ken grant
March 8, 2004, 05:40 PM
Anyone used the Shooting Star mags. with the Devel type follower?
How good are they?
How good are they?
Shooting Star Mags.
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1911Tuner
March 8, 2004, 05:45 PM
Weak springs. If you like a welded base mag, uograde'em with the
Wolff 5% extra-power springs from Brownells. That effectively turns'em
into Powermags..Otherwise, save yourself some headaches and get Powermags. I'll post a part number if ya need it.
Luck!
Tuner
Wolff 5% extra-power springs from Brownells. That effectively turns'em
into Powermags..Otherwise, save yourself some headaches and get Powermags. I'll post a part number if ya need it.
Luck!
Tuner
Black Snowman
March 8, 2004, 06:06 PM
The 10mm 9 round ones for my Delta Elite have been fine since I started seating the bullets to something approching the correct depth :uhoh: and only hickupped occassionally before that. Well made. I'd test them in your gun before investing in the springs if your time is worth less than your money ;)
Depending on your gun it may be fine with the weaker springs or even work better. Ya never know until you try.
Depending on your gun it may be fine with the weaker springs or even work better. Ya never know until you try.
1911Tuner
March 8, 2004, 06:56 PM
Depending on your gun it may be fine with the weaker springs or even work better...
:confused: :scrutiny:
When ya get tired of dealin' with top round nosedives, last round rideover feeds, live rounds poppin' out of the mag, and slidelock failures,call 1-800-741-0015 and talk to the nice lady.
969-714-610 for single springs $7.50 plus shipping
969-714-630 for the 3-pack......$17.30 plus shipping
Luck!
Tuiner
:confused: :scrutiny:
When ya get tired of dealin' with top round nosedives, last round rideover feeds, live rounds poppin' out of the mag, and slidelock failures,call 1-800-741-0015 and talk to the nice lady.
969-714-610 for single springs $7.50 plus shipping
969-714-630 for the 3-pack......$17.30 plus shipping
Luck!
Tuiner
bountyhunter
March 8, 2004, 07:04 PM
I bought some CMC Shooting Stars in .38S (ten round) for my 9mm 1911 and they seem to work fine, even with standard factory 9mm ammo. Some reloaders will load the 9mm long to fit the .38S length.
ken grant
March 9, 2004, 08:34 AM
I just received some 7 & 8 rd. springs from brownells---have not tried them yet.
Also,yesterday I was at a pawn shop and found some Shooting Stars,they were 8 rd. with Devel type follower,that is the reason I asked about them.
They dont have the dimple---does this matter?
I bought them at $7.00 ea. The guy had them at the same price as unknown makes
Also,yesterday I was at a pawn shop and found some Shooting Stars,they were 8 rd. with Devel type follower,that is the reason I asked about them.
They dont have the dimple---does this matter?
I bought them at $7.00 ea. The guy had them at the same price as unknown makes
1911Tuner
March 9, 2004, 09:01 AM
Ken asked:
They dont have the dimple---does this matter?
Howdy Ken,
The dimple is there to stop the last round from riding too far forward under recoil. Some pistols do okay without it...some don't. The stronger springs
will help in any case. The lower the cartridge weight, the less critical the
dimple and the spring strength. Also, the lower the recoil impulse, the
less critical for both. It's all about inertia.
The 7-round wolff springs will work with the Devel follower, but probably won't let you load 8 rounds in the magazine.
I bought them at $7.00 ea.
Good price...New Shooting Stars go for about 15 bucks around here.
Metalform makes'em for McCormick.
They dont have the dimple---does this matter?
Howdy Ken,
The dimple is there to stop the last round from riding too far forward under recoil. Some pistols do okay without it...some don't. The stronger springs
will help in any case. The lower the cartridge weight, the less critical the
dimple and the spring strength. Also, the lower the recoil impulse, the
less critical for both. It's all about inertia.
The 7-round wolff springs will work with the Devel follower, but probably won't let you load 8 rounds in the magazine.
I bought them at $7.00 ea.
Good price...New Shooting Stars go for about 15 bucks around here.
Metalform makes'em for McCormick.
JohnBT
March 9, 2004, 09:37 AM
Speaking of weak springs...All of my stainless Shooting Star mags are from 1999(2 used ones could be older) and have the original springs in them. I figure each of the 4 have around 2500 rounds through them with not one problem. Actually, the one that came with the gun probably has a few more than the 2 I bought used.
Not too long ago I bought 2 47D's and they worked fine the couple of times I tried them until I replaced the slide stop on my Gold Match with the expensive stainless one from Wilson(just because, that's why.) The gun would lock back with the McCormick mags, but not the Wilsons...even after I finished reworking all of the tool marks on the slide stop to make it smooth and decent looking. (I should have sent the POS back, but I'm a sucker for adopting stray projects that require files, diamond hones, ceramic stones and polishing compound.)
Anyway, just for the heck of it I stretched the springs in the Wilsons and lo and behold the slide would lock back each and every time. So I replaced the springs in the new Wilsons with Wolffs and now everything is fine.
Weak indeed.
John
Not too long ago I bought 2 47D's and they worked fine the couple of times I tried them until I replaced the slide stop on my Gold Match with the expensive stainless one from Wilson(just because, that's why.) The gun would lock back with the McCormick mags, but not the Wilsons...even after I finished reworking all of the tool marks on the slide stop to make it smooth and decent looking. (I should have sent the POS back, but I'm a sucker for adopting stray projects that require files, diamond hones, ceramic stones and polishing compound.)
Anyway, just for the heck of it I stretched the springs in the Wilsons and lo and behold the slide would lock back each and every time. So I replaced the springs in the new Wilsons with Wolffs and now everything is fine.
Weak indeed.
John
FPrice
March 9, 2004, 09:39 AM
What IS a Devel follower?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Inquiring minds want to know.
1911Tuner
March 9, 2004, 09:54 AM
Howdy FPrice,
The Devel follower is the one that looks like it was folded over...Split-type.
The Devel magazines of the late 70's early 80s were the first commercially
produced 8-round, flush fit magazines that I remember. Like the Shooting
Stars, the springs could have been stronger, and the reliability of those
magazines was hit and miss. They fed well enough...until the last round,
but slidelock was about a 50/50 proposition. I still have one of those
old magazines, long since converted to a 7-round stick with a Wolff spring.
Most 8-round magazines that use a steel follower are of this type, though
some few still float around with a standard 7-round follower that has been shortened to allow for the extra round...and that's the main bug with this
type of follower. The length of the rear leg doesn't keep the follower as
stable in the magazine as it needs to be, and it tends to nose-dive as the
last 2-3 rounds go on line. Most of the problems occur with the last round,
with the top round in a full magazine in a fairly distant second place.
The Wilson synthetic followers are better, though they're a little undersprung too, or at least they used to be. They don't have a dimple,
but the shape of the top counters the inertial issue somewhat.
Just FWIW..I don't trust 8-round magazines when my life may be at stake,
just like I don't trust the slidelock feature to tell me when to relaod. Too
much "Murphy" opportunity there.
Cheers!
Tuner
The Devel follower is the one that looks like it was folded over...Split-type.
The Devel magazines of the late 70's early 80s were the first commercially
produced 8-round, flush fit magazines that I remember. Like the Shooting
Stars, the springs could have been stronger, and the reliability of those
magazines was hit and miss. They fed well enough...until the last round,
but slidelock was about a 50/50 proposition. I still have one of those
old magazines, long since converted to a 7-round stick with a Wolff spring.
Most 8-round magazines that use a steel follower are of this type, though
some few still float around with a standard 7-round follower that has been shortened to allow for the extra round...and that's the main bug with this
type of follower. The length of the rear leg doesn't keep the follower as
stable in the magazine as it needs to be, and it tends to nose-dive as the
last 2-3 rounds go on line. Most of the problems occur with the last round,
with the top round in a full magazine in a fairly distant second place.
The Wilson synthetic followers are better, though they're a little undersprung too, or at least they used to be. They don't have a dimple,
but the shape of the top counters the inertial issue somewhat.
Just FWIW..I don't trust 8-round magazines when my life may be at stake,
just like I don't trust the slidelock feature to tell me when to relaod. Too
much "Murphy" opportunity there.
Cheers!
Tuner
ken grant
March 9, 2004, 04:06 PM
I have a Colt's combat commander in S.S.----it came with 2 mags that have Shooting Star followers[ devel type] ,but they are Colt factory mags.
A friend bought the pistol new in the box and said the mags. came from Colt with it
A friend bought the pistol new in the box and said the mags. came from Colt with it
ken grant
March 9, 2004, 04:13 PM
TUNER-----I have both 7 & 8 rd. springs from WOLF. Got them from Brownells a couple of days ago and have not tried them yet.
Do you think the 8 rd. springs will let me use 8 rds. with the Shooting Star mags. I bought at the Pawn Shop?
You said that I might not be able to load 8 rds. if I used the 7 rd. mags.
THANKS
KEN
Do you think the 8 rd. springs will let me use 8 rds. with the Shooting Star mags. I bought at the Pawn Shop?
You said that I might not be able to load 8 rds. if I used the 7 rd. mags.
THANKS
KEN
1911Tuner
March 9, 2004, 04:29 PM
Ken said:
I have a Colt's combat commander in S.S.----it came with 2 mags that have Shooting Star followers[ devel type] ,but they are Colt factory mags.
If they've got the prancin' horsie on the bottom, they were supplied by Colt
and made by a vendor FOR Colt...probably Metalform.
And asked:
Do you think the 8 rd. springs will let me use 8 rds. with the Shooting Star mags. I bought at the Pawn Shop?
Yep. The 8-round springs are designed to work with the 8-round followers.
You said that I might not be able to load 8 rds. if I used the 7 rd. mags.
If you use the 7-round FOLLOWERS and the 8-round springs, or if you
use the 7-round SPRINGS with the 8-round followers, you probably won't be able to get 8 rounds in the magazines.
Luck!
Tuner
I have a Colt's combat commander in S.S.----it came with 2 mags that have Shooting Star followers[ devel type] ,but they are Colt factory mags.
If they've got the prancin' horsie on the bottom, they were supplied by Colt
and made by a vendor FOR Colt...probably Metalform.
And asked:
Do you think the 8 rd. springs will let me use 8 rds. with the Shooting Star mags. I bought at the Pawn Shop?
Yep. The 8-round springs are designed to work with the 8-round followers.
You said that I might not be able to load 8 rds. if I used the 7 rd. mags.
If you use the 7-round FOLLOWERS and the 8-round springs, or if you
use the 7-round SPRINGS with the 8-round followers, you probably won't be able to get 8 rounds in the magazines.
Luck!
Tuner
Black Snowman
March 9, 2004, 04:39 PM
:confused: :uhoh:
Yes 'Tuner I know. It's a very strange gun that responds better to lighter magazine springs but I have seen it in cases where the mag spring was grossly over-powered AND the recoil spring very very light. I work with troubleshooting computers every day and so I've gotten in the habbit of not discounting ANY possibility.
The single wierdest thing I've seen was RAM that caused the parallel port on a particular mainboard to not communicate. The same lot RAM in the same mainboard didn't cause any problems. The same RAM in the same lot of mainboard didn't cause any problems. Just that one stick in that one particular board. Technicly it's not even remotely possible but that's what the reality was :)
PS: That's also why I qualified that I had the 10mm since they're likely sprung harder for the standard 23lb recoil spring on the Delta Elites. My DE has the lighter recoil spring and heavier mainspring that I shoot light bullets through and it all seems to come together. . . as long as I watch that OAL.
Yes 'Tuner I know. It's a very strange gun that responds better to lighter magazine springs but I have seen it in cases where the mag spring was grossly over-powered AND the recoil spring very very light. I work with troubleshooting computers every day and so I've gotten in the habbit of not discounting ANY possibility.
The single wierdest thing I've seen was RAM that caused the parallel port on a particular mainboard to not communicate. The same lot RAM in the same mainboard didn't cause any problems. The same RAM in the same lot of mainboard didn't cause any problems. Just that one stick in that one particular board. Technicly it's not even remotely possible but that's what the reality was :)
PS: That's also why I qualified that I had the 10mm since they're likely sprung harder for the standard 23lb recoil spring on the Delta Elites. My DE has the lighter recoil spring and heavier mainspring that I shoot light bullets through and it all seems to come together. . . as long as I watch that OAL.
ken grant
March 9, 2004, 09:57 PM
My mags. have the horse and Colt 45 auto 8-rd
has a c stamped and also an s stamped on the bottom.
They have Shooting star stamped on the follower and they are stainless.
Came with the pistol from Colt
has a c stamped and also an s stamped on the bottom.
They have Shooting star stamped on the follower and they are stainless.
Came with the pistol from Colt
bountyhunter
March 10, 2004, 01:49 PM
The single wierdest thing I've seen was RAM that caused the parallel port on a particular mainboard to not communicate. The same lot RAM in the same mainboard didn't cause any problems. The same RAM in the same lot of mainboard didn't cause any problems. Just that one stick in that one particular board. Technicly it's not even remotely possible but that's what the reality was
It's easily possible and not that unusual considering how most computer hardware is from the Pacific Rim designed for the cheapest cost. The offending RAM could be "loading" the drivers of the CPU tht is screwing up more than it likes causing errors in logic states, while the other CPU has more drive capability. The other possibility is that the drivers are not switching fast enough on one of the CPU's and the design is such that RAM which are nearer to the edge of the distribution for speed don't work reliably.
FYI: here's how CPU boards are designed. Intel develops and specifies a design including hardware specs and power supply specs and sends a board to Korea. They reverse engineer it and strip out all the parts until it just barely works most of the time, and that is what they build. Sometimes Intel gets huffy and threatens not to supply them with processors if they don't use their design, but in reality they know that they have to use the cheap sources for mother boards.
It's easily possible and not that unusual considering how most computer hardware is from the Pacific Rim designed for the cheapest cost. The offending RAM could be "loading" the drivers of the CPU tht is screwing up more than it likes causing errors in logic states, while the other CPU has more drive capability. The other possibility is that the drivers are not switching fast enough on one of the CPU's and the design is such that RAM which are nearer to the edge of the distribution for speed don't work reliably.
FYI: here's how CPU boards are designed. Intel develops and specifies a design including hardware specs and power supply specs and sends a board to Korea. They reverse engineer it and strip out all the parts until it just barely works most of the time, and that is what they build. Sometimes Intel gets huffy and threatens not to supply them with processors if they don't use their design, but in reality they know that they have to use the cheap sources for mother boards.
Sisco
March 10, 2004, 02:45 PM
I have four 8 round CMC Shooting Stars I use in My Kimber, no problems to report.
There have been some warnings over at 1911fourm.com about using them in aluminum framed guns, seems it's possible for the steel follower to damage the frame. Some people have swapped out the CMC followers for Wilsons.
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61318&highlight=cmc+mags
There have been some warnings over at 1911fourm.com about using them in aluminum framed guns, seems it's possible for the steel follower to damage the frame. Some people have swapped out the CMC followers for Wilsons.
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61318&highlight=cmc+mags
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