Rock Island Armory 1911 Problems :(


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ThatGiantMidGet
January 25, 2013, 06:22 PM
-I Bought a Rock Island Armory 1911 Medium Size (3.5 Inch Barrel) and Had Jamming issues which I fixed with minor dremmel tool work...
-It feeds flawless now other than It being off aim by about 6 Inches low (I have to aim high)

-The Grip safety hurts the web of my hand along with the Thumb safety not properly aligned
-It looks as though the safety Is also scrubbing the web of my hand (because It's poking over the end of the Gun) -I can't really explain that too Well.

-Please post some links to comfortable Grips on RIA 1911 Mid Size
-because i seriously can NOT find any! :[

-Also are the sights removable because they don't look like it
-here Is a picture [LOOK AT THE SIGHTS]
-see If you can tell for me.

http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/ri45acp.jpg

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wally
January 25, 2013, 09:25 PM
The front sight is staked on (sorta like a rivet), replacement is pretty easy if you have the right tools, difficult if you don't.

CPLofMARINES
January 25, 2013, 09:34 PM
Was wondering about that piece?? I have thought
About getting the full size and was wondering if anyone
Has any thoughts on it. The price on them for what you
Get seems pretty reasonable.

Semper Fi

The Lone Haranguer
January 25, 2013, 10:08 PM
If you take the slide off and look at the bottom, you will see a bit of the front sight sticking through and mashed over, somewhat like a rivet (this is called "staking"). This can be cut away and a new sight installed. The rear sight is in a groove in the slide and can be punched or pressed out. If it is really shooting that low, you have little choice but to install a higher rear sight. The front sight would have to be made lower, but being so short already, there is nowhere to go with it. Frankly, I would be inclined to send it back to the importer.

As for the grip safety chewing your hand, this is what a beavertail is supposed to prevent. :confused: Perhaps there are gaps or uneven height between the grip safety and the frame cutout, or the rear edge of the thumb safety is digging in. I have also found that a very high thumb grip on 1911s beats up my hand at the base of the thumb.

WardenWolf
January 26, 2013, 01:56 AM
I'd have sent it back to RIA instead of taking a Dremel to it. They have excellent customer service. I got a whole new gun from them over something that wasn't truly their fault (my sweat is apparently incompatible with copper-base nickel finishes), even though the real reason I'd sent it in was for accuracy issues.

As for it shooting low, RIAs may be sighted to European standards. European pistols tend to require you cover the target more with the sights in order to hit on target. This is something people who deal a lot with surplus pistols know about. If you try to shoot a gun that's sighted to European standards like we do, it'll shoot low.

As for the grip safety, well, I'm not a huge fan of their beavertail. I have one on my RIA 1911 Tactical, and I'm thinking of replacing it with a standard non-beavertail 1911 grip safety. The grip screws you can countersink with a drill if they're a problem.

Travismcgee
January 26, 2013, 02:01 AM
Like a rock baybeee

1911 guy
January 26, 2013, 02:19 AM
Couple things. First, have someone else watch you shoot. Seriously. I have seen a LOT of people who will swear up and down they don't flinch, but they drop their hands several inches just as the trigger breaks.

If you're not flinching, I'd do one of two things. First, try to cover more of the target with the front sight. If that doesn't work or is counter to any current training you have, replacing the front sight is dead simple if you have the tools. To determine the correct height, go to the rifle forum, look at the sticky "Useful Links" and look for my post regarding iron sight adjustment. That will tell you how much higher youer new front sight needs to be.

Third, about the grip safety. I like RIA for what they are, a cheap reliable pistol. But they aren't up to snuff with fit and finish. Disassemble it and look for any burrs or sharp edges. Don't dremel them (drop the dremel and back away with your hands up), but stone them. Protruding burrs and sharp edges. Reassemble and give it another go.

MICHAEL T
January 26, 2013, 02:20 AM
Any grips for officer frame should work . Their are rubber wrap around like on Colt Defender if you like those. I didn't and tossed them right off.

JERRY
January 26, 2013, 03:00 AM
its odd that with standard GI sights it shoots low at 25 meters.

WardenWolf
January 26, 2013, 03:03 AM
Actually, come to think of it, I may have an explanation: it's a short-barreled 1911. This means significantly reduced velocity. This will, of course, cause it to shoot low at longer ranges like 25 yards / meters.

JERRY
January 26, 2013, 03:56 AM
WW there might be a "little" accuracy difference at that range but not a significant drop in poa/poi. OP says 6" low....

ThatGiantMidGet
January 26, 2013, 10:35 AM
Thank You peeps for all The helpful replies I will look Into everything You Guys mentioned :D

Roadrebel98
January 26, 2013, 05:46 PM
I own 2 Rocks, One FS GI 9mm and One CS GI .45, they both shoot dead on and perform flawlessly. I highly recommend the ROCK!!

Mainsail
January 26, 2013, 10:34 PM
http://www.topohiker.com/FS/RIANew2.png

bigfatdave
January 26, 2013, 11:23 PM
Ok so I bought a 3.5 Inch Rock Island Armory 1911 and Had Jamming issues You should call RIA in Nevada and talk to a gunsmith, they'll fix it unless you've borked up the gun and voided your warranty

which I fixed with minor dremmel tool work
you have voided your warranty

saitek
January 26, 2013, 11:31 PM
i just put a set of hoag rubber grips on mine and i love it ,dond have any problem with the grip saftey un less you are holding it wrong . the only modification i have done is to polish the the feed ramp to better feed wad cutter's other wise it is flawless . they do make adjustable rear sight 's both windage and elivation if you can have a smith push it on the dove tail you can get from midway .
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/710885/kensight-adjustable-rear-sight-1911-lpa-trt-cut-steel-black-rounded-blade-fully-serrated

Furncliff
January 26, 2013, 11:41 PM
Grips...
Pachmayer
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8325/8120589224_cca9f6a733.jpg

Unknown
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8120590232_0705f36d64.jpg

RIA also known as Armscor has great customer service, don't hesitate to call them. I'm almost sure they will supply you with a new front sight. Before you change the sights test the gun at 10 yards from a rest.

ThatGiantMidGet
January 27, 2013, 02:09 AM
You should call RIA in Nevada and talk to a gunsmith, they'll fix it unless you've borked up the gun and voided your warranty


you have voided your warranty
I don't think Im gonna need the warranty, Im gonna put some good rubber grips over the grip safety and fix the sights and change the grips and refinish it then It might become my competition gun because after polishing the feed ramp (and that minor dremel work) It feeds flawless now! (sorry for any grammatical errors its late and im tired lol

Fishslayer
January 27, 2013, 02:52 AM
What sort of ammo are you using? Generally a light bullet & higher velocity will tend to shoot low. I know messing around with 200gr SWC loads I'll find a combo that will shoot a few inches low at 15 yards out of a full size 5" barrel. Not sure how sensative a compact size would be to that.


Was wondering about that piece?? I have thought
About getting the full size and was wondering if anyone
Has any thoughts on it. The price on them for what you
Get seems pretty reasonable.

Semper Fi

They are GTG. A solid pistol for the $$$. Do a Google search. Reviews from owners are overwhelmingly positive. The high end 1911 fanboiz like to say "you get what you pay for." In the RIA's case I think you get more. ;) Unless you really want the old skool GI look pony up the $60-ish for the Tactical model. Lots of upgrades that would cost a lot more if you had them done.

ThatGiantMidGet
January 27, 2013, 11:59 PM
i just put a set of hoag rubber grips on mine and i love it ,dond have any problem with the grip saftey un less you are holding it wrong . the only modification i have done is to polish the the feed ramp to better feed wad cutter's other wise it is flawless . they do make adjustable rear sight 's both windage and elivation if you can have a smith push it on the dove tail you can get from midway .
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/710885/kensight-adjustable-rear-sight-1911-lpa-trt-cut-steel-black-rounded-blade-fully-serrated
What set of Hoag Rubber Grips are them?
-I Mean do they only sell one type or what?
sorry for being a newbie...

rondog
January 28, 2013, 12:11 AM
Somebody recommended Officer sized grips, that's wrong. Any grips for any full-sized 1911 will work. Might need to change bushings and screws, but good quality grips that need those should come with them. But those are NOT Officers size grips.

bigfatdave
January 28, 2013, 12:19 AM
Somebody recommended Officer sized grips, that's wrong. Any grips for any full-sized 1911 will work.
probably because the OP doesn't know what model he has, see below:

-I Bought a Rock Island Armory 1911 Medium Size (3.5 Inch Barrel)
The MS (medium or mid size) came with a 4" barrel until recently, when Armscor went to a barrel closer to 4.25". MS guns have a fullsize frame, just like almost all common commander-size guns. Yes, the MS takes FS (full size) - AKA government size AKA normal size - grips
The CS (compact size) has a 3.5" barrel, and an officer-size frame. The CS takes officer magazines and officer grips.

ThatGiantMidGet
January 28, 2013, 12:23 AM
Ok now Im confused, All I know Is Its a relatively small gun close to my Glock 27 I just said mid size because I know it's not full size and im not sure whether to call it compact or mid or whatever all I know Is It's a 3.5 Inch Barrel I can guarantee you that If anybody has seen s00tch's video of the RIA 1911 mid size thats the exact one i have

ThatGiantMidGet
January 28, 2013, 12:24 AM
Why couldnt Ria make a better take down design though ?

You have to use a paperclip to take down the Gun :banghead:

bigfatdave
January 28, 2013, 12:29 AM
http://www.galleryofguns.com//prod_images/54176.jpg
Mid Size
Notice fullsize frame, GI sights, barrel longer than 3.5"

http://www.galleryofguns.com//prod_images/54183.jpg
Compact size
Notice officer frame, GI sights, 3.5" barrel

===

Go get your new pistol, compare to these pictures (and more on various websites, like galleryofguns, other retailers, or ... I don't know ... maybe, Armscor's own website!?!
... and figure out what you have before you attack it again with a dremel or do anything to it at all, for that matter.

bigfatdave
January 28, 2013, 12:31 AM
Why couldnt Ria make a better take down design though ?

You have to use a paperclip to take down the Gun
You can just do it under spring tension, or make a tool and keep it in your cleaning kit. I have a bunch of little copper tools that I made from heavy jewelry wire out of the wife's hobby stuff, I sized them just right for my 3.4" and 4" guns. They take about 5 seconds each to make, with no tool other than the guide-rod out of the RIA recoil assembly as both a measuring device and something to bend the wire with.

The design is simple and reliable, and keeps manufacturing costs down. (savings passed down to you and I, the consumers)

saitek
January 28, 2013, 01:24 AM
hey thatgiantmidget sorry took so long to get back to you but the item model number is 43000 i got them from amazon for $18.69 delivered

highpower
January 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
The take down on a RI compact is typical of the way the two piece recoil systems work on compact 1911's. Once you learn how to do it and practice doing it a couple of times it gets easier.

I have two RI's (well I had two, I gave one to my son for his 21st b-day) and have not had any issues with either. Note that on a 1911 you have to have a firm grip to allow the recoil to cycle the gun properly. If you are having trouble with the grips it could be contributing to cycling issues you were having.

Grips: GI w/walnut diamond grips on top, compact with rubber diamonds on the bottom.
http://highpower.smugmug.com/Firearms/Rock-Island-45/i-8RjWrTp/0/XL/IMG_1582-XL.jpg

ThatGiantMidGet
January 28, 2013, 01:07 PM
hey thatgiantmidget sorry took so long to get back to you but the item model number is 43000 i got them from amazon for $18.69 delivered
Thanks! :D

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