Which glock aftermarket barrel


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area51
January 26, 2013, 02:36 PM
I am sure this subject was beaten to death but I want to purchase a g23 aftermarket barrel. I am looking at Stormlake and LW... Any big differences between them ? I read a lot of guys like LW and others swear by Stormlake...

Stormlake worth the extra 50 bucks ?

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JohnnyK
January 26, 2013, 02:46 PM
I have LW conversion barrel and love it...

silversport
January 26, 2013, 03:02 PM
no problems with my Storm Lake and I would buy from them again...

Bill

meanmrmustard
January 26, 2013, 03:04 PM
Lone Wolf, hands down.

powder
January 26, 2013, 03:14 PM
Storm Lake or KKM or Bar Sto are ALL worth the extra $$.

area51
January 26, 2013, 03:47 PM
From the you tube video I've seen, Stormlake has better barrel support than LW.
The video is for 10mm but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU83fh6XoYA

Hangingrock
January 26, 2013, 03:58 PM
My preference would be KKM for a true drop in followed by Bar-Sto which may or may not require minor fitting. Lone Wolf quality control suffers.

ku4hx
January 26, 2013, 04:06 PM
I've bought eight Lone Wolf barrels and sold one; my experiences have been very positive. The ones I kept (son now has three) are: models 19 (2), 23 (357 Sig & 40 cal), 26, 20 and 30. I sold a model 27 40-9 conversion. I liked it so much I bought a model 26 gun so I didn't need the conversion barrel any longer.

I couldn't be happier.

Dan-O
January 26, 2013, 04:34 PM
Prefer Storm Lake after Lonewolf has recently gotten too liberal with their "case support".

G20 Lonewolf barrel on left purchased 10/2012. G20 Lonewolf barrel on right purchased 2/2009.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww266/yeahitsthatbig/33B207E2-D868-4C38-A414-8D5385A8DA27-15338-000010B97D0829F6.jpg

area51
January 26, 2013, 05:22 PM
Prefer Storm Lake after Lonewolf has recently gotten too liberal with their "case support".

G20 Lonewolf barrel on left purchased 10/2012. G20 Lonewolf barrel on right purchased 2/2009.

wow... quite a bit of difference. I wonder why they are taking a lot more meat off. Any chance you can give measurements on both ? Just curios..

SDGlock23
January 26, 2013, 05:43 PM
For drop in I prefer KKM. They're the best IMHO. BarSto is good, but it's gotta be fitted.

newglockguy
January 26, 2013, 05:47 PM
If you want a cheap barrel go with lone wolf. I have one in my g23 and I didn't even need to buy a 9mm extractor for it

Dan-O
January 26, 2013, 06:04 PM
wow... quite a bit of difference. I wonder why they are taking a lot more meat off. Any chance you can give measurements on both ? Just curios..


No can do. I returned it the day I received it.

The one on the left in my previous post was a recent purchase of a 6" G20 Lonewolf barrel for my Longslide project. Did some research on other forums that are 10mm specific and apparently this is the norm for Lonewolf now...at least in 10mm. They were getting too many barrels returned because people were seating their bullets with too much C.O.L., or using certain large heavy cast bullets. Guess they got fed up with it and overcompensated by breaking down the chamber around the feedramp too much, at least too much for my liking.

It sucks, because I had up until recently been a big fan of Lonewolf barrels as they were a bit cheaper than Storm Lake. I have no idea if they have gotten this liberal with chamber support in all their barrels, or if it is only 10mm specific. Honestly if I was just doing a simple 40-9 conversion I would probably save myself some money and just go with Lonewolf. However, I shoot atomic loads out of my G-20 and G-20 Longslide and I want as much chamber support as possible for safety reasons, and I also want to extend the life of my brass as long as I safely can.

Recently purchased G20 6" Storm Lake support:

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww266/yeahitsthatbig/2588833F-3E09-4A68-8228-25F30C4BA248-337-0000002E5231B53A.jpg
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww266/yeahitsthatbig/863319DA-1AAA-41CA-8C2E-7B1EDA500DDD-337-0000002E5C9D31AE.jpg

bds
January 26, 2013, 06:11 PM
We are discussing 40S&W Glock 23 chamber support, not 10mm G20. I believe Lone Wolf G20 chamber support is different from G23 chamber support.

Below is a comparison picture of Lone Wolf G23 and G27 barrels to the left and factory Gen3 Glock 23 and G27 barrels bought last year to the right. I do want to give Glock credit for increasing the chamber tightness over the years but as you can see from the picture, chamber mouth is still generous. In comparison, Lone Wolf chamber and mouths are tighter and support all the way down to the case base. I also use Lone Wolf and KKM 40-9 conversion barrels and both LW/KKM barrels have been true "drop-in" with no need for any fitting and have run reliably.

They were getting too many barrels returned because people were seating their bullets with too much C.O.L., or using certain large heavy cast bullets.
I shoot various Missouri Bullet Company lead TCFP/SWC bullets (http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=5&secondary=11) (180/170/155/140 weights) sized .401" in my Lone Wolf barrels and I do not have issues with feeding/chambering loaded to 1.125" OAL with .422" taper crimp.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=178473&stc=1&d=1359241877

beatledog7
January 26, 2013, 06:22 PM
I use a Storm Lake .40S&W barrel in my G22. I like it a lot. I just purchased a Lone Wolf .357 Sig barrel designed for the G31, and have not had a chance to even drop it into the pistol yet. I'll get back to you guys on how it works.

area51
January 26, 2013, 11:45 PM
In comparison, Lone Wolf chamber and mouths are tighter and support all the way down to the case base.

BDS, are yours the earlier or later versions of LW as pictured on DAN-O post ?
I like the fit on the right vs the left on DAN_O picture. The ones you have pictured look pretty good as well ;)

wally
January 27, 2013, 02:43 AM
I've been very satisfied with both Storm Lake and Lone Wolf barrels. I went with LW for threaded barrels for my G17L and a G22 9mm conversion because they were cheaper. The Storm Lake threaded barrels for my 9mm 1911 required some fitting but the 9mm conversion for my M&P40 dropped right in.

JEB
January 27, 2013, 02:59 AM
i have no experience with stormlake barrels, but i do have a lone wolf barrel in my glock 22 and have been completely satisfied with it. much better case support than the factory barrel. only thing i dont like about it is the laser engraved wolf head on it. not a big deal though; i like the barrel enough, i just learn to live with it.

TennJed
January 27, 2013, 03:35 AM
I just picked up a lone wolf for my glock 19. I have taken it to the range 1 time and I am very happy with it. No issues an dgreat accuracy

bds
January 27, 2013, 10:15 AM
BDS, are yours the earlier or later versions of LW as pictured on DAN-O post ?
Most of my Lone Wolf 40S&W and 40-9 conversion barrels are a few years old with the G23 40S&W and conversion barrels purchased being the latest end of last year.

As far as I know, I am not aware of Lone Wolf changing the chamber support on their 40S&W barrels.

You can call Lone Wolf customer service to verify before you order:
(208) 448-0600
8:00am-4:00pm Pacific Time Monday-Friday

greenlion
January 27, 2013, 10:34 AM
I have both. Prefer the Storm Lake because it does not have a wolf cartoon on top. Had to send the Wolf barrel back to get the chamber loosened up a bit in order to shoot reloads. It even stuck on some factory rounds it was so tight. Both work fine now.

ku4hx
January 27, 2013, 10:47 AM
... sized .401" in my Lone Wolf barrels and I do not have issues with feeding/chambering loaded to 1.125" OAL with .422" taper crimp.
+1 ... My favorite cast bullet for 10mm/40 cal is the Lee 175 grain TC traditional lube grove. I cast from a six cavity mold, size to .401" and lube with diluted LLA. A final dusting of MotorMica leaves them non tacky.

Loaded to your same OAL and neck diameter my Lone Wolf barrels in both 40 cal and 10mm have been flawless through at least 2,000 rounds each.

AKMtnRunner
January 27, 2013, 07:54 PM
You'll get what you pay for. If looking for a bargin, you'll need luck on your side to get a Lone Wolf barrel at comparable quality to the other companies. Their quality control is not the greatest.

AKMtnRunner
January 27, 2013, 07:56 PM
I have both. Prefer the Storm Lake because it does not have a wolf cartoon on top. Had to send the Wolf barrel back to get the chamber loosened up a bit in order to shoot reloads. It even stuck on some factory rounds it was so tight. Both work fine now.
I had to do the same. Was a headache, but now it's all good.

JC98
January 27, 2013, 11:35 PM
I went storm lake. Had to send it back to have the chamber opened up a bit. Still waiting to get it back but it wasn't chambering factory ammo.

Fencer
January 28, 2013, 01:55 AM
I have a 6" ported Storm Lake for my G20 and am very happy with it. A friend got a LW for his G20. The SL seems to have better support and is very accurate. After having shot both in a type of gun, I would suggest sticking with Storm Lake.

area51
January 28, 2013, 06:42 PM
I went storm lake. Had to send it back to have the chamber opened up a bit. Still waiting to get it back but it wasn't chambering factory ammo.

Guess the really tight chambering is not limited to Lone W...

Hammerdown77
January 29, 2013, 09:47 PM
I've had two Lone Wolf barrels now and have been quite displeased with both of them. The first, a .40 S&W, was a random pattern generator on target. Wouldn't shoot worth a damn with any ammo. Also, the chamber support was no better than my Gen 3 Glock factory barrel. Talked to LW and they said "Yeah, we have an idea what the problem is, probably just needs a few file strokes". Unfortunately, that barrel was in a range bag that was stolen, so I never had a chance to let them fix it. Then I got another one, this time a 40-9 conversion, and it seems to shoot ok for one magazine and then sprays bullets high and right (and I'm right-handed) for the next.

But hey, they're cheap. Next barrel I get will be a Storm Lake.

bds
January 29, 2013, 10:04 PM
the chamber support was no better than my Gen 3 Glock factory barrel.
Really? Below are Lone Wolf G23/G27 40S&W barrels compared to factory Gen3 Glock 23/27 barrels. Due to better support down the case base and chamber tightness, the Lone Wolf spent cases do not bulge like the cases in the picture below shot in Glock barrels. Depending on the generation of Glock 40S&W barrels, cases will bulge in varying amount (also dependent on ammunition/powder/charges).

Do keep in mind that other brand 40S&W pistols will also bulge cases, depending on the looseness of the chamber -

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=178473&stc=1&d=1359241877

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=141060&stc=1&d=1303671977
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=141061&stc=1&d=1303671977


... Lone Wolf barrel, a .40 S&W, was a random pattern generator on target. Wouldn't shoot worth a damn with any ammo ... Then I got another one, this time a 40-9 conversion, and it seems to shoot ok for one magazine and then sprays bullets high and right.
I have several Lone Wolf and KKM barrels for G22/G23/G27 in 40S&W and 9mm conversion and they shoot as accurate as factory barrels or more accurate with jacketed/plated/lead/Moly coated lead bullets. The G22 Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel shoots on par with KKM conversion barrel.


Glock 22 with stock trigger and Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel - Target squares are 1"x1" and shot at 15 yards off hand (all rounds loaded to 1.135" OAL) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=141044&stc=1&d=1303618922
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176916&stc=1&d=1356955206
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=141048&stc=1&d=1303620287

mokin
January 29, 2013, 10:16 PM
I have a Storm Lake barrel for my G29 chambered for .40 S&W. No problems with it so far. I'd buy from them again.

tlen
January 30, 2013, 12:51 AM
No problems with a LWD ported barrel in a G23. Go for it.

Hammerdown77
January 30, 2013, 12:27 PM
I have several Lone Wolf and KKM barrels for G22/G23/G27 in 40S&W and 9mm conversion and they shoot as accurate as factory barrels or more accurate with jacketed/plated/lead/Moly coated lead bullets. The G22 Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel shoots on par with KKM conversion barrel.


Glock 22 with stock trigger and Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel - Target squares are 1"x1" and shot at 15 yards off hand (all rounds loaded to 1.135" OAL) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=141044&stc=1&d=1303618922
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176916&stc=1&d=1356955206
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=141048&stc=1&d=1303620287

Don't know what to tell you. My factory barrel shoots jacketed/plated/cast like a champ. Shoots to point of aim, and half the group size of most of the targets you posted. The 40 LW barrel wouldn't even keep them all on a single sheet of paper at 15 yds. This 40-9 conversion barrel I have now, it will shift the point of impact of the group literally 4-5" right and up from 15 yards. I don't think I could even account for that by adjusting the sights.

Guess I just got the two worst barrels they've manufactured...

JC98
March 1, 2013, 02:46 PM
I went storm lake. Had to send it back to have the chamber opened up a bit. Still waiting to get it back but it wasn't chambering factory ammo.
Well I got my barrel back this week. Have not had a chance to shoot it but I am definitely NOT happy with Storm Lake. They stamped the barrel G23 9MM....problem is my gun is a .40. Their response to me in short was "Sorry, it can be buffed off we use a buffing wheel but I am sure a local gunsmith could easily do it for me."

Not my idea of good customer service. For what it has already cost me to ship back to them once I could have bought a KKM.

I replied to April's message detailing what a poor experience I had and inquired about their return policy. I think I would rather spend my money with a different company.

Sorry for the rant.

TennJed
March 1, 2013, 07:30 PM
Well I got my barrel back this week. Have not had a chance to shoot it but I am definitely NOT happy with Storm Lake. They stamped the barrel G23 9MM....problem is my gun is a .40. Their response to me in short was "Sorry, it can be buffed off we use a buffing wheel but I am sure a local gunsmith could easily do it for me."

Not my idea of good customer service. For what it has already cost me to ship back to them once I could have bought a KKM.

I replied to April's message detailing what a poor experience I had and inquired about their return policy. I think I would rather spend my money with a different company.

Sorry for the rant.

That is really poor service. I have been pleased with my lone wolf

area51
March 2, 2013, 12:12 AM
They stamped the barrel G23 9MM....problem is my gun is a .40. Their response to me in short was "Sorry, it can be buffed off we use a buffing wheel but I am sure a local gunsmith could easily do it for me."

Not my idea of good customer service. For what it has already cost me to ship back to them once I could have bought a KKM.

You should call back and ask to speak with a soup. That's just not acceptable. Ask them to fix the problem and pick up shipping both ways. What's this world coming to ?

Peter M. Eick
March 2, 2013, 11:41 AM
I am a fan of the KKM barrels myself. Mine has worked well.

Black Butte
March 2, 2013, 01:34 PM
Lone Wolf, hands down.

No way! Get a barrel, like KKM Precision, that is made in America without the silly-looking cartoon wolf on it.

C0untZer0
March 2, 2013, 04:35 PM
I was shooting the stock Glock barrel in my 17L for hundreds of rounds, probably 600 or 700 rounds and there was hardly any wear visible on the barrel or the slide.

I purchased a 9" Lonewolf barrel and put 50-rounds through it and it took th finish of the inside top of the slide.

It's not a huge deal - I mean the slide is going to get wear eventually but to wear the finish down that quickly because the barrel hood has a scratchy cartoon wolf engraved in it is annoying.

bds
March 2, 2013, 07:11 PM
That Wolf cartoon scratches the hell out of the slide

I was shooting the stock Glock barrel in my 17L ... I purchased a 9" Lonewolf barrel and put 50-rounds through it and it took th finish of the inside top of the slide
Well, the Glock slide surface is hardened with Tenifer process so it is harder than Lone Wolf barrel stainless steel. All it did was remove the paint finish that's applied over the Tenifer hardening treatment.

I can't speak for using longer than stock barrels but below are Glock 27/23/22 slides and stock length Lone Wolf G27/23/22 40S&W/40-9 conversion barrels after 10s of thousands of rounds shot through them.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=180667&stc=1&d=1362269315

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=180668&stc=1&d=1362269448

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