Intuit drops my company because we sell gun stuff


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Zak Smith
January 23, 2013, 09:21 PM
I am one of the owners of a silencer manufacturing company. We have used Intuit for the last 5 years as our credit card processing service/vendor ("merchant account").

At about 4:30 PM today I got a call that they were cancelling our merchant account (effective today) because their new policy prohibits all gun stuff.

We are not happy to put it mildly.

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BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 09:23 PM
Holy crap!

That angers me greatly.

The_Next_Generation
January 23, 2013, 09:26 PM
Wow. What do they care what your business is? You'd think as long as they're getting their cut that they'd be happy :fire::cuss:

Jim Watson
January 23, 2013, 09:27 PM
See also the case reported here of Geico cancelling car insurance on a vehicle "in the weapons industry."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=698035&highlight=Geico

ID-shooting
January 23, 2013, 09:29 PM
What could be motivating financial institutions to be giving up money? Was there some EO making their interest rates or taxes too outrageous to be profitable?

larryh1108
January 23, 2013, 09:30 PM
Anyone who uses Intuit (and there are a lot!) should call them up and cancel THEM for their stance. Anyone one these boards and anyone who is pro-2A. There has to be a lot of decision makers here and elsewhere that can show them we don't need them as much as they need us.

browneu
January 23, 2013, 09:32 PM
This is getting ridiculous.

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Zak Smith
January 23, 2013, 09:34 PM
I can't speak for anyone else but I certainly will not give Intuit any business, nor recommend them to anyone, for anything, ever again.

As our merchant processor, they were making bank on their cut of every credit card transaction we did, which was the vast majority of our revenue.

I'd prefer we just go back to checks.

soloban
January 23, 2013, 09:35 PM
I've heard that Wilson Combat requires wire transfers for their AR's.

Deltaboy
January 23, 2013, 09:38 PM
Sorry to this Zac.:fire::banghead::mad:

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 23, 2013, 09:39 PM
Was there some EO making their interest rates or taxes too outrageous to be profitable?
What in the world are you on about? That question doesn't even make a bit of sense.

Zak, on the upside, there are tons of payment processors and I'm sure you can find one that works for you.

e5i5o
January 23, 2013, 09:41 PM
ironic?
before i signed on i read this post with the advertisement to let right of your original post. guess what, the advertisement window was for intuit investment!

also, i am reading more and more about company removing themselves from gun related businesses. not good.

last, getting ready for tax season and i looked at my turbo tax. its made by intuit!

i WILL show my support for the 2nd amendment and be looking for different software to do my taxes.

good luck and best wishes.

take care
e5i5o

Zak Smith
January 23, 2013, 09:42 PM
I pay an local accountant. He does a better job and likes guns.

gossamer
January 23, 2013, 09:43 PM
What could be motivating financial institutions to be giving up money? Was there some EO making their interest rates or taxes too outrageous to be profitable?
I hate to say this, but it's liability and PR. When company's start leaving money on the table it's because the opportunity cost of continuing to take that money is too great.

They also see themselves getting clawed into any and all lawsuits over money they touch. If someone uses them to process a credit card for buying something they use in a shooting, they can be a named party in a suit.

Then there's the PR.

Check out Squareup.com. I use them. Much better and less expensive than intuit. I'm happy to say this year I am 100% Intuit-free

larryh1108
January 23, 2013, 09:44 PM
Would they drop a Cabela's, Dicks, Walmart, Sportsman's Guide, etc for the same thing? Maybe they had issues with what you make (silencers) rather then just being "gun stuff"?
It sounds like they need a taste of their own medicine.

Certaindeaf
January 23, 2013, 09:49 PM
It very well could be because a very large and monied voting block.. the unions. Remember how Bushmaster was dropped by the California teachers retirement fund as an investment vehicle?

BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 09:52 PM
. , ,


TurboTax by Intuit


They can go to hell.


Did you have something in your agreement where they can cancel your account for legitimate business activity they just don't approve of?

AK47TIM
January 23, 2013, 09:59 PM
Not using Turbo Tax ever again.

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BullfrogKen
January 23, 2013, 10:05 PM
I've been using it for over a decade. Never again.


Calling them tomorrow to tell them why.

tfosterjr
January 23, 2013, 10:06 PM
Their right to choose who they will do business with.
My right to chose who I will do business with.
Just decided that I won't do business with Intuit.
Thanks for the heads up.

taliv
January 23, 2013, 10:07 PM
zumbo time?

Zak Smith
January 23, 2013, 10:11 PM
Maybe they had issues with what you make (silencers) rather then just being "gun stuff"?
I won't speculate on any motivation behind it, all I know is what they told me, which is that they were not going to be a merchant for any company that sells "gun stuff" anymore (that's paraphrased). The guy in the risk department who talked to me didn't even know what we make, or didn't say he did.

Did you have something in your agreement where they can cancel your account for legitimate business activity they just don't approve of?
They can change their terms at any time, just like we are free to stop using them at any time.

They also see themselves getting clawed into any and all lawsuits over money they touch. If someone uses the to process a credit card for buying something they use in a shooting, they can be a named party in a suit
Anyone can be named in a suit for anything, and anyone can be sued for anything. But if that were the real reason we'd see them backing away from a lot more everyday items.

sidheshooter
January 23, 2013, 10:13 PM
This is outrageous.


Sorry to hear of it.

Plan2Live
January 23, 2013, 10:24 PM
I had a website through Intuit for a side business I shut down. I had been with them for 3 years. Back in September when I set up my CWP website I called them to make sure they wouldn't shut me down at some future point once they figured out my site was related to firearms. They assured me, in writing, that they were okay with my site as long as I wasn't selling any guns. Something about their response lacked sincerity, call it a gut feeling, so I went with 1and1 instead. Looks like I made a good call.

gossamer
January 23, 2013, 10:26 PM
Anyone can be named in a suit for anything, and anyone can be sued for anything. But if that were the real reason we'd see them backing away from a lot more everyday items.

One of my clients is one of the 3 biggest payment processors in their country. For Intuit, in point if fact, Liability is very well one of the reasons you may have been dropped. And no, not until those other "everyday items" are under threat of governmental overreach will they be dropped.

I know of bars who've been threatened to be dropped by processors for failure to demonstrate liability coverage.

Did you read your terms of service for any discussion of firearms or components?

Zak Smith
January 23, 2013, 10:28 PM
We were good to go with their terms and we detailed exactly how we do business. It was all GTG at the time.

jamesbeat
January 23, 2013, 10:37 PM
This is disgusting.
I used to have a small chain of retail stores, and it would have seriously messed me up if my merchant services provider had dropped me with no notice period.

I wonder what the reason is?

It must be either a change of policy by someone who really hates guns, or a fear of negative publicity.
I usually assume the latter in cases like these, but I'm not so sure about this one.
Would 'Intuit processed credit card transaction for payment for gun used in massacre' really make a good headline?

Must be some nutjob crusader on the board of directors.

gossamer
January 23, 2013, 10:39 PM
Seriously, look at Squareup.com. I pay 2.75% if the card is present, 3.0% if its not. No monthly fee. No terminal. Don't have to deal with any of the various cc rebate things. Money is in my account by the next day. I've taken in $4,000 charges with no problem. I can swipe/take cards on my iPhone or ipad.

And I am not affiliated with them at all except as a loyal customer.

Dropped quick books (Intuit) and Turbo Tax (Intuit) last year.

armedaccountant
January 23, 2013, 11:03 PM
Trust me you will be happy about this, Intuit charges ridiculously high processing rates. My company tried them out at one of our stores and we were literally paying 2-3 times as much in fees compared to our other stores. I promise if you shop around you can find interchange + $.07 a transaction.

Intuit was also running 2 or 3 days to fund. Our other processors fund next business day.

Robert
January 23, 2013, 11:07 PM
Our new copy of Turbo Tax is sitting on the desk as I type this. Never again.

vtail
January 23, 2013, 11:07 PM
Seriously, Intuit is one of the worst companies in America.

Do NOT do business with them.

TennJed
January 23, 2013, 11:30 PM
posted this on Facebook. Hopefully I can help shrink their bankroll

Prince Yamato
January 23, 2013, 11:31 PM
I swear that something was hatched in one of those Biden Gun Control committees. I don't know what, but he must have said something to scare Walmart and Intuit.

Clean97GTI
January 23, 2013, 11:43 PM
Intuit is a private company. If they don't like money, then good for them.
There are other processors who do like money.

OilyPablo
January 23, 2013, 11:45 PM
No Intuit products for me.

Choose a new merchant account. Their loss.

griff383
January 23, 2013, 11:49 PM
We were just talking about taxes over dinner this evening, I know who I wont use this year.

Sorry to hear about the inconvenience and thank you for the heads up.

beatledog7
January 23, 2013, 11:50 PM
Pretty soon it will get to the point where we simply cannot survive in normal society without doing business with some anti-gun entity or another.

We can decline to trade with some of them, but if that is our mantra and it controls our lives, what will we do when every supermarket chain, bank, and hardware store drops it's firearms-based clientele?

mgmorden
January 24, 2013, 12:21 AM
i WILL show my support for the 2nd amendment and be looking for different software to do my taxes.

www.TaxAct.com is cheaper and works great. I've used them for years.

As to Zak - I've heard of this happening more and more. Buds Gunshop just announced on Facebook that their finance company that they let customers finance guns through is dropping their account too (though they're CC processor is unaffected).

Just find a new processor and continue on. That's the beauty of capitalism. With the amount of money spent on guns and accessories SOMEBODY will want your and our business :).

Jenrick
January 24, 2013, 12:58 AM
Thanks for the link on TaxAct never heard of them, been using Turbo Tax for years.

-Jenrick

JustinJ
January 24, 2013, 10:38 AM
Does the agreement not at least allow for some sort of notification before ceasing service? Could they be liable for lost revenue if sufficient notice was not provided?

Fryerpower
January 24, 2013, 10:56 AM
It looks like Intuit does not want an email from anyone. They do have physical addresses and phone numbers.

http://about.intuit.com/about_intuit/locations/

Turbo Tax has a contact page.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/support/contact/index.jsp?_requestid=41975

Jim

rule303
January 24, 2013, 11:07 AM
Get set up with Payment Alliance International for your processing. They not only approve of gun sales, but actually support the NRA and other RKBA groups. Their rates are decent too.

TNBilly
January 24, 2013, 11:29 AM
ironic?
before i signed on i read this post with the advertisement to let right of your original post. guess what, the advertisement window was for intuit investment!

also, i am reading more and more about company removing themselves from gun related businesses. not good.

last, getting ready for tax season and i looked at my turbo tax. its made by intuit!

i WILL show my support for the 2nd amendment and be looking for different software to do my taxes.

good luck and best wishes.

take care
e5i5o
As are all the Quickbooks line of software!

Cranky CJ
January 24, 2013, 12:03 PM
Too bad. Been using turbotax for many years now. Not this year. I vote with my $$, not gun friendly, don't get my $$.

AABEN
January 24, 2013, 12:34 PM
I am one of the owners of a silencer manufacturing company. We have used Intuit for the last 5 years as our credit card processing service/vendor ("merchant account").

At about 4:30 PM today I got a call that they were cancelling our merchant account (effective today) because their new policy prohibits all gun stuff.

We are not happy to put it mildly.
That is discriminating I thought that was ageist the law !!

Zak Smith
January 24, 2013, 12:36 PM
Only for "protected classes."

Ryanxia
January 24, 2013, 12:44 PM
That's ridiculous! Getting out of hand indeed. I'll do a mental catalog to never do business with them again, right along with; Jared's Jewlers, Toys R US, Buffalo Wildwings and Bank of America.

Bubbles
January 24, 2013, 01:17 PM
Intuit has discriminated against firearm dealers and manufacturers for a long time. So have First Data, authorize.net, square, and some others.

Payment Alliance International and First National Merchant Solutions are both good to go.

FWIW the reason for the discrimination has nothing to do with the RKBA. It's because we take payments and ship product to someone other than the purchaser/card holder (guns shipped interstate must go through a transfer FFL). This makes us "riskier" in the financial transaction world, which is a laugh IMO since we've never had a chargeback and have only ever had to issue one refund in four years.

gossamer
January 24, 2013, 01:27 PM
That is discriminating I thought that was ageist the law !!

No. A private business can cease doing business with a company if they choose to for some business interest. And no, folks, it's not "only for protected classes."

I've dropped female-owned businesses as a client. I've refused business from companies owned by individuals over 45 years old. I've also dropped clients who were businesses owned by 30-something white guys without disability. In each case, I had a specific business interest in doing so.

In cases in which the client is not a member of a federally protected class, the question is whether the business's refusal of service was arbitrary, or whether the business had a specific interest in refusing service.

"Good public relations" and "fear of liability" are, in fact, a specific business reason for doing something. I don't do business with pornographers because I don't want bad PR. I refuse to conduct my business where some bystander could get hurt from falling rigging because I don't want the liability. I'm not breaking any laws.

Of note. Chase and Bank of America have also declined to service gun company accounts. They cited political and PR reasons.

Freedoms cut both ways.

Zak Smith
January 24, 2013, 01:50 PM
. It's because we take payments and ship product to someone other than the purchaser/card holder (guns shipped interstate must go through a transfer FFL)
As a manufacturer, the vast majority of our charges are from dealers buying stock, so yeah we ship to the cardholder.

blahpony
January 24, 2013, 01:53 PM
+1 for TaxAct.com.

HOOfan_1
January 24, 2013, 01:54 PM
What if they canceled your acount because you were run by a miniority.....

G2065G
January 24, 2013, 02:07 PM
I've used turbotax for 6 years, I will not be using them again. I am going to take a look at everyone who gets my $$ to see what their policies are regarding firearms / 2A. Not something I've ever given a second of thought about in the past but it's one more small thing I/we can do.

If there isnt a thread/sticky started maybe one should be that lists companies that support anti-firearms legislation. I am new to THR so havent read it all yet.

flyskater
January 24, 2013, 02:11 PM
We use Intuit for my company exclusively. I guess it's time to find another company.

Sav .250
January 24, 2013, 02:12 PM
A sign of the times. Looks like some companies are trying to get in front of any fall out.

SilentStalker
January 24, 2013, 03:10 PM
Unfortunately, I fear more of this is coming. Geico has apparently dropped insurance for company vehicles among other things for a lot of people in the firearm industry. Supposedly, they are sending them letters informing them of this one by one.

WardenWolf
January 24, 2013, 03:41 PM
There needs to be a law akin to the firearm manufacturers' protection law that prohibits a merchant or bank from discriminating against a company based on any lawful business. This needs to stop. Now. Banks and credit card providers shouldn't be able to say "We won't service you" simply because you don't align with their politics. They hold too much power in business nowadays and could easily cause significant harm if enough of them got onboard.

oneounceload
January 24, 2013, 04:03 PM
When the Intuit/Quicken group opened a Reno operation over a decade ago, they were already doing that. I thought that they, like BOA, were common knowledge about their stance.

Sorry to hear it, but if boards like this can get that big PA show cancelled, it might be worth a try to spread the word on every forum about this........

gossamer
January 24, 2013, 04:07 PM
There needs to be a law akin to the firearm manufacturers' protection law that prohibits a merchant or bank from discriminating against a company based on any lawful business. This needs to stop. Now. Banks and credit card providers shouldn't be able to say "We won't service you" simply because you don't align with their politics. They hold too much power in business nowadays and could easily cause significant harm if enough of them got onboard.

Wait? So I should be curtailed in my right to do business with only those people I choose?

I should lose my right to deny services to someone because I suspect they may not end up paying on time (slow paying is, after all, not illegal)? May not be a good fit for my business? Because I don't like someone's ANTI RKBA politics? Or I'm just really busy?

I should now be punished for - after 20+ years of operating - the fact that I'm finally getting to a point of being successful enough that I can turn business away? All because someone's politics may be offended?

The right NOT to do business with someone (even if they're legal) is just as important as the right to run your own business. I don't want the government telling me or anyone else they have to take whatever customer comes along.

Sorry, but I like ALL my rights, thanks.

WardenWolf
January 24, 2013, 05:28 PM
There's something called "Restraint of trade", Gossamer. These companies are the gatekeepers to doing business in the modern world. There's a reason why Internet Service Providers aren't allowed to filter traffic or discriminate as long as what you do is legal and not harmful to their network (net neutrality) and, for the same reasons, financial institutions should not be able to discriminate based solely on a lawful type of business. When a company has that kind of power, certain restrictions need to exist.

Certaindeaf
January 24, 2013, 05:44 PM
Of all the stickies, we need a master sticky enumerating all the bad actors.

carbine85
January 24, 2013, 07:06 PM
I was going to sign-up with Intuit when I return to work next week. I guess I have to look at the other options now.
It's hard enough to run a business these days with affing more stupid crap to it.

Gaiudo
January 24, 2013, 07:36 PM
Zumbo time?

Absolutely. I've informed Intuit that I will no longer be using TurboTax, and I will be looking for a different transaction broker.

SSN Vet
January 24, 2013, 07:59 PM
Welcome to the new apartheid.

Impureclient
January 24, 2013, 07:59 PM
Weird. I just got an email from them. Never did before that I know of. Maybe they dropped some customers and wish to pick up some more.

indyogb
January 24, 2013, 08:01 PM
I'm not normally an "activist" type, and I've been using TurboTax for years. However, in light of so many businesses dropping perfectly legal firearms businesses, I can say I don't feel I can sit idly by and watch any longer. I'll try the TaxAct linked here (thanks) - just in time for my W-2s. :)

Is this just perceived pressure these companies are feeling, or is the pressure more tangible (like part of Obama's "working with businesses to make change")? Maybe someone has some inside knowledge.

At any rate, I'll try and do what I can. Hopefully, enough action can make enough of a dent to get the message across.

oneounceload
January 24, 2013, 08:02 PM
There's something called "Restraint of trade", Gossamer. These companies are the gatekeepers to doing business in the modern world. There's a reason why Internet Service Providers aren't allowed to filter traffic or discriminate as long as what you do is legal and not harmful to their network (net neutrality) and, for the same reasons, financial institutions should not be able to discriminate based solely on a lawful type of business. When a company has that kind of power, certain restrictions need to exist.

Intuit is NOT the only place to get your taxes done =- no restraint of trade

And yes, ISPs DO censor sites all the time - child porn is one example, and now guns will be the next

gossamer
January 24, 2013, 08:19 PM
There's something called "Restraint of trade", Gossamer. These companies are the gatekeepers to doing business in the modern world. There's a reason why Internet Service Providers aren't allowed to filter traffic or discriminate as long as what you do is legal and not harmful to their network (net neutrality) and, for the same reasons, financial institutions should not be able to discriminate based solely on a lawful type of business. When a company has that kind of power, certain restrictions need to exist.
And yet hundreds of businesses and individuals manage to conduct business without accepting credit cards in gunbroker every day.

Not restraint of trade.

I didn't require a cc processor to do business for the previous 19 years, I guess 2011 wasn't the modern era?

Not restraint if trade.

ISPs are absolutely allowed to filter and even stop traffic even if its legal.

Not restraint of trade.

Currently Im the only person in America who knows how to do a high-exposure but minor job in the grad scheme for a Fortune 500 company. If I decide not to take their business because they are a very slow pay, I should be sued or branded a criminal because I'm a gate keeper?

Now, THAT would be restraint of trade.

HKGuns
January 24, 2013, 10:52 PM
They just lost me as a customer as well and I've been using them for a VERY long time. I just sent the note below to their CCO.

Rob Lanesey
rob_lanesey@intuit.com
Chief Communications Officer
650-944-3230 office
650-450-0028 cell


Mr. Lanesey,

I have been a Turbo Tax customer since the early 1990ís and I subscribe to the automatic annual renewal feature provided by your company through your website.

I recently learned that you cancelled the account of a business that is in the firearms industry because of some policy against firearms related transactions. (reference linked thread below)

As a veteran of six years in the United States Navy, I do not support Companies who refuse to support legitimate businesses in the firearms industry. I will be cancelling my automated annual renewal and taking my business elsewhere after this tax season. You are playing politics with the United States Constitution and that is unacceptable. My suggestion is that you reconsider this poorly thought out policy before you lose an even larger number of formerly loyal customers.

buckhorn_cortez
January 24, 2013, 11:09 PM
Not saying it was a wise decision on Intuit's part, but they do not appear to be specifically picking on firearms as there are a WHOLE LOT of things they will not provide card processing for - firearms is way down on a gigantic list....I've higlighted a few of my favorites.

(c) Permitted Use Policy. Merchant agrees that it will not conduct business in furtherance of any of the following businesses or business activities: illegal products or services of any kind; adult oriented products or services including video streaming, audio text; airlines; annual billing / sales; auto performance chips (fuel economy, etc.);[ bail bonds; bankruptcy attorneys; cable box de-scramblers; collection agencies or collection attorneys; credit repair / credit card protection; credit counseling, restoration or repair; dating services; drug paraphernalia; escort services; freight forwarders; gambling, gaming, lottery sales, grab bags, raffles, or sweepstakes; hair growth and or replacement products; import / export; internet “fulfillment houses” (aggregator, multiple merchants with same mid); lifetime guarantee products or lifetime memberships; loan modification or mortgage reduction services; mailing lists and personal information; pharmaceuticals non-face to face (including business to business); occult materials; online auctions; outbound telemarketing; personal enhancement products (teeth whitening, acai berry, etc); precious metal or stamps; pyramid sales; racism, violence, abuse, discrimination, or other immoral activities; rebate, refund or prize-based businesses; securities brokers; sports forecasting or odds making; telephone service, rechargeable, phone cards, VOIP; timeshares or future delivered services; travel, travel clubs, cruise lines; and any of the following business types where payment is made via the internet, mail order, telephone order or other card not present method: coin dealers / sales; firearms, weapons or fireworks; psychic readings; tobacco products or sales. Intuit maintains full discretion in determining whether or not to provide services to a Merchant irrespective of the underlying nature of the goods or services provided by such party.

Zak Smith
January 24, 2013, 11:10 PM
This is clearly a change in their position since we signed up compliant with their terms at the time.

larryh1108
January 24, 2013, 11:38 PM
firearms, weapons or fireworks

Your company does not sell anything lised there.

I just sent an email to Mr Lanesey as well. I've used Turbo Tax for over 10 years. Not any more.

I let him know he alienated almost half the population. I asked him if appeasing half the population was worth alienating the other half. I hope his inbox gets stuffed full.

icanthitabarn
January 24, 2013, 11:49 PM
Well for my 2 cents I will mention Taxhawk. It works great and is FREE. A State return is $12 and I like them a lot, at least for the last three years. :)

marksg
January 25, 2013, 07:34 AM
I just read this on the local news.


http://www.newschannel5.com/story/20701142/gun-dealers-have-problems-with-credit-card-processors

Frogomatik
January 25, 2013, 07:53 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if many of the companies that are discontinuing business with the firearms industry were offered some kind of incentives by the powers that be.

I wouldn't put it past the current administration to have used all sorts of methods. anything from "tax incentives" to "threat of detailed audits"

OilyPablo
January 25, 2013, 08:02 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if many of the companies that are discontinuing business with the firearms industry were offered some kind of incentives by the powers that be.

I wouldn't put it past the current administration to have used all sorts of methods. anything from "tax incentives" to "threat of detailed audits"

There is no doubt in my mind about B of A.

buckhorn_cortez
January 25, 2013, 08:05 AM
This is clearly a change in their position since we signed up compliant with their terms at the time.

And if you read all of the legal disclaimers, they tell you that they have the right to change the terms at any time. So, they're still not outside of their terms at the time you signed up with them. Same type of disclaimer that is on every credit card agreement - they can change the terms anytime and their only obligation is to send a notification to you that the terms have changed.

While it's a PITA because it interrupts your daily routine and causes some temporary problems, there are a number of alternatives to Intuit credit card processing. Find another company and get on with your business and never buy another product from Intuit.

I made that decision about Discover and AMEX at least 12 years ago and have never done any business with either of them since. We all seem to be doing just fine - they don't miss my business and I have the satisfaction of not using any of their products.

GA400
January 25, 2013, 08:48 AM
Another vote for TaxAct, I have personally used them for many years, and now my mother and mother in law (an accountant who used to work for HR Block preparing tax returns) use it as well. I have used their support and they are courteous, quick, and effective.

Bartholomew Roberts
January 25, 2013, 09:18 AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/rahm-emanuel-presses-banks-on-guns-86706.html

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, moving to take a lead role in the gun control debate, is turning up the pressure on banks that do business with firearms manufacturers.

Emanuel is sending letters to two major financial institutions, TD Bank and Bank of America, which offer lines of credit to gun makers suggesting that they stop lending money to the manufacturers if they don’t come out for new gun restrictions.

CharlieBT
January 25, 2013, 09:44 AM
This frustrates me Zak. I used to shoot with the owner of Wellington Enterprises, a national credit card processor and ATM provider, which I would guess is staunch 2A unless the major banks cut it off at the knees. I would like to see a sticky thread of businesses and politicians who've moved to economically sanction gun owners and the gun industries. I will discriminate with my hard earned cash too. I won't give a penny to these guys if I can avoid it. A polite list enabling folks to be aware and choose would by handy.

Zak Smith
January 25, 2013, 01:29 PM
And if you read all of the legal disclaimers, they tell you that they have the right to change the terms at any time. So, they're still not outside of their terms at the time you signed up with them. Same type of disclaimer that is on every credit card agreement - they can change the terms anytime and their only obligation is to send a notification to you that the terms have changed.
Obviously.

I never claimed otherwise, and we were free to drop them at any time for any reason just as well.

larryh1108
January 25, 2013, 06:52 PM
I agree.
A sticky with proven anti-gun companies would be nice so we can see who not to give our hard earned money to. Just the business name is all we need to keep it simple. Proven means actual first hand experience or any type of written statements from the company stating their position. Posting rumors only is not ethical.

rjrivero
January 25, 2013, 06:54 PM
I agree.
A sticky with proven anti-gun companies would be nice so we can see who not to give our hard earned money to. Just the business name is all we need to keep it simple. Proven means actual first hand experience or any type of written statements from the company stating their position. Posting rumors only is not ethical.

Funny you mention this. I just sent a PM to a mod with this same idea!

Edit: Of course, the NRA-ILA already maintains such a list. LINK HERE. (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2010/national-organizations-with-anti-gun-po.aspx?s&st&ps)

larryh1108
January 25, 2013, 09:04 PM
The NRA-ILA list is quite long and comprehensive. However, I didn't see Bank of America on it nor Intuit.

Quickly scanning the list of celebrities who are anti-gun, I was surprised to see Bruce Springstein on it. He's Mr "Born in the USA"! What a hippocrite.

Also on the list is Wrangler jeans. Wrangler is supposed to signify all that is America. I guess not!

BullfrogKen
January 25, 2013, 11:49 PM
Send a message to the NRA so they can add Bank of America and Intuit to the list.

HD_Ride
January 26, 2013, 12:43 AM
I'm a little late to the thread but I use TAXCUT (http://www.hrblock.com/tax-software/index.html)however I don't know their 2A stance is...

I gave up Turbo Tax for another reason, those that don't remember TurboTax tried to put a fast one on us and I haven't used it since. see links below

Inuit Apologizes for Turbo Tax DRM
http://gadgetopia.com/post/1240

Writing to the boot track (about half way down)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboTax

Wylie1
January 26, 2013, 12:57 AM
Excuse me for this statement but welcome to the Corporate States of America.

CraigC
January 26, 2013, 09:48 AM
I actually see this as a good thing. It will make things much more clear. We will know who are enemies are and our voices will be heard.

wacki
January 26, 2013, 12:47 PM
do we have a running list oif all these companies?

Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

Yosemite Sam
January 26, 2013, 06:05 PM
I was considering using Intuit Quickbooks Online to take care of accounting, bookkeeping, and invoices for my new start-up company, but thanks for cementing my decision not to use Intuit.

ID-shooting
January 29, 2013, 05:34 PM
What in the world are you on about? That question doesn't even make a bit of sense.

Zak, on the upside, there are tons of payment processors and I'm sure you can find one that works for you.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=699730

This is what I was trying to convey.

Bartholomew Roberts
February 1, 2013, 03:41 PM
I had a TurboTax ad pop up on my Facebook feed. I took the opportunity to share their antigun stance in the comments.

Zak Smith
February 13, 2013, 06:08 PM
We are up and running with PAI

OilyPablo
February 13, 2013, 07:24 PM
Zak - that's great news!!

armedandsafe
February 14, 2013, 01:37 AM
This is a site I use. It is only as good as the information it receives from US, the aware gun owners.

http://friendorfoe.us/

Pops

Vector
February 14, 2013, 12:52 PM
Wow. What do they care what your business is? You'd think as long as they're getting their cut that they'd be happy :fire::cuss:

+1

I suspect they provide services for smut vendors like adult book stores and the like.
God forbid a company engages in something that is a Constitutional right.:rolleyes:

Akita1
February 14, 2013, 01:10 PM
Glad Zak started this thread & sorry I missed it until now; been using them since they first released the TurboTax software because, candidly, it is an excellent product.

Not so anymore/never again - will spread the word as well.

PGT
February 14, 2013, 01:39 PM
I don't agree in any way, but I can see these decisions being made as risk mitigation strategies...leaving all politics aside.

Zak Smith
February 14, 2013, 01:54 PM
I don't agree in any way, but I can see these decisions being made as risk mitigation strategies...leaving all politics aside.
Sure, that's their excuse. But anything can be explained as a risk mitigation strategy. Considering that our business has not changed, other than grown, and the recent events played out in the media, that does not support that explanation.

Grey_Mana
February 14, 2013, 05:12 PM
Does TurboTax make some promise about not using or selling all the information given them? Your social security #, W2, address, email, financial information and checking account - seems like they should be able to sell the information to marketing companies for a fat profit.

VegasAR15
February 15, 2013, 10:18 AM
This kind of thing usually seems to make the news when Bank of America does it, did you send the story into any news sources?

PapaGrune
February 17, 2013, 01:59 PM
I do not think my wife is willing to give up Turbo Tax, but I wanted due when Tim Geithner became Treasury Secretary.

Any new software would have to use Turbotax files to import so she would not have to enter previous years. When I still had a business we used the business version.. She does some family members.

I have heard if you want your complaints, cancellation notices to send letters to the sales department, and or marketing department as they will look at the losing of customers in a different way as the president. You can include all three if you like.

We buy the software at Sams or some retail outs. Bought it once direct, but it is cheaper in the stores.

Bhamrichard
February 18, 2013, 08:37 PM
I used Taxact.com this year instead of the Turbotax.com that I've used for years.. I'll vote with my $'s..

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