2 Long guns pulled from Lanza's trunk (video proof)


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I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 11:56 AM
At 2:29 you can see two CSI techs pull out two long arms from Adam Lanza's mother's car and walk away carrying them in their right hand, those were the Saiga shotgun and the AR-15. The AR-15 was never used, Adam Lanza used handguns. The media and the government is lying to you to push an agenda, that's why we'll never see crime scene photos or surveillance video footage of Lanza entering the school.

We need to spread this far and wide and blow the lid off this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ubdjO_dRY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Don't start with the troofer conspiracy theorist BS with me until you watch the video, quit being a naive sheeple and taking everything the media and .gov tells you as the truth. WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO and then tell me that 2 long guns aren't pulled out.

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I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 12:20 PM
guess no one cares about losing constitutional rights over lies.

gossamer
January 23, 2013, 12:24 PM
Does the video prove he didn't take a different long gun into the school?

I could leave three of my long guns in my car and still have enough to hold up a tent with.

The video doesn't prove the claim that "Adam Lanza used an AR15 variant" is a lie. It only proves he had long guns in his car. Period.

Also, no one has lost any rights.

Respectfully suggest: Less conspiracy, more advocacy.

tyler500e
January 23, 2013, 12:25 PM
I've been saying this for a few weeks. The narrative the media has given us doesn't seem to be correct and it stinks.

jamesbeat
January 23, 2013, 12:26 PM
I certainly do care, but do you think any of the gun grabbers will?

They feel that every gun ban saves lives, so even though he may not have used a semiauto rifle, they should still be banned because they don't like the way they look.

boatmanschneider
January 23, 2013, 12:31 PM
'What difference, at this point, does it make?'

j.kramer
January 23, 2013, 12:34 PM
Does the video prove he didn't take a different long gun into the school?

I could leave three of my long guns in my car and still have enough to hold up a tent with.

The video doesn't prove the claim that "Adam Lanza used an AR15 variant" is a lie. It only proves he had long guns in his car. Period.

Also, no one has lost any rights.

Respectfully suggest: Less conspiracy, more advocacy.

then were did he get the second ar15?

if you dont want conspiracy then you must provide facts

police said the mother owned one ar15 and they said one was found not two

we see the one on the video so from where did the second one you claim come from?

Ryanxia
January 23, 2013, 12:42 PM
I haven't been really paying attention to the details of the shooting (just working to protect my Rights) but if he didn't use an AR I would like to know just for when people say the comment 'if there were no Assault weapons 20 precious chillens would be alive!'

MachIVshooter
January 23, 2013, 12:42 PM
There's a lot wrong with the story, enough to make a thinking person wonder if it's even for real (seriously, check out some of the photos and videos of "victims" families and the like).

No matter. The agenda is set, and even if it does prove to be a conspiracy or hoax, they're still gonna push their agenda. They have the victims of 3 other tragedies this year whose graves they can stand on.

AethelstanAegen
January 23, 2013, 12:43 PM
enough to make a thinking person wonder if it's even for real (seriously, check out some of the photos and videos of "victims" families and the like).

Seriously, dude? Let's not belittle the tragedy that occurred by calling it all one big hoax. We should recognize it as the horrific event it was, but one caused by an unstable individual and not the guns he stole from his Mom. But please, let's not try to build a defense on it's all a conspiracy, because the idea that it was all faked just doesn't pan out.

if you dont want conspiracy then you must provide facts

Well frankly, the onerous is on the conspiracy theorists to prove facts, not the other way around. All I can see from that very grainy footage is that long guns were removed from the trunk of the car. I didn't see anything which indicated to me that one was necessarily an AR-15. If you want to stop potential AWBs, I don't think yelling it's all a conspiracy, he didn't even use that gun in this one shooting will help. I think you need to stress that there are millions and millions of AR-15s in civilian hands that aren't used to shoot up a school. I don't think we're going to prove anything to anyone with that footage and it just makes all gun owners look like tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts...which does not help our case at all.

BCCL
January 23, 2013, 12:47 PM
First time I've seen that video, gotta admit it does look like 2 different guns were removed from that trunk.

Halal Pork
January 23, 2013, 12:47 PM
Does the video prove he didn't take a different long gun into the school?

I could leave three of my long guns in my car and still have enough to hold up a tent with.

The video doesn't prove the claim that "Adam Lanza used an AR15 variant" is a lie. It only proves he had long guns in his car. Period.

Also, no one has lost any rights.

Respectfully suggest: Less conspiracy, more advocacy.
I don't know what it proves. But I am curious to see what comes to light. Please consider the official report which states:



In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.

Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

#2. Glock 10 mm handgun

#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:

#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

Link (http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226)

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 12:49 PM
the media and the coroner reported that the AR-15 was used to shoot everybody in the school but Lanza used a handgun to commit suicide and that the Saiga 12 was the only weapon found in the car. If two long guns were left in the car then it would appear they would have to be the bushmaster and shotgun otherwise they conveniently left out a 5th gun.

It sucks there wasn't better lighting to show this better but it's obvious to me that the first gun pulled was the AR then the Saiga gets pulled and you can see the barrel as the guy turns around and holds it to his side.

http://i46.tinypic.com/23m0t91.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/r0qmxf.jpg

MachIVshooter
January 23, 2013, 12:53 PM
Seriously, dude? Let's not belittle the tragedy that occurred by calling it all one big hoax.

I didn't say it was a hoax. I said there's a lot that doesn't add up, and "they" aren't answering the questions they need to be.

Look up "Robbie Parker interview" on Youtube, and then follow some of the other vids in the column on the right. You'll start to wonder. Like how is it that the little Parker girl "Emilie", who was supposedly killed in the tragedy, is in a photo with president Barry a couple days later? Why was there an "RIP Victoria Soto" FB page started Dec. 10, four days before she was allegedly killed (it has been taken down, but the cached page still exists). Why can't the absolute kook of an ME not answer the simple question "how many boys and how many girls"?

Like I said, there's a lot wrong with the whole thing. I'm not ready to call it a lie yet, but I'm not sold on anything MSM is trying to feed us, either.

Navy_Guns
January 23, 2013, 12:54 PM
12:56 - posts conspiracy thread

1:01 - edits own post about conspiracy thread

1:20 - whines that nobody has taken the troll bait.

Dude, quit sucking up our bandwidth with your silly garbage. Go harass the History Channel, apparently they think Aliens were responsible for everything from the Lascaux Cave Paintings to the Housing Bubble. Tons of screen captures for you to post of big, googly-eyed alien sketches!

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 12:57 PM
MachIVshooter, I think that can be chalked up to sisters that look alike and shared the same clothes. Supposedly Robbie Parker has a Emilie Parker fund set up the day of the shooting on facebook as well.

There is much better evidence than that to build a case on though. The dispatch recording points to more than one suspect as well as the footage of the men running through the woods. Also there was a gentlemen interviewed that said there was a guy in camo pants and a black t-shirt was arrested, he says he's sitting in that police car right over there.... You'd think the cameraman would pan over to film the guy but they don't.

Swing
January 23, 2013, 12:57 PM
Tons of screen captures for you to post of big, googly-eyed alien sketches!

LOL!

HoosierQ
January 23, 2013, 12:58 PM
the media and the coroner reported that the AR-15 was used to shoot everybody in the school but Lanza used a handgun to commit suicide and that the Saiga 12 was the only weapon found in the car. If two long guns were left in the car then it would appear they would have to be the bushmaster and shotgun otherwise they conveniently left out a 5th gun.

It sucks there wasn't better lighting to show this better but it's obvious to me that the first gun pulled was the AR then the Saiga gets pulled and you can see the barrel as the guy turns around and holds it to his side.

http://i46.tinypic.com/23m0t91.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/r0qmxf.jpg
I don't think you can tell what you've got there. The only thing that's clear is red arrows and I don't think those are on the film.

This knoll is getting a little grassy.

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 12:58 PM
I edited my post to say not to accuse me of conspiracy BS before you watch the video. Clearly the media would never lie and Fast & Furious never happened right?

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 01:00 PM
HoosierQ, did you watch the video?

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 01:11 PM
not trying to troll anyone, I'm a die hard 2A advocate and member of the NRA and 2A Foundation. Just have a very strong suspicion that Lanza went in there dual wielding pistols like a video game fantasy and the media reported the facts wrong and then saw it as their opportunity to go with it and use the lie as a means to spark the gun control debate. We will NEVER see crime scene photos, surveillance video footage of Lanza entering the school and that school will get demo'ed so all evidence is lost.

I simply want the truth to come out so we're not losing constitutional rights based on lies.

nwilliams
January 23, 2013, 01:16 PM
Conspiracy theories aside, I do think it's justifiable to ask questions and look for inconsistencies when it comes to what the media and government tells us. If no AR was used in the shooting then I think we have a right to know and the media and anti-gun crowd have no right to use a false fact against us.

JRH6856
January 23, 2013, 01:20 PM
From the detail and clarity of the video, all I can determine is that the guys in the white coveralls pulled two long items from the shadows. Impossible to tell from the posted video what the long items are. But then, I know the guy who looked at a damaged, unfixed, and fading polaroid and found a guy in a DPD uniform behind a fence on a grassy knoll. Some people can find anything in a photo.

shotgunjoel
January 23, 2013, 01:23 PM
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 01:26 PM
Microtecniqs, thank you for watching.... don't know what other long item they would have pulled out if it wasn't the other gun. The first gun pulled out looks to have a barrel to skinny to be the shotgun but I agree, the lighting sucks and it's hard to tell but it looks like 2 long guns were pulled out in my opinion.

Cosmoline
January 23, 2013, 01:31 PM
The conspiracy nuts are crawling all over this, and doing the cause NO good at all. The business about people being fake parents or whatnot is particularly outrageous and makes us sound like FEMA death camp nutters.

tarosean
January 23, 2013, 01:32 PM
^ she owned 5 guns
2 pistols, the AR, Shotgun and a 22.

Cannot tell anything from the vid IMO.

jamesbeat
January 23, 2013, 01:34 PM
I do agree that it is important to get facts straight in situations like this, especially as it appears that we are going to lose some of our Second Amendment rights over a detail of this case.
However, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and we're not going to do ourselves any favors by putting too much of a conspiracy theory angle on it.
If it turns out in the official reports that there was no semiauto rifle actually used, then the antis should be called on it, but I doubt it will change much.

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 01:45 PM
I'm pretty sure the media reported that the .22lr was left at home. Sandy Hook happened, those kids are dead, Robbie Parker is just a weird individual. All of that garbage about the shooting being entirely faked is ridiculous. However, I do think the question about what guns were actually used is a valid one as well as questions about what was said on the police dispatch about 2 shadows running past some windows and the video footage of guys being chased through the woods. I don't know about you but if I'm not the actual shooter, I'm not running through the woods to get away from the cops.

Here's the link to the dispatch audio for anyone who hasn't heard it. You can hear the cops talking about individuals running and apprehending them. Right around the 5:40 mark they say they have an individual proned out. That is supposedly the same guy the one eyewitness said he saw cuffed that was wearing camo pants and a black shirt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9klblvRFzaI

Claude Clay
January 23, 2013, 01:47 PM
coincidence or ?? that FEMA was staging a Children in Distress 10 miles away and had many vehicles in the Sandy Hook School parking lot 15 minutes before the shooting started? google FEMA L 366.

i am 40 miles away with friends ( shooting buddies) who live in and around the school. all of us independently came to think that things are not adding up. but as has been said here...its not truth which drives those in power now and even if it was a staged event that got out of hand and than played up to the press. it may be 40 years before the truth leaks out--if ever unless American's become free again.

i say 40 years cause like the Kennedy assassination pieces of what was known to have happened are now becoming public.

Manco
January 23, 2013, 01:47 PM
First time I've seen that video, gotta admit it does look like 2 different guns were removed from that trunk.

Admittedly, it does cause some suspicion. The first lengthy object removed appears to be a long gun, but it could be either a Saiga-12 or AR-15 (or any other type of rifle/shotgun, for that matter). The second object could be another long gun, or it could be something else entirely. That's all I can make out, I'm afraid. Now, if there were a feature that we could positively identify, such as the characteristic front sight of an AR-15 on the first object, for example, then we'd have something. Unfortunately, the video is just too unclear for us to be certain about anything, really.

gossamer
January 23, 2013, 01:52 PM
then were did he get the second ar15?

if you dont want conspiracy then you must provide facts

police said the mother owned one ar15 and they said one was found not two

we see the one on the video so from where did the second one you claim come from?
I'm going to write this again. The presence of an AR in his car does NOT evidence the claim that "he used an AR in the school." to be a lie. Under ANY circumstances. PERIOD.

It MAY evidence that the claim "His mother had one AR." is incorrect.

You do understand the difference, right?

And honestly, if anyone really thinks that iron-clad proof that an AR wasn't used in Sandhook is going to change the gun grabber agenda one tiny little bit, or that it's going to provide an ounce more credibility to our cause, then I'm not sure they possess the perspective required to argue this threat effectively.

Again: less conspiracy, more advocacy.

I_AM_LEGEND
January 23, 2013, 02:00 PM
Gossamer I know what you're saying, I agree with you but the media and police have both reported only the shotgun was in the trunk so if there was 2 long guns in there, I think the answer is more likely that it was the only AR rather than a second one.

Like you said, either way the gun grabbers are moving forward full steam ahead.

However, if it's exposed that the AR-15 wasn't used and that gets spread on social media, well, that's going to benefit us greatly with those on the fence. This battle is going to be won with social media. There's a reason Obama punted on the executive orders. Which by the way, if you're not on social media, you need to be. Post pics of your wife / mother / girlfriend shooting assault rifles and confront the anti-gunners with the facts we know, that gun control doesn't work. Every lil starbucks drinking, scarf wearing liberal has facebook and twitter and pushes the democrat propaganda, we need ever gun owner countering that to educate the sheeple.

Manco
January 23, 2013, 02:06 PM
I do agree that it is important to get facts straight in situations like this, especially as it appears that we are going to lose some of our Second Amendment rights over a detail of this case.
However, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and we're not going to do ourselves any favors by putting too much of a conspiracy theory angle on it.

Well, if we had clear evidence in the video, then it must be a conspiracy at some level. But we don't have that--not even close, so it definitely doesn't help to promote such an unlikely theory.

If it turns out in the official reports that there was no semiauto rifle actually used, then the antis should be called on it, but I doubt it will change much.

Actually, I think it would change a lot because the focus of their Sandy Hook/Aurora-based attack on our rights is on so-called "assault rifles" and all the easy lies that go with that. Going after handguns directly (beyond limiting magazine capacity) is not something they're prepared to do at this point, and their argument against "assault rifles" would be weakened. Unfortunately, I doubt that they had any reason to lie about the type of weapon used, and the many other open lies they tell about "assault rifles" haven't hurt their cause.

sansone
January 23, 2013, 02:08 PM
12:56 - posts conspiracy thread

1:01 - edits own post about conspiracy thread

1:20 - whines that nobody has taken the troll bait.

Dude, quit sucking up our bandwidth with your silly garbage. Go harass the History Channel, apparently they think Aliens were responsible for everything from the Lascaux Cave Paintings to the Housing Bubble. Tons of screen captures for you to post of big, googly-eyed alien sketches!
this is personal attack and unjustifiable

Gaiudo
January 23, 2013, 02:12 PM
Indeed. Let's keep it HR. Post reported.

IMO it's a legitimate topic of conversation. Personal attacks aren't allowed.

Robert
January 23, 2013, 02:15 PM
Well that didn't take long. We are done here.

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