My Rossi Experience


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Handi Man
January 25, 2013, 12:44 PM
I've always wanted a levergun in 45-70 and after reading many positive reviews I decided to get the Rio-Grande. Purchased it NIB on Nov.7 took it home and shot 325 Gr. hornady leverevolution through it at 70 yrds it would not hit the refrigerator my target was attched to. After moving to 50 yrds I came up with 36'' to the left of the regrigerator. Moving into 35yrds I could see it grouping quite well but at 20" to the left of my target. I tapped the front sight over inside the dovetail and that didn't help at all. Took it back to my LGS on Nov.10 (opening day of modern gun season) and had it shipped back to brazil with a note stating it shot 36'' to the left of my target at 50 yrds. It arrived at my LGS on Jan 23 I picked it up yesterday. With my returned rifle I received a target from Rossi of a ragged hole of a 5 shot group but it was 3'' to the left and was only shot at 25yrds. I took it home and shot it at 35yrds and low and behold it still shot roughly 20'' to the left. The rifle would sometimes not even strike the primer at all. Seems to me they kept the rifle for 3 months shot it five times and sent it back. :cuss:

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9w1911
January 25, 2013, 12:48 PM
I am sorry to hear that, I am looking at Rossi's in .44mag and this has me concerned.

holdencm9
January 25, 2013, 12:57 PM
I don't get how it can go from 3" left at 25 yards to 20" left at 35 yards.

Handi Man
January 25, 2013, 12:58 PM
me either even had it tied down in a vice

joecil
January 25, 2013, 01:01 PM
I'm also sorry to hear it but to be honest never shot mine more than 25 yards on in indoor range just to test out with the iron sights. I've since mounted a Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5x32mm scope removing the rear sight.

It could of also been the rear sight slightly out also as it can also be slide right or left. But based on the difference you reported I really have little idea what could cause that.

Handi Man
January 25, 2013, 01:05 PM
Sorry I forgot to mention I moved the rear sight as well during my first experience with it.

gspn
January 25, 2013, 01:13 PM
I bought a Rossi Tri-Fecta and am left with a similar view of the company. The gun slowly began to fail and then quit working all together.

Attempts at contacting the company were terribly frustrating. In the end I decided it was better to let my $300 purchase go to waste and sit unused until I throw it away rather than try to deal with that company or their bad product.

I will never buy another Rossi...it was easily the worst gun I've ever purchased.

Handi Man
January 25, 2013, 01:18 PM
We may be in the same boat.

RPRNY
January 25, 2013, 01:18 PM
I hope you had your Buffalo Classic Handi Rifle as a stand by for deer season. :D

It would be extremely helpful were you to keep these experiences "handy" for use in the numerous Rossi lever gun threads in which any suggestion that they are less than "finely tuned classic firearms sold at astoundingly low prices given their consistent stellar performance" is shouted down with cries that these are internet rumors and the claims of Marlin and Winchester shills who have no experience with Rossis.

Handi Man
January 25, 2013, 01:44 PM
Should've went with the buffalo classic in hindsite but no. I did have a Handi in .444 marlin Handy

Zalinth
January 25, 2013, 02:00 PM
wow I am sorry to hear that, I have been toying with the idea of getting a Rossi M94 in 45LC for a cowboy action. But after reading your experience I just might keep my 300 bucks.

Quoheleth
January 25, 2013, 02:06 PM
Did you try any other ammo besides the Leverevolution? I heard some rifles just don't like that cartridge.

holdencm9
January 25, 2013, 03:11 PM
So, being 20" off at 35 yards would have to mean that the sights are over 1/4" off axis from one another, of where they should be. I just can't even fathom that you have adjusted your sights as far as they will go and they STILL need another 1/4" movement between them.

Handi Man
January 25, 2013, 04:27 PM
aven't tried any other ammo and the groups rossi sent me a 25 yrds were the same leverevolution I was using . And yes the sights couldnt have gone much further.

Hootus
January 25, 2013, 04:31 PM
My Rossi M92 carbine in 44 mag shoots fine, although very high. I had to install a taller front sight and that fixed it for me. I have no idea how a rifle could shoot that far off horizontally :confused:

BCRider
January 26, 2013, 02:05 PM
I would suggest that the issue isn't so much with the guns themselves as it is with the US distributor/warranty center. The rifles are simply wood and metal. As I recall Rossi in the US is serviced by Taurus? If that's right then I think we found the problem. I've read so many accounts of poor service and warranty work from Taurus USA that I'm surprised that they are still in business.

There are enough happy Rossi owners to support the idea that the rifles are fine once any bugs are worked out. We owners don't lie to cover up stuff and lure newbies in like the Sirens calling sailors to their doom.

Since a Rossi lever rifle is a clone of the Winchester 92 I would suggest that any issues can be easily corrected by any decent gunsmith. One that handles a lot of repairs and improvements for the local Cowboy Action group will know the insides of these things like you know the back of your hand.

Yeah, I know this means giving up on the warranty. But in the end they are still a low cost option that can be made to work and shoot well for not much more money than the original sale price. And even with the possibility that they require such work the added cost will still keep them well under the cost of an Italian cowboy clone rifle or the cost of the real things from Winchester or Marlin.

RPRNY
January 26, 2013, 03:43 PM
See, as I suggested earlier Handi, this couldn't possibly have happened with your rifle. Many happy Rossi owners will attest to that fact. The utter crap that I got when I purchased a .22lr / .410 youth combo set last summer for the kids couldn't have happened. And my Brother-in-Law's .357 lever gun that was replaced three times before it would operate in a manner reasonably consistent with one's expectations for a lever gun also could not have happened. Just couldn't.

Handi Man
January 26, 2013, 05:43 PM
Well its in the process of going back now only time will tell.

godale
January 26, 2013, 06:50 PM
i will stick to a used marlin to many negative things about the rossi

rhinoh
January 26, 2013, 08:09 PM
Since a Rossi lever rifle is a clone of the Winchester 92 I would suggest that any issues can be easily corrected by any decent gunsmith.

Am I wrong in thinking that the Rio Grande Rossi's are NOT like Winchester 92's?:confused:
I have two of the Rossi 92 clones and they both have been good.

hipoint
January 26, 2013, 11:25 PM
I too have been burned by rossi, to the tune of a $500+ dollar circuit judge was so abysmal with accuracy using many types of ammo that it went the way of the dodo...

furthermore, my only other real major problem with a gun was a taurus .357 mag, very first shot and my face was pelted with shrapnel, the barrel sleeve or forcing cone cracked open... It was replaced with another brand new one the same day by my dealer, and the new one did fine, but I didn't trust it so it has floated away from me as well, the fella who bought it is still happy with it, but I will never purchase a Taurus or especially ROSSI product again.

ironhead7544
January 27, 2013, 04:44 PM
Sounds like a bent barrel. I would send it back and ask for a new rifle.

SFsc616171
January 27, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sorry to hear that, with your purchase. I own a Rossi rifle. My first box of ammo, out of the box, had all the shots all on "the guy in the grey sweatsuit with his left hand over his heart''s left hand, at 25 yards, with no bench, and my first rifle in over 20 years. Mine is not a .45-70, though. It's only a little .357 Magnum carbine.

kd7nqb
January 27, 2013, 06:50 PM
I never like to hear about bad customer service, I have a .410/22lr combo that I love and have considered the circuit court judge but now I shall reconsider.

Maj Dad
January 27, 2013, 08:50 PM
My new M92 44 mag wouldn't cycle any thing I tried - round nose, RNFP, HP, RNHP - so I found this site: http://www.rossi-rifleman.com/. After a few minutes looking around, I followed one suggestion (flush the action with brake cleaner well, then after drying, spray it with your favorite lube, drain/dry it, and Voila! Functions flawlessly - I would have never believed it! But - there are threads for all of Rossi's models, and the Rio Grande has a very active and informative one. It may be that your rifle is a POS and should go back, but check this out first. Can't hurt...
Good luck :)

Handi Man
April 29, 2013, 11:12 PM
UPDATE

Got it back a few days ago took it out it shoots a 1inch group consistently 3inches high and to the left at 100 yards. It also goes bang every time now which is a nice plus.

fatcpa
April 30, 2013, 10:33 AM
Sorry to hear of you guys problems. I have a couple of Rossi M92's in 44 mag and 45 colt. They both shot pretty well out of the box. Both shot pretty well right on and about 3 inches high. I replaced the buckhorn sights on both rifles with mid heigth buckhorn sights from Steve Young at Steve's Gunz and the added adjustability made a world of difference. Using my moderate reloads with 240 and 255 grain lead bullets I shoot 25 inch groups at 50 yards. Because of old tired eyes, I am lucky to get 8 inches at 100 yards. I did order Steve's DVD and did some light tuning. I have two other lever action Marlins and the Rossi's go to the range the most.

joecil
April 30, 2013, 11:04 AM
As I stated earlier I have a Rossi Rio Grande in 45-70 and a Rossi 92 in 45 Colt. The colt had feeding problems when I got it sent it back with a return time of 7 days and feeding problem gone. Put a 1000 rounds through it then got the Steve Gunz DVD and tune kit. I smoothed out and now serves both cowboy action shoots as well as hunting using 290 - 300 gr cast gas checked bullets loaded with Lil'Gun.

The 45-70 need only the loading gate adjusted a bit to lessen its strength so it could be loaded easily. Other than that it was the best internally finished gun I've ever owned in almost 50 years of having guns. However Rossi guns at their price level are mass produced CNC machined with no custom fitting so if you aren't willing to take it apart and tune it then spend more and get a gun that costs more. I've have dealt with about every major customer service out there from S&W, Colt, Ruger, Winchester, Taurus/Rossi and others. The best I've found it Armscor/RIA bar none with the rest on a par with Taurus/Rossi.

jpwilly
May 1, 2013, 01:10 AM
If the deer is running to your left your GTG! :what:

HoosierQ
May 1, 2013, 07:43 AM
I joined the Rossi-Rifleman forum just to learn more. Sounds like the "Rossi Community" pretty much expect a certain amount of tinkering that has to be done. Everything from the basic "take off the buttstock, soak in brake cleaner for 24 hours, blow out, soak in oil for 24 hours then try" to taking them completely apart and removing burrs and whatnot from just about everyplace.

Those guys seem to love them. Sounds like you need to be a tinkerer to be a Rossi Rifleman?

Not sure how I feel about that.

HankR
May 1, 2013, 09:31 AM
Sounds like you need to be a tinkerer to be a Rossi Rifleman?

I'm a Marlin fan, but I had to send my wife's (Marlin) .357 lever gun back for what I found out later was a known flaw. I'm still happy w/ the company. Only concern is that it was back for service during 9-11 and I was concerned that the rules might change for getting it shipped back to me.

My son's first gun was the Rossi "matched pair" in .22lr and 20 gauge, and we've been very happy with it. Not a lot of moving parts, so I'm not sure what could go wrong with them or the trifecta (although, we were shooting at .25 yards with open sights, so long range accuracy was never tested). At some point I wanted to buy a scope base for it, and dealing with them on the phone was a bummer. I forget the details, but not easy to get a hold of and hard to get questions answered.

No real experience with Rossi lever guns yet, but I recently bought a Rossi in .45 Colt. It does cycle fine, even my semi-wadcutter reloads, but I have not fired it yet. I guess I better run some rounds through it when the weather warms up. Most of the snow is gone, I could probably find my brass if we go out this weekend.

Not to be contrary, but I've also had good luck with the Taurus .22 revolvers. I'm not sure the exact current status of the relationship between Taurus and Rossi, but these are guns that everybody loves to hate. I've had three of them over the years and been lucky enough that they all worked well. I'm a huge Ruger fan, but my Ruger SP-101 in .22lr has been back to the factory once already. Ruger's CS was a joy to deal with, which is a big difference.

joecil
May 1, 2013, 10:39 AM
I've also had good luck with Taurus pistols and have 3 of them. Mine are the 3rd gen PT 111 Pro, PT 92 and a discontinued PT911. All 3 guns are 9mm, have had well over 4000 rounds through them over the years including +P loads and have never failed to work perfectly. My wife carries either the PT 911 or the PT 111 Pro depending on the cloths for the day. The 92 is my favorite target gun.

soonerfan85
May 1, 2013, 12:51 PM
Problem: My rifle is shooting 30 inches to the left. Solution: Move the target 30 inches to the left. :D Next question.

Sounds like they put CIA AK sights on it. Sorry to hear this as like others I've been thinking about buying a Rossi. May still do it but looks like a scope may be necessary to put lead on target. Hope you get it worked out.

HankR
May 1, 2013, 12:56 PM
I don't know about Art's Grammaw, but I am offended when someone speaks of scoping a lever gun.

Ed Ames
May 1, 2013, 08:22 PM
HankR, this is for you...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183506&d=1367450148

One of my Evil Black Rifles...I guess that's not really a scope though... :)

I guess that picture implies what my experience with these things has been.

Handi Man
May 1, 2013, 09:55 PM
may try the new sights for the "adjustability" but a scope wont come anywhere near it.:barf:

HankR
May 1, 2013, 10:05 PM
Didn't get the picture Ed (oops, now I see it--just slow to load. Somehow that doesn't look like it would effect the balance as much as a tube)

Handi-

My eyes are 50+ (each) and scopes have found their way onto many of my rifles. Since I'm left eye dominant, that also means I've replaced my deer rifle with a left handed model. The first purchase for the Rossi will be a peep sight. I suspect one day I'll need to scope the lever guns, but it just doesn't seem right.

(Tongue very firmly in cheek, Ed and others. I've got no business telling you what to do with your guns and I think everybody here knows that. I believe that "form follows function" and if I need a scope on my lever gun it'll grow one. I'm just having a little fun)

Handi Man
May 1, 2013, 10:27 PM
I understand perfectly as I age ill stick scopes on more rifles as well so I can keep them......Handi;)

Ed Ames
May 1, 2013, 10:28 PM
Oh I know and took it in the spirit intended. :D

Honestly I wouldn't have done that if given a good choice. The whole story is that years ago I decided I wanted a .454 carbine and spent about a year and a half looking at gun shows, local shops, and the online sellers for a 20” m92. I think I ordered it from Bud's within a day of it appearing there. I thought I was done with lever guns unless maybe I found a 99 at a great price.

Then I walked into a shop and saw a rack of the blued Braztec 92s, all in .454, all with the cheek piece and scope rail but nothing else (the store said they didn't even have boxes), all heavily discounted - hundreds less than I paid for the stainless. It was one of those "insult to injury" moments life throws my way so regularly. I sorted through and found the best one (some had screws missing and the like) and bought it thinking I could remove the scope mount and cheek atrocity. When I pulled the cheek thing off, though, the holes were ugly messes and I didn't have the tools to plug them properly. I tried a leupold "scout scope" but didn't like it. The 7.5MOA Deltapoint was a bit of a lark at first but it is actually fairly slick and makes for a quick-aiming fun gun.

soonerfan85
May 2, 2013, 08:16 AM
Not all lever actions look hideous with glass. The Winchester 88 looks like it's made for glass.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/triumphdaytonafan/image_zps75b228c2.jpg (http://s84.photobucket.com/user/triumphdaytonafan/media/image_zps75b228c2.jpg.html)

Some, like a Winchester 94, are just too purty to be add glass.

And some, like my Marlin 336 just NEED to be scoped.


Whatever puts lead on target is ok by me. :)

sansone
May 2, 2013, 08:41 AM
I have stopped stocking Rossi matched-pair rifles due to the obvious quality issues degrading over the last 3-5 years. The lever guns are more expensive and honestly this is the first time I've heard of quality issues with them.

BCRider
May 2, 2013, 02:00 PM
Oh, if we're going to get into the whole LOOKS thing then that's different! :D

I know when we begin talking what looks right and what just looks wrong that we're getting into a whole personal zone where no one is right and no one is wrong.

For me? Both from a looks and practicality standpoint I don't like to see top eject levers that have straight stocks with scopes. The straight stock is the real key to the vintage look which I feel makes the scope look wrong. Add to this the need for a kludgey looking side to over the top mount needed for the top eject style rifles and I feel that we've got the perfect recipe for something that looks like dog vomit.

Which, oddly enough, means that I'm totally cool with a scope on a pistol grip style Marlin 336. I even think that they look quite "right". Similarly a BLR or Savage 99 with a scope isn't beyond my ability to appreciate. Obviously a smaller and trimmer scope would aid in keeping such combinations a little more packable.

And of course that 88 shown just above looks more than fine with a scope. Oddly enough I'd never seen one until yesterday when I ran into an 88 in the used rifle section when doing the LGS tour while in town. I think it was chamberd in .308.

Handi Man
May 3, 2013, 08:04 PM
Who has used skinner sights and liked them might get some for it.

Hootus
May 4, 2013, 05:48 PM
I've got a Skinner peepsight on mine and am very satisfied with it.

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