Is this "our" Massad Ayoob..?


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MedWheeler
January 26, 2013, 08:41 PM
Helicopter crash today in my county.. sounds like everyone is okay. One of the passengers is identified as a 64-year-old Massad Ayoob.
Glad he and the others are doing well.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2013/jan/26/plane-reported-down-in-rural-st-lucie-county/

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Michael45
January 26, 2013, 08:45 PM
The age matches...

:(

Ehtereon11B
January 26, 2013, 08:46 PM
Looks like it. Age is right and there are a couple other forums saying it was the same.

PBR Streetgang
January 26, 2013, 08:46 PM
Hope they all are doing well............

pikid89
January 26, 2013, 08:48 PM
Yeah thats him, Strayer is a friend of my girlfriends family

M-Cameron
January 26, 2013, 08:52 PM
The good thing about helicopter crashes is, baring any serious malfunction, they are usually pretty minor( compared to plane crashes).

Helicopters can Autorotate, dampening the crash

pikid89
January 26, 2013, 08:52 PM
According to Mas on Glocktalk, they were helicopter hog hunting near Okeechobee

TarDevil
January 26, 2013, 09:08 PM
The good thing about helicopter crashes is, baring any serious malfunction, they are usually pretty minor( compared to plane crashes).

Helicopters can Autorotate, dampening the crash

Seeing how this is a gun forum, I'll skip that debate...except to say that statement reminds me of recent ones about ARs.

Just glad Mas and everyone else is ok.

massad ayoob
January 26, 2013, 10:01 PM
Concern appreciated, folks. We're a bit banged up, but all OK.

massad ayoob
January 26, 2013, 10:03 PM
PS: Alas, auto rotation doesn't work terribly well when the aircraft loses power over a forested area, and the rotors hit the treetops. :what: Nose-down landings are not fun.

morcey2
January 26, 2013, 10:06 PM
Glad you're OK.

CheckFire
January 26, 2013, 10:11 PM
Good to hear that, Mas!





" Chuck Norris wears Mas Ayoob pajamas..."

Sergei Mosin
January 26, 2013, 10:19 PM
As they say, a helicopter is just a collection of spare parts flying in close formation.

Glad everybody's OK.

MedWheeler
January 26, 2013, 10:30 PM
Mas, thanks for jumping in and letting us know all's well..

icanthitabarn
January 26, 2013, 10:31 PM
Great news, helicopters can be replaced. I bet you were almost scared for a second.

Fred Fuller
January 26, 2013, 10:36 PM
And I bet you'll be sore in the morning...

Glad to hear it was no worse than it was for you or any of your companions, Mas. And thanks much for checking in.

asia331
January 26, 2013, 10:37 PM
Thank God that you and the others are OK Mas

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 26, 2013, 10:44 PM
Whew, I am glad to hear everyone made it out. As a private pilot, I know the odds of walking away from a crah. I have only had one close shave, but it can change your outlook...quick. Take care and best wishes...

Jackal1
January 26, 2013, 11:02 PM
Creepy stuff can happen in impact accidents. I sure hope Mas is ok like he said he was. My prayers are with him & the others.

I had a car wreck and went to the ER and kept telling everyone I was ok. ER made sure I wasn't dying then released me. My wife ignored me saying I was ok & she took me to some specialists where they said I had a concussion & a couple vertebrate out of line. Between the concussion & vertebrate messing up my nervous system I was half delusional for a month. I thought I was ok but I was so 'out of it' I wasn't even allowed to drive for several weeks.

My prayers are with those in the wreck that they truly are ok with no lingering effects.

Dr_B
January 26, 2013, 11:10 PM
That was nice of him to stop in and tell us he's OK. A+

MRH
January 26, 2013, 11:11 PM
Mas, glad to hear there were no serious injuries to yourself and the others.

Derry 1946
January 26, 2013, 11:12 PM
Glad to hear you are ok.

Derry

bikerdoc
January 26, 2013, 11:14 PM
Glad your OK my friend.

Alaska444
January 26, 2013, 11:20 PM
PS: Alas, auto rotation doesn't work terribly well when the aircraft loses power over a forested area, and the rotors hit the treetops. :what: Nose-down landings are not fun.
Glad all is OK. I took care of an Army Blackhawk pilot who broke several vertebrae in a autorotation practice. Ended her career. Still quite a tough way to touch down. Glad I never experienced that in my 20-25 medical missions on the Blackhawk.

Hardtarget
January 26, 2013, 11:22 PM
Glad to hear from you! Sounds promising...but pay close attention for a few days. Let us hear from you again...soon. Just don't let something sneak up on you.

Mark

GlowinPontiac
January 26, 2013, 11:33 PM
Glad to hear all are ok!

Sent from my C5120 using Tapatalk 2

Yosemite Sam
January 26, 2013, 11:40 PM
Glad you're ok Mas. Best wishes to a strong recovery for all involved.

Dnaltrop
January 27, 2013, 12:06 AM
Any crash you can walk away from...

Hopefully nothing acts up later tomorrow, Take care of yourself!

Sheepdog1968
January 27, 2013, 12:09 AM
Looks like the hogs are fighting back. Glad you are ok.

jp
January 27, 2013, 12:19 AM
ahhhh i think that is any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.... (you guys did walk away didnt you?):what:

bigfatdave
January 27, 2013, 12:31 AM
Thanks for checking in, Mr Ayoob - best wishes for a speedy recovery!

BHP FAN
January 27, 2013, 12:36 AM
Okeechobee is where mrs. BHP Fan and I spent our honeymoon...gators and snakes, oh, my!
Glad you guys got out of there in one piece...

303tom
January 27, 2013, 01:01 AM
Concern appreciated, folks. We're a bit banged up, but all OK.
So your going to live huh...........Glad to hear you all are OK.

Apachedriver
January 27, 2013, 01:23 AM
Glad everyone's ok and hope only some sore muscles result.

I've lost almost as many friends(18) in flight accidents as I have years(21) flying these birds. A successful auto is nothing more than a controlled crash. They're only fun when you know you have the power to recover from them if things go awry. Otherwise, life can get real really fast.

MistWolf
January 27, 2013, 01:36 AM
When a helicopter is auto-rotating, it isn't flying. It isn't generating lift. It is falling out of the sky with the pitch of the blades reversed so they will keep spinning hoping to build enough momentum. At the last moment, the blade pitch is changed, praying to make enough lift to soften the impact enough to keep everyone alive. There is a reason why all auto-rotations must be logged in the aircraft's records

black_powder_Rob
January 27, 2013, 01:36 AM
Happy to hear your okay.

RetiredUSNChief
January 27, 2013, 01:41 AM
Glad to hear you're safe!

Having been in an automobile accident myself, I can painfully say life can start to suck about a day or two afterwards.

I once fell asleep and rear-ended a pickup, doing less than 20 mph. Had my seatbelt on, too. Went to see the corpsman the next day, just because I was in an accident and wanted to play it safe. All I had at the time was a seatbelt buckle bruise on my right hip.

Corpsman verified I was wearing a shoulder strap while he was poking and prodding, especially around the belt and strap areas. "Does this hurt?". When I said "No", he said "Don't worry. It will."

Next day I could hardly breathe, couldn't lift anything above chest height, and thought I had broken ribs...but all it was was deep bruising.

An eye opener to what it COULD have been like!

Again...glad you're safe. Take it easy and give your body plenty of time to take care of itself. Even if you're lucky and not experiencing much pain, there'll still be some physical trauma that will take time to heal.

4v50 Gary
January 27, 2013, 01:45 AM
Glad you came out fine Mas. If you didn't, there'd be a bunch of conspiracy theorists stating your bird was brought down to silence you.

Yosemite Sam
January 27, 2013, 04:10 AM
I want to go on a hunt where the hunters are on the ground and the hogs are the ones flying...

bigfatdave
January 27, 2013, 04:25 AM
trebuchet or catapult?

hueyville
January 27, 2013, 04:47 AM
Very glad all are basically safe but a little bruised and battered. I uses to ride a lot of point A to B missions in a people pod mounted to a sky crane helicopter. It was always comforting to know that in an emergency the sky crane crews were taught to dump their load first.

parsimonious_instead
January 27, 2013, 04:49 AM
The good thing about helicopter crashes is, baring any serious malfunction, they are usually pretty minor( compared to plane crashes).

Helicopters can Autorotate, dampening the crash

I still remember an episode of the show "Airwolf" in which a character describes autorotation as a "secret technique known only to a select few pilots."

230RN
January 27, 2013, 04:54 AM
Thanks for checking in! That worried me.

" Chuck Norris wears Mas Ayoob pajamas..." --CheckFire

LP

(Laughed Profusely.) (Largely in relief.)

Terry, 230RN

Autolycus
January 27, 2013, 04:58 AM
I am glad you are well.

LMLarsen
January 27, 2013, 07:13 AM
Glad to hear you're alright, Mas.

Nasty
January 27, 2013, 08:29 AM
Hogapult?

Like skeet, but with 00 Buck.

CajunBass
January 27, 2013, 08:39 AM
Glad to hear you and everyone else are ok, Mas. Been a fan since I read "In the Gravest Extreme" many moons ago (there is a copy on my desk right now BTW.)

Helicopters don't really fly. They just beat the air into submission. :D

artjs
January 27, 2013, 10:20 AM
I see someone beat me to it... I was going to say that Mas is related to Chuck Norris and nothing can hurt him.

Get well soon guys

gym
January 27, 2013, 10:29 AM
Good to hear you are ok, I worked on those things during Nam, and Understand how easily something can go wrong.
Hope you and yours recover fast.

Tirod
January 27, 2013, 10:41 AM
This will be an interesting chapter on your next book on hog hunting. ;)

"Nap of the Earth Hog Hunting and Potential Countermeasures - What to Prepare for When the Hogs Get Hostile."

Aside from that, was Pat McManus on that flight?

Glad all is well.

Harrod
January 27, 2013, 10:45 AM
The real question is did you get any hogs!?

Seriously though, glad you guys are ok.

danoam
January 27, 2013, 11:29 AM
Glad you're OK Mas. Hope you all recover quickly from your injuries.

Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2

Frank Ettin
January 27, 2013, 11:36 AM
Not a good way to start the day. Glad Mas seems to be okay.

psyopspec
January 27, 2013, 11:43 AM
I'm relieved to hear that you're okay and no worse for wear. Water, ice, and motrin over the next couple days sir.

Logan5
January 27, 2013, 04:36 PM
I expect an awesome ProArms podcast out of this!

Seriously though, glad you're all ok. (Not just saying that because I haven't been to MAG 80 yet!)

skeeziks
January 27, 2013, 04:50 PM
Relieved to hear you're all ok....

Oh....did anyone else notice? Not a single hair out of place. ~ :)

PavePusher
January 27, 2013, 05:03 PM
:eek: Mr Ayoob, so happy you're all O.K.

Can't add much to that other than, as a heli mechanic, I'd be interested in knowing what final determination on cause is found. Airframe looks reasonably intact, so that should be fairly straight-forward task.

By the way, what model bird was it?

Stay safe!

Shanghai McCoy
January 27, 2013, 05:11 PM
Man, check in on a Sunday and see this thread...:uhoh:
Very glad to read that all is well. :)
Oh, and I have always believed that a helicopter is just an optical illusion with sound effects..;)

1hobie
January 27, 2013, 05:45 PM
A helicopter pilot buddy of mine in the Air Force once told me that a helo doesn't fly, it just beats the air into submission.:eek::D

Glad you all are okay.:)

Hobie

paramedic70002
January 27, 2013, 05:47 PM
Thank God you're all OK. As a Paramedic, I keep up on medevac crashes and note that most have no survivors. You're in a pretty exclusive club now.

I suppose this will fuel the fire of conspiracy theories of pro-gun notables dying (2 out of 3 now, Noveske, FPSRussia guy) in mysterious accidents. Somebody please post the NTSB report when it comes out.

jp
January 27, 2013, 06:25 PM
They don't look any the worse for wear. Kongrats to all who were on board for being able to walk away.

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx330/andrsnsm/3e76b2a182fbccb916cd7f40ec74016e.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPcfDlBWELM

picking up the pieces,,,,

jp
January 27, 2013, 06:27 PM
I want to go on a hunt where the hunters are on the ground and the hogs are the ones flying...
yea when pigs fly.....

tekarra
January 27, 2013, 08:06 PM
Glad to hear everyone is safe.

Inebriated
January 27, 2013, 08:25 PM
Glad everyone is alright!

Hk Dan
January 27, 2013, 08:47 PM
Was Gail along too Mas? She okay?

velojym
January 27, 2013, 08:54 PM
I'll take it. Most fixed wing crashes (small craft, anyway) are survivable. Just as helicopters are able to auto-rotate with proper piloting, airplanes tend to be pretty decent gliders. So long as the pilot remembers Rule #1 (fly the airplane), you'll probably get out of it ok, barring a complete airborne disassembly or sudden contact with an immovable object (like a mountain).

Glad ya made it ok, Mas!

9MMare
January 27, 2013, 09:02 PM
If they had any reel skilz, they'd be targeting some of those rogue pythons endangering all the wildlife in the area ;-)

Glad to hear all will be ok. I love that area.

sawdeanz
January 27, 2013, 09:04 PM
Glad to hear you made it out, that was quite a scare

Deltaboy
January 27, 2013, 09:32 PM
Concern appreciated, folks. We're a bit banged up, but all OK.
Praise the Lord!

DougW
January 27, 2013, 09:37 PM
Mass, any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! The Lord was watching over you and your friends.

Lonestar49
January 27, 2013, 09:44 PM
...

Nice landing - one in which anyone can walk away from..

PS: Alas, auto rotation doesn't work terribly well when the aircraft loses power over a forested area, and the rotors hit the treetops. Nose-down landings are not fun.



That takes care of that debate..


Ls

BlackWidow
January 27, 2013, 09:50 PM
Gail didn't go, she know better.

Gail

cyclopsshooter
January 27, 2013, 09:51 PM
The man crashes in a helicopter and still has holster retention.

EBK
January 27, 2013, 10:00 PM
Glad you made it out alright. Hopefully with nothing more than some bumps and bruises.

cvoharley
January 27, 2013, 10:58 PM
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx330/andrsnsm/3e76b2a182fbccb916cd7f40ec74016e.jpg


Glad to see everyone standing around. That looks like a tough situation to get out of.

Fishslayer
January 27, 2013, 11:15 PM
Mr. Ayoob rides in a black helicopter??? :eek:

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx330/andrsnsm/3e76b2a182fbccb916cd7f40ec74016e.jpg

Westfair
January 28, 2013, 10:00 AM
I've read so much of your work over the years Mr. Ayoob and I'm grateful you and your friends survived.

ares338
January 28, 2013, 10:12 AM
Glad you are ok....you need to go buy a lottery ticket!

2nd 41
January 28, 2013, 04:57 PM
Today is first day of the rest of your life. Glad you're ok.

Cosmoline
January 28, 2013, 05:02 PM
It was going to be far worse, but Mas stared at the ground and it backed down.

blarby
January 28, 2013, 05:48 PM
It was going to be far worse, but Mas stared at the ground and it backed down.
__________________

Undoubtedly.

Grass and trees are gonna have to do much better than that !

Glad you are safe, Mas- godspeed and safe returns.

sharkman
January 28, 2013, 07:01 PM
When a helicopter is auto-rotating, it isn't flying. It isn't generating lift. It is falling out of the sky with the pitch of the blades reversed so they will keep spinning hoping to build enough momentum. At the last moment, the blade pitch is changed, praying to make enough lift to soften the impact enough to keep everyone alive. There is a reason why all auto-rotations must be logged in the aircraft's records

No actually, when a helicopter autorotates it is flying and is producing lift, just not as much as in powered flight. If that were not true then it would be uncontrollable. The pitch of the blades is reduced but not reversed. Too little pitch and the rotor will overspend resulting in increased rate of descent. Too much pitch will result in reduced rotor rpm's resulting causing increased rate of descent, and possible loss of control. Done properly you can continue to fly and maneuver a helicopter in an autorotation.

An autorotation has been called a procedure to keep your hands and feet busy while you fall screaming to your death. Obviously not true in this case...Glad all are safe

WardenWolf
January 29, 2013, 09:45 AM
Actually, autororation turns the rotor into an air brake. Its primary purpose is to provide air resistance to decrease the rate of descent.

Glad everyone is okay. That was a nasty crash.

SlamFire1
January 29, 2013, 09:47 AM
Hogs 1, Helicopters 0.

I guess a combination of low altitude and trees cushioned the fall. Darn helicopters are dangerous, in 2010 a five year old girl, sitting on her Dad’s lap, kicked the stick, that caused the helicopter to pitch down. the pilot pulled back on the stick to recover from the dive, and the main blade cut through the tail. They were obviously too high because no one survived. http://www.examiner.com/article/ntsb-determines-5-year-old-caused-helicopter-crash-that-killed-billionaire

If man was meant to fly God would have given him wings…..

c.latrans
January 29, 2013, 10:24 AM
Been there, done that under somewhat different circumstances! 27 years later, I can tell you that you will NEVER forget those few seconds, you will look at every helicopter you ever hear, and you will look at every day a little differently. Happy to see everyone up and moving!

sharkman
January 29, 2013, 10:52 AM
No it does not turn the rotor into an air brake, it's function remains unchanged. Rate of decent will increase until the pilot flares for landing, and increases collective which increases blade pitch which increases lift to cushion the landing. Due to unpowered state it also causes the rotor to slow when collective is increased in the flare so you need to time it right

SSN Vet
January 29, 2013, 11:47 AM
Hope you all get well soon Mas... as taking your class is on my bucket list :)

ClickClickD'oh
January 29, 2013, 12:06 PM
Fess up, who shot the helicopter? And what caliber? :)

Glad you came through it Mr. Ayoob.

sidheshooter
January 29, 2013, 12:08 PM
As an LFI grad, I could have really done without this whole thread, but that pic is awesome.

:evil:

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