this righteous-riot instead. Nary a bell or whistle to be found!

As to the "reporting" - I've got three of those things and in each case they seemed rather silly and insulting to the rest of the body present in that they were deemed in need of protection from my post or wording. Se la vie... It's not my sand box so I' gots to follow the rules... or their interpretation.

foghornl
January 24, 2013, 12:48 PM
Needs 'work polishing' or perhaps 'character marks'.


(Read as: Take that Thang out & shoot it .....A LOT!)

ObsceneJesster
January 24, 2013, 01:12 PM
It will get its fair share of work. I've only had it for 3 weeks now and took it out for the first time yesterday. This is also going to be my main nighttime hog hunter.

oneounceload
January 24, 2013, 02:09 PM
Homes have things like doorknobs and banisters that can catch a sling. This can ruin your encounter with your unwelcome guest.

This was my point about not having a sling- KISS keeps Mr. Murphy at bay the longest...;)

natman
January 24, 2013, 02:39 PM
There's nothing more that needs to be added.

The light is a good idea. The concept of "giving away your position" doesn't apply to home defense, you HAVE to identify your target. It's not combat or a video game where you can blast away at a shape in the dark. Besides, if you do find yourself in a position where it would be a disadvantage to turn on the light, just don't turn it on.

The only thing I'd consider taking off would be the side saddle. Sure, extra ammo is nice to have, but shotgun shells are heavy and you already have 9 plus 4 in the stock.

BTW, forget the tactical stock. Putting a pistol grip stock on a Mossberg interferes with operation of the safety and slide release. Being able to go from SAFE to FIRE easily is far more important than whatever advantage the tactical stock may bring.

I can see a front rifle sight, what are you using for a rear?

ObsceneJesster
January 24, 2013, 04:21 PM
There's nothing more that needs to be added.

The light is a good idea. The concept of "giving away your position" doesn't apply to home defense, you HAVE to identify your target. It's not combat or a video game where you can blast away at a shape in the dark. Besides, if you do find yourself in a position where it would be a disadvantage to turn on the light, just don't turn it on.

The only thing I'd consider taking off would be the side saddle. Sure, extra ammo is nice to have, but shotgun shells are heavy and you already have 9 plus 4 in the stock.

BTW, forget the tactical stock. Putting a pistol grip stock on a Mossberg interferes with operation of the safety and slide release. Being able to go from SAFE to FIRE easily is far more important than whatever advantage the tactical stock may bring.

I can see a front rifle sight, what are you using for a rear?


Regarding the light, you are exactly right. I like to see what I'm aiming at. If I'm in a situation where I don't want my position given away, exactly like you said. Don't turn it on.

I need the saddle for slugs. The stock is coming off so I won't have the storage there. When this is sitting under my bed, the saddle is not filled and by itself, it weighs a couple ounces. I can't really feel a difference in weight with or without it.

The safety issue is addressed. Calvary Arms makes a oversized safety which has a bump out on both sides. It makes it much easier to manipulate when using a pistol grip with a tang style safety. If you don't have super small hands, it can be activated while still holding onto the pistol grip. Don't get me wrong, it would be much easier with a push safety but with a little practice, the CA Safety is pretty easy to use. One of the main reasons why I want a Pistol Grip on my stock is because that's what I've always trained with. It just feels more comfortable to me. I went with the Mesa because that's what our unit uses and I know its a quality stock. I also know how much recoil the hydraulic buffer sucks up.

There is a Ghost Ring in the rear. Again, that's what I train with and I am most efficient with this type sight.

tiamat
January 25, 2013, 04:36 PM
I've been interested in the Mesa LEO recoil reducing stock for my 870 for a while now, but I've not been able to find a decent video showing how much it reduces recoil.

If you get a chance, how about a youtube vid of your next outing with it?

LeonCarr
January 25, 2013, 04:39 PM
It looks fine just like it is.

Don't try to turn it into an AR, it is a shotgun. They are different things :).

Buy ammo and training and shoot it until it becomes a part of you.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Coop45
January 25, 2013, 04:55 PM
Paint them pink so they won't scare the anti's.

ObsceneJesster
January 25, 2013, 08:29 PM
@Leon...Im required by my job to train with multiple weapons systems multiple times a month. I also heavily train on my own time when not getting paid to do it. The reason I'm adding a pistol grip "AR Type" stock is because that's what our unit trains with and that's what I've been using for nearly 10 years now. I feel much much more comfortable with one. My target acquisition is noticeably quicker when using a Shotgun with a pistol grip stock. I just have more control with one.

Isaac-1
January 25, 2013, 10:55 PM
One thing that has not been mentioned, or I may have missed it, how about a high visibilty front sight post (fiber optic, etc.). Also I would prefer a slide mounted light like the Surefire 618 on my 870

ObsceneJesster
January 25, 2013, 11:23 PM
One thing that has not been mentioned, or I may have missed it, how about a high visibilty front sight post (fiber optic, etc.). Also I would prefer a slide mounted light like the Surefire 618 on my 870

A front Fiber is a good idea. I'll look into it. The light mount is just something I am used to. I don't know if you read my previous post or not but I like my light as close to the barrel as possible. If you have the right lens on your light then it can act as a accurate shot guide up to 15-20 feet. Basically, my beam measures 5-7 inches circumference on a target between 10-15 feet. I know that my shot pattern will cover the area in which the beam is illuminating since the flashlight is on the same plane as the barrel. Also, I know everyone has a different opinion on tactical operations/situations but I was always taught to never keep your light on after your first shot. If you must illuminate your target then you want to do so with a quick burst and should never keep your light on when engaged in a fire fight. There is really no need for me to keep the light on when racking and if for some reason I need the light back on, my thumb is always within 1 inch of the tail cap button each and every time I chamber another shell. If your wondering why I was always told to never keep the light on after your initial shot is because if you miss and the target has time to shoot back, they will aim at the light. If they aim at the light then there's a good chance you're getting hit. The lights mounted on our units 870's won't even stay on unless you rotate the tail cap. The tail cap button will only provide momentary on which means as soon as you move your thumb, it's turning off. They really do not want us keeping the light on after our initial shot.

Like I said, everyone has a different opinion and everyone is comfortable with different techniques.

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