Am I overreacting?


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willymc
January 26, 2013, 11:31 PM
Hi all. The other night there was a movie coming on T.V. that my wife thought Id like to see. I looked at the cast list and said to my wife, Im not watching anything with that hypocrite in it! He gives tons of money to anti 2A groups. I cant remember the name of the movie or the name of the actor. This has happened before. My wife says that if that is my attitude, my movie choices will be very limited. What do you think? Can you separate the anti 2A actor from the character and enjoy the movie?

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mrvco
January 26, 2013, 11:36 PM
I can, but I'm pretty picky about the movies I'll spend my time watching.

Coop45
January 26, 2013, 11:46 PM
I'm still boycotting Jane Fonda.

ColtPythonElite
January 26, 2013, 11:48 PM
I would say..."yes"

Bayou Redd
January 26, 2013, 11:48 PM
I Can't Completely disagree. I really think that Hollywood is trying to determine who we think are the good actors. Same with comedians. They are trying to tell us who is funny. I hope I am not the only one who notices this.

To answer your question, I can't disreguard their political view entirely and enjoy their acting. They are supposed to be entertainers, so I don't give a rat's @$$ what their worldly views are. Certain movies I won't even give a try for this reason. I don't need Snooki's shopping list so I will know what to buy when I go to Winn Dixie. So what turns you off because of this is warranted. To what extent is totaly personal...

Bang!
January 26, 2013, 11:48 PM
x2 on boycotting Jane Fonda. Forever!

Tommygunn
January 26, 2013, 11:49 PM
A lot of times I have no idea whatsoever what the chief actors in a movie I'm watching think about gun control.
The very few times I care is when they do some dumb-@ss "drive-by" when a microphone is present and say something stupid and antigun.
If OTOH they are willing to engage in an intelligent debate or discussion I will be more tolerant. This seems a bit rare; I don't think many Hollywood types have a great deal of smarts.
I did watch the season of 24 when Janeane Garafolo was in it. She is one of the dumbies. But the show was still pretty good.

22-rimfire
January 26, 2013, 11:51 PM
I developed a dislike for Tom Cruise due to his political beliefs.

JTHunter
January 26, 2013, 11:56 PM
You can add Dick Van Dyke to the list of lib antigunners.:(

Bobson
January 26, 2013, 11:57 PM
I can, but I'm pretty picky about the movies I'll spend my time watching.
Bingo. I can separate people from their views, but there are numerous very talented actors and actresses I'm no longer willing to pay. I'd much rather pay to see a cast full of antis in a legitimately clean, funny movie, than a cast full of 2A supporters who are willing to take roles that make jokes out of unnecessary cursing or blasphemy.

mljdeckard
January 27, 2013, 12:01 AM
I have to be selective, for this reason, but at the same time, if I only watched entertainers whose beliefs perfectly match mine, it would be a pretty short list. I don't hate people for disagreeing with me. I don't hate people for SAYING in interviews that they disagree with me. But when they get involved in going out of their way to harm causes I like, they make the poop list.

Maybe I'm becoming a fogie, but I have a decreasing appetite for movies in particular, I usually fall asleep.

Steel Horse Rider
January 27, 2013, 12:02 AM
I watch less than 1 movie a year in the theater because I refuse to financially support an organization that is actively working against the republican form of government we are supposed to have here. I watch even less television because it interferes with my reading and studying of things historical and mechanical. I occasionally will watch a DVD of a newer movie but my DVD collection is mostly of old WWII movies and westerns although I have several independent movies that are late model. Doing something you don't like or don't care to support is healthy for your mind and attitude, but you should not force your wife to agree. Mine certainly doesn't.....

tarosean
January 27, 2013, 12:18 AM
They are just doing their job their personal beliefs have no effect on the equation IMO. Just as my personal beliefs should not matter to my clients.

JohnKSa
January 27, 2013, 12:20 AM
How does an actor benefit if you watch one of their movies on TV?

pty101
January 27, 2013, 12:25 AM
I do understand where your coming from on this. There are some actors I refuse to watch, but it mainly because I think annoying. There are actors I know are hard-core antis, but as long as they dont try to push their positions I dont really care. I watch them to be entertained, not to be told what to think

bainter1212
January 27, 2013, 12:35 AM
I am a lib in general, however I believe in the Bill of Rights and therefore the RKBA. I can easily separate an actors' personal views from their performance. Some of these actors are phenomenal in the extreme. In fact I find that with artists in general, the more talented they are, the more eccentric they are in their personal lives. Who cares?? A great film and a well acted part are as artistic as the best painting or the most well written song. Who am I to judge someone based on their personal beliefs? Especially when they can contribute so much to our arts.

mljdeckard
January 27, 2013, 12:40 AM
An actor benefits from their TV viewings by reputation and value. If an actor is in a movie that gets points every time FX airs it, it makes them a more valuable box office draw, and therefore worth more money.

chris in va
January 27, 2013, 01:25 AM
Who cares?? A great film and a well acted part are as artistic as the best painting or the most well written song. Who am I to judge someone based on their personal beliefs? Especially when they can contribute so much to our arts

Problem is, they use their venue (movies/TV) to further their 'beliefs'. Have you seen the latest crop of anti-firearm public service announcements featuring various actors? How about Bob Costas getting on national TV during a freakin' FOOTBALL GAME coming down on gun ownership?

Wake up.

JRH6856
January 27, 2013, 08:16 AM
A fish, swimming in clear water can be a beautiful thing to watch. When out of the water, lying on the sand, rotting and stinking, it isn't so pretty. An actor can be like a fish, and when talking about anything but acting, is mostly like a fish out of water.

LNK
January 27, 2013, 08:24 AM
I am with you on this. If I am concious of the fact that they are a despicable jackwagon, I wont go see their movies. Danny Glover comes to mind as just one example. On the other hand, if I am unaware of their political views, I might go see a movie if it looks interesting. Lately, this hasn't happened. I find myself not watching TV or movies. Reading more than anything else. I choose to not support finacially, people who are trying to influence others to take my rights away.

LNK

hso
January 27, 2013, 08:33 AM
Sure you can separate the character and the actor, but if your accountant did a great job keeping your finances in order and the best job possible with your taxes would you dump them because they visibly supported an Anti group? What if it were your doctor?

That's a decision that all of us get to make.

FROGO207
January 27, 2013, 08:48 AM
I rarely spend extra cash to watch mass media drivel at all. I do not bother with movies or cable and such. Free TV to watch the weather report on the local channel, and laugh at the stupid reporters that are pushing their views so blatantly. I have other things that my hard earned cash is used to provide for me. Most anything worth seeing is rebrodcast within the internet so I almost always reside at the computer keyboard to stay connected. Free WI-FI BTW from a local library. As is often quoted I vote with my cash and spend wisely.:scrutiny:

Fremmer
January 27, 2013, 08:59 AM
It depends on the actor. If an actor occasionally voices an opinion, that's one thing, but when they become an anti gun activist and consistently interject politics into everything, I tend to stay away. It depends on how irritating they are.

If you are an actor or musician and you start getting political, you're accountable for your statements, and you may end up driving people away. I watch or listen to entertainment to get away from politics, not to be told what I should think or believe or support.

borrowedtime69
January 27, 2013, 12:20 PM
If it's a movie by one of the uber-leftist hollywood "usefull idiots" I by-pass handing out money to see it and check it out free at our library.

As much as possible i try to hand out a few bucks to see movies done by conserviative or neutral actors/directors/producers.

psyopspec
January 27, 2013, 12:42 PM
Sure. I go to Bruce Springsteen concerts, one of which was in New York where I spent tourism dollars in the city. I'm a huge cinophile and typically see a film once a week at the theater. To me music and film are art forms that I strive to appreciate for both the story and the technical aspects of telling it. The value I see in those mediums reflecting the human experience, are a higher value to me than how the actors vote or what causes they support. In the professional sense I only care if someone is good at their craft. The flip side of that coin is that even if an actor or musician's views resemble my own, I won't rush out to see their film or buy their album if I have no reason to believe it's good. The art matters more to me than the personal life and views of the creator.

But I wouldn't begrudge anyone their own personal choice in the matter.

ApacheCoTodd
January 27, 2013, 12:43 PM
I hold a standard of zero tolerance for these jokers.

I even refuse to give up my few dollars in a theater or allow cable records of viewings in the case of one of them being a mere co-star while appearing with one of my favorite actors or in one of my favored director's films.

In short, I will actively go out of my way to not lend to the careers of these tools even if it means missing out on a favorite.

And here's why:

Whenever one of these clowns spouts off about social stances about which I fervently disagree, I'm fully aware that their voice and opinions are solicited, recorded and rebroadcast solely because of their celebrity and I choose not to contribute in any way - regardless of how small - in the support of the very celebrity being used as a tool against me.

So it goes for me with music, literature, film and television.

People who hold looser standards for the conduct of these weirdos flat wear me out with their sad arguments as to what difference does it make? Just keep supporting them commercially - it is literally like sending your check to The Brady Campaign or any other voice for gun control.

VAgunner
January 27, 2013, 12:48 PM
Sure. I go to Bruce Springsteen concerts, one of which was in New York where I spent tourism dollars in the city. I'm a huge cinophile and typically see a film once a week at the theater. To me music and film are art forms that I strive to appreciate for both the story and the technical aspects of telling it. The value I see in those mediums reflecting the human experience, are a higher value to me than how the actors vote or what causes they support. In the professional sense I only care if someone is good at their craft. The flip side of that coin is that even if an actor or musician's views resemble my own, I won't rush out to see their film or buy their album if I have no reason to believe it's good. The art matters more to me than the personal life and views of the creator.

But I wouldn't begrudge anyone their own personal choice in the matter.

Well stated!!!!

bikerdoc
January 27, 2013, 12:50 PM
I an not Fonda Jane. :)
And yes I do refuse to watch anti actors, and my dentist and MD are not anti's.
I am not a TV or movie person, I take the news with a grain of salt. Books are my leisure and I highly recommend reading as a source of knowledge and entertainment.

cluck
January 27, 2013, 01:11 PM
I would expend my effort on boycotting the hypocrites. Focus on the actors that simultaneously attack firearms rights yet seem to think its ok to take that action "shoot-em-up" role. Or the ones who have armed bodyguards. They feel they have no culpability in a "culture of violence"?

dogrunner
January 27, 2013, 02:06 PM
Sister Jane should've been hung with piano wire and a very short drop!

beatledog7
January 27, 2013, 02:32 PM
You can't get through a day in life without somehow inadvertently supporting or at least failing to openly not support some anti-gun something or somebody.

You might as well boycott anything and everything made using petroleum.

Krogen
January 27, 2013, 02:37 PM
TV? I suppose I'll compromise my position. :barf:

Buy a DVD or a movie ticket with an anti- on the roster that I can ID? NO WAY.

Hokkmike
January 27, 2013, 02:40 PM
My revelation was with Stallone. I liked the Rocky and Rambo films.

He is the worst anti I have read about. He has repeated that authorities should just enter homes and take the guns.

I will not pay money to see his new movie.

But on TV, I don't know. He "uses" gun props and violence to attract movie goers. So, maybe I can "use" him a little and enjoy some stupid mindless escapism and violence in the privacy of my own home.

Your wife is probably right about the limiting of your viewing. I dare say that we do not want to see the whole list of anti Hollywood types.

And a difference is, they are entitled to have their opinions. Heck, I have friends who are antis. But, should they used heir position of fame against us then I really think we need to back away from them.

OpelBlitz
January 27, 2013, 03:35 PM
Didn't know that about Stallone.

I struggle with this topic, and is something I've recently discussed with friends. I'm sort of a cinophile myself. I find myself no longer interested in "Parks and Recreation" (Then again, I am trying to figure out what I liked about it to begin with, having nothing to do with the cast).

I think it varies. Some of these folks are incredible actors, no denying it. Tough question -- I say, no, you're not overreacting.

psyopspec
January 27, 2013, 03:39 PM
I would expend my effort on boycotting the hypocrites. Focus on the actors that simultaneously attack firearms rights yet seem to think its ok to take that action "shoot-em-up" role. Or the ones who have armed bodyguards. They feel they have no culpability in a "culture of violence"?


I don't feel they have any culpability either, given that there is zero scientific correlation between that culture of violence you mentioned and mass murder.

mljdeckard
January 27, 2013, 03:42 PM
There's anti and then there's anti. Most of them are just ignorant, like much of the general population. Guns aren't their thing. They don't know what gun laws already exist, or what kinds of guns are already illegal. Most of them don't want to bother with guns or laws at all.

Some of them do go out of their way to make trouble. Richard Belzer was rumored to be hanging out at political events, alluding that lawmakers who refuse to support renewing the '94 AWB would be mentioned on 'his' show. I haven't watched 'his' show, SVU since then.

SFsc616171
January 27, 2013, 04:30 PM
I once heard a cleric explain, that if you give your money to someone, what they do with it, has your blessing.
That TREASONOUS (w)itch Hanoi Jane Fonda gets none of mine, nor time spent watching on cable.
For movies, I do watch a lot of Film Noir and Westerns, and Cold War movies. My choices in books receive the same scrutiny.

Overreacting? FRED, No!

ApacheCoTodd
January 27, 2013, 10:27 PM
I think there's also an important distinction between coincidentally finding out that a celebritool which you financially support has an opposing view on a subject (everyone has a right to an opinion) and another celebrity using their status (garnered through our patronage) to aggressively advance an opposing view.

I couldn't care less if a fame-monger disagrees with me but if he or she uses that same fame in an exaggerated voice to push an agenda - then there's an issue.

Another way to look at it is if one of them votes opposite of me - so be it. If one of them campaigns against me and mine and uses the weight of their fame to support one of their weirdos... game on - that's a whole different issue.

Or... "Shut up and sing!"

HorseSoldier
January 28, 2013, 03:56 AM
I don't really care what actors say or think outside of their screen roles because their only inherent utility and relevance is their ability to recite memorized lines convincingly. That, in and of itself, does not make an actor or a parrot intellectually significant or guarantee them a seat at the grown ups table when it's time to talk about important things.

w9trb
January 28, 2013, 05:34 AM
I will never forget what Jane did and I'm stilled a little ticked at Ono. I guess that makes me cold and unforgiving, sniff sniff. I went this past summer to Washington, D.C. I walked through all the various memorials for seven days. It was good to see that others there were just as affected as myself. The Korean War memorial struck me even more than "The Wall." I watch movies so rarely, but when I do, I go for pure escapism. I and millions of others served so that freedom of expression is possible in our country. Personal views by Actors are part of the cost of meeting the ideal of the First Amendment.

psyopspec
January 28, 2013, 09:18 AM
I will never forget what Jane did and I'm stilled a little ticked at Ono. I guess that makes me cold and unforgiving, sniff sniff. I went this past summer to Washington, D.C. I walked through all the various memorials for seven days. It was good to see that others there were just as affected as myself. The Korean War memorial struck me even more than "The Wall." I watch movies so rarely, but when I do, I go for pure escapism. I and millions of others served so that freedom of expression is possible in our country. Personal views by Actors are part of the cost of meeting the ideal of the First Amendment.

Awesome post. Thank you for your service. I hope you made it Arlington National Cemetery for a visit while you were in the District. While granite and marble can be impressive, no memorial can convey the cost in the way that the cemetery does.

mcdonl
January 28, 2013, 09:36 AM
It depends... I will not PAY to go see a movie in the theaters or buy any materials supporting the movie/song/sports cast...

Like Sunday Night Football with Bob Costas... I will never watch it again. I do tune in though to ESPN radio instead, and I will watch other sports cast on that network.

I will watch a movie on cable or netflix as there is nothing I can do about the royalty fees, etc...

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