Politicians Feeling Out How Much Gun Control You Will Tolerate


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Bartholomew Roberts
January 24, 2013, 09:32 AM
The New York Times has an interesting piece on the with us today/against us tomorrow Joe Manchin of WV.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/us/politics/democratic-senators-face-gun-owners-roused-by-talk-of-new-laws.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

This line in particular caught my attention:
"As Congress considers what, if any, laws to change, Mr. Manchin has become a barometer among his colleagues, testing just how far they might be able to go without angering voters."

I think it describes the phenomenon we are facing quite well. You are going to get exactly as much gun control as they think they can force on you without repercussions at the ballot box. If they think it will cost them at the ballot box, they won't do anything. Our job is to make sure they understand that there is no acceptable amount of gun control.

If you tell them anything is OK or "tolerable" they are going to make sure they pass that. They are counting on you lying down and compromising more of your rights away out of fear. We have the votes and the money. We do not need to be afraid or to compromise.

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Westfair
January 24, 2013, 09:41 AM
Hence the old saying "Give them an inch and they will take a mile."

We have to be resolute in our position on this. Giving in for a few lives today may mean thousands years from now.

Pointshoot
January 24, 2013, 11:36 AM
The high level antis and politicians know the real score.

It ultimately comes down to what American citizens who are gunowners are willing to tolerate. The way to get them to tolerate more - is by psych-war carried out by the media. Convince them there is a 'problem' (even though youre more likely to be stuck by lightning that be a victim of a mass shooting). And convince them that new laws are 'inevitable'. And convince them that the matter is up to the decrees of politicians and bureaucrats, rather than the citizen gunowners themselves.

Years back there was a whole buzz about some 'devasting flu epidemic' and the notion was floated out there that people may even be forced to take the vaccine. Americans were concerned about the health effects of that vaccine and refused to take it. It was one big farce, and the pharma companies ended up dumping the stuff. In that case, people didnt fall for all the propaganda. Will they this time around ?

P.S. - - - the media even uses the pace of stories on this issue to try to turn opinion. You see more and more crime stories. You see more anti proposals. The purpose is to make pro 2A people think that the momentum is going against us. - - - But just ask yourself - if the country is so anti gun, how come there are record numbers of sales and record numbers of people getting concealed carry permits ? The media is a lie. "Repeat a Big Lie long enough, and people begin to believe it."

Prophet
January 24, 2013, 11:42 AM
without angering voters.

So this is the criteria by which NY creates its laws is it? If it doesn't anger the citizenry then pass it. If this is the case then we need to cut down on the amount of time our lawmakers have on hand to hold legislative session, then maybe only the vitally important stuff will get passed. No wonder we have so many onerous regulations and red tape to wade through in this country.

Skribs
January 24, 2013, 11:45 AM
Then what I'm doing (although it probably won't work, one of my senators has an F rating with the NRA, and the other probably does, I just haven't verified it) is correct:

I say if you vote for any further gun control, my time and money will go to your opponents. If you vote against the gun control, I will support you.

Carne Frio
January 24, 2013, 01:40 PM
I'm against any political animal that is not NRA A rated.

VA27
January 24, 2013, 03:33 PM
I'm thinking that if it comes down to it and things are looking grim, I may let my legislators know that even if THEY vote against it and it passes anyway, they will still be held accountable and I'll find someone else to support!

tarosean
January 24, 2013, 03:37 PM
So this is the criteria by which NY creates its laws is it

NY didn't give anyone a choice or voice...

Skribs
January 24, 2013, 03:37 PM
I wouldn't go that far VA27. We don't want to alienate those who support us. Your suggestion reminds me of the opening scene to Enemy At the Gates...if you lose the battle, you're shot.

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