Feinstein bill a "Hughes Amendment" for AR's, AK's,etc.


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AlexanderA
January 26, 2013, 01:14 PM
After reading the text of Feinstein's AWB bill, it appears to me that its effect on the AR, etc., market would be exactly like the effect of the 1986 Hughes Amendment on the machine gun market: stop all new production and drive the prices of existing items through the roof. This is because transfers of grandfathered guns (through FFL's) would be allowed.

It doesn't mention parts, including uppers, barrels, etc. There would be a thriving trade in these, as well as unfinished ("80%") lower receivers. In effect, the Feinstein bill would simply freeze the existing supply of legal lower receivers.

The ban on over-10 magazines would be more absolute, since there's no provision for legal transfers. But since the pre-ban, grandfathered magazines are unmarked, and number in the millions, the enforcement of this would be practically impossible. You couldn't advertise a pre-ban magazine for sale.

No question that this is an atrocious bill. But, in the remote chance that it passes, there are going to be workarounds, as well as winners and losers.

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MAKster
January 26, 2013, 02:22 PM
While Feinstein's bill would prevent the use of the "bullet button" which was a popular work-around in California there is another possible way to get around the pistol grip ban in her bill and still use ARs. No idea if ATF would rule that this is ok but it could possibly work for those who don't want to use something like a Mini-14.
http://www.monstermangrip.com/

Cesiumsponge
January 26, 2013, 02:44 PM
I'm not sure why people call it a "work-around" or call it a loophole or any number of things. It's just compliance with the law, and we release ban-compliant products.

MAKster
January 26, 2013, 03:05 PM
I agree that the phrase gun show loophole is incorrect since the Gun Control Act of 1968 clearly allows for private sales, but you gotta admit that the "tool" used to remove the "fixed" AR magazines is clearly an ingenious way to circumvent the California law.

AlexanderA
January 26, 2013, 03:13 PM
What I was trying to get at was the economic effects on the gun market, and the cascade of "unintended consequences" stemming from this bill.

goldie
January 26, 2013, 03:17 PM
^everyone wants black rifles today, no one is busting down the gun shop doors for winchester 94's,& bolt action 22's. there are going to be alot of gun shops throughout the counrty that wont be able to survive...

ID-shooting
January 26, 2013, 03:31 PM
"It doesn't mention parts, including uppers, barrels, etc. There would be a thriving trade in these, as well as unfinished ("80%") lower receivers. In effect, the Feinstein bill would simply freeze the existing supply of legal lower receivers."

Oh but it does...

"(L) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K) can be assembled."

MAKster
January 26, 2013, 03:36 PM
Alexander - The point I was getting at is that in the unlikely scenerio that such a bill was enacted, new AR design rifles would still be sold. They would be uglier and neutered but I'm sure they would still sell. I doubt existing ARs would start selling for $15,000 like NFA items since there would be plenty of lower priced options like Mini-14, M1As, Kel-tec SU-16, and all the new models with traditional stocks that would be designed post-ban. The huge popularity of ARs is fairly new so I suspect people would just move on to another design.

mrvco
January 26, 2013, 03:48 PM
You'll see a bunch of new AR and AK models that look like M1A's (no pistol grip and no telescoping stock). Basically Diane wants to dictate what furniture you can and can't attach to your rifle.

Jenrick
January 26, 2013, 08:39 PM
In short it'll have the effect on firearms, that mandating no vehicle can be red or have mag wheels would on roadway safety. None.

-Jenrick

gunnutery
January 26, 2013, 08:47 PM
While Feinstein's bill would prevent the use of the "bullet button" which was a popular work-around in California there is another possible way to get around the pistol grip ban in her bill and still use ARs. No idea if ATF would rule that this is ok but it could possibly work for those who don't want to use something like a Mini-14.
http://www.monstermangrip.com/

How about this one as well?
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/FRS-15-California-AR15-Rifle-Stock.jpg
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/12/14/goofy-looking-ar-15-stock-made-for-california/

Cesiumsponge
January 26, 2013, 09:09 PM
That thing is ridiculous. That entire grip/stock assembly is attached by a single grip screw. I don't think it's going to be very durable. The grip screw was never designed to support such a leveraged load.

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