Hunting with an semi-auto AK-47


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whm1974
January 27, 2013, 03:25 PM
Ok some years ago I use to into agruments how semi-auto AKs were useless because you can't
"hunt with one", Saiga rifles notwithstanding.

So what makes an AK less suitable to hunt with compaired to let's say a Mini-30?

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mljdeckard
January 27, 2013, 03:45 PM
Not. A. Thing.

Great for hogs.

whm1974
January 27, 2013, 03:50 PM
Not counting the Saiga rifles how many people hunt with an AK?

hq
January 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
I hunt occasionally with a FEG side folder and a Sako M92S, regularly with a (thumbhole stock, non-'sporterized', if that matters) Saiga .308. Nothing unusual about that.

Sam1911
January 27, 2013, 04:48 PM
Not counting the Saiga rifles how many people hunt with an AK?I have no idea how you'd begin to compile that information. Somewhere between thousands and millions, but accurately narrowing it down would be tough.

Some states arbitrarily restrict semi-autos from hunting, so there's a whole state's worth of hunters who don't use AKs due to no fault of the gun. Some have magazine capacity limits for hunting which make using an AK slightly inconvenient (unless someone wants to track down 5-rd. mags).

Then there are many parts of the world where the Kalashnikov is by far the most prevalent weapon so that's what everyone uses for hunting -- which would greatly skew any question of whether that gun was the most appropriate choice.

Here's an article on AKs in hunting from Grand View Outdoors: http://arshunt.com/Coyote2012/Coyote2012/15/0#&pageSet=15&page=0

mljdeckard
January 27, 2013, 05:41 PM
I don't have an AK, but I have an SKS I have done a lot of work on, I would gladly use it for hunting, especially for events like thick brush and river bottoms. If I had to loan a rifle to a friend for deer hunting, I would let them have it with no reservations.

whm1974
January 27, 2013, 05:57 PM
I hunt occasionally with a FEG side folder and a Sako M92S, regularly with a (thumbhole stock, non-'sporterized', if that matters) Saiga .308. Nothing unusual about that.

Have any other hunters given you crap about what you are using?

hq
January 27, 2013, 06:12 PM
Have any other hunters given you crap about what you are using?

Rarely. When they do, I point out that their bolt action guns are just as 'military' as the AK, the only difference being 40 or 50 years. If they still can't see what's wrong in their attitude, I politely ask them if the timespan between different designs give them a privilege of hypocrisy. Last line of verbal 'defense' is a concise lecture of the military design history of various bolt action types, especially Mauser action favored by many old school purist hunters.

Most hunters are smart enough to understand the difference between fact and fiction, and even many of those who aren't, tend to keep their opinions to themselves.

whm1974
January 27, 2013, 07:10 PM
What burns me is that quite a few people I haved argurge with about this have Mini-14/Mini-30 rifles. And they tell that the AK is "no good" and it was "designed to kill people".

mljdeckard
January 28, 2013, 01:36 AM
Yep. I love to point out to people that not only is my 1917 Enfield an actual rifle designed and manufactured with the intent of killing people. It's high-powered, long range, and it is even extended capacity, because the mag well was made for .303, but rimless 30-06 fits one more in. why should I hunt with such a generator of carnage?

JERRY
January 28, 2013, 01:38 AM
my sks and ak 47 are my favorite hog guns.

whm1974
January 28, 2013, 09:49 AM
So a AK style rifle in 7.62x39 is great for hunting deer and hogs then.

Sam1911
January 28, 2013, 10:24 AM
Yes! Roughly equivalent to a lightly loaded .30-30 in a lever-action rifle. Hmmm...carbine sized fast-action repeater firing an intermediate .30 caliber cartridge...sounds like a winning combination for most game American hunters shoot at.

MCgunner
January 28, 2013, 10:28 AM
I don't like the AKs, but not for the caliber. The ergos on most EBRs, AK included, SUCK. Getting to the safety is an all day job. Can't carry the gun at the balance point one handed. With any sort of long magazine, shooting prone can be a challenge, not that I shoot prone much, just sayin'. And, the things weigh a ton.

I much prefer the SKS for old eastern block milsurps. I mean, I REALLY prefer my Remingtons and my Savage, but as milsurps go, the SKS tends to be a bit more accurate than most AKs. I've seen AKs that couldn't shoot 6MOA. I've yet to see an SKS that couldn't shoot 3 MOA and mine shoot about 2.5 MOA with 154 Wolf. The safety on the SKS is right there by the trigger, easy to get to quick and can be disengaged very quietly when that's needed. I have ambi safeties on mine as I shoot left handed. On my hunting SKS (I have a 16" carbine that I tacticooled), I have a 5 round mag so that I can get my hand around the gun at the balance point. I have a Choate camo stock on it to give it a bit more LOP. I cut the silly bayonet lug off it as it seemed to want to grab every piece of brush when I was still hunting heavy brush. The sight, like on the AK, sticks up, too, but it was always the bayonet lug that was making noise for me. Mine are Norincos and the stocks were SHORT. One can sporterize OR tacticool the SKS with the aftermarket and I think the rifle turns out a lot more suitable in sporter form for hunting than it does in tacticool mode for assaulting the beach at Normandy, but the tacticooled one was a just for fun project, folding stock, 20 round chi com mag. One thing, too, the SKS has a crappy trigger, but my rifle came with a crisp trigger which, on Norincos, I found when I was ordering a lot of these things about 1 in 10 had a decent trigger, the rest were creepy to the max.

Yeah, you can hunt with an AK. The caliber, if 7.62x39 is certainly more acceptable than the .22 calibers, but I don't consider the AK all that desirable for the application. All in all, when I go hunting with a rifle, I normally get serious and take a real hunting rifle. This season I was stuck in my travel trailer waiting to close on the house and all my stuff was in storage except my SKS/ammo and my .357 lever carbine. I hunted with both, but took a 9 point with the SKS. In 20 years, it's only the second deer I've shot with an SKS. When I bought 'em, it was mostly due to the price. At 75 bucks for the rifle and 115 for the carbine, I HAD to have 'em to play with. The rifle is usually just my knock around truck gun, but it can do the job, so can the AK if you just HAVE to use one. :D

Kachok
January 28, 2013, 04:13 PM
No doubt about it the AK platform is accurate enough for hunting within slug gun range, and the 7.62x39 is capable of taking deer class game without any issue, so there is nothing wrong with it. But the AK will never top my bolt guns for hunting, with my any one of my bolt actions I can reach out and touch them past 400yds if I need to, with an AK I would be lucky to hit the hill they were standing on at that range, and if I did luck up and did actually hit my target the 123gr 7.62x39 only retains the punch of a 9mm at that range and is well below expansion speeds.
An AK is also considerably bulkier and heavier then any of my bolties which is simply unnecessary to say the least.
The Russian Communist government had little concern for ergonomics and it shows in their firearms (see Mosin-Nagant) Russians are good at three things crude, awkward and highly effective the AK is all of the above.
Only "advantage" the AK has is semi auto fire and 30 round mags (which are not legal for hunting in many states) and the semi auto advantage is questionable as well seeing as some of us have hunted for many years and never needed a running followup shot. I could make a case for it for hog extermination though.
So IMHO AKs won't be replacing current hunting rifles anytime soon, but they certainly are up to the task for most of us, heck I might try it myself once just for kicks.

ClickClickD'oh
January 28, 2013, 04:26 PM
AK and SKS rifles are very common for brush hunting around here.

...and why aren't we counting Saigas?

mbt2001
January 28, 2013, 07:04 PM
AK's are fine hunting weapons. The 7.62x39 is a lot like the 30-30, so they can be used for the same range of game that the 30-30 can. The range is a bit extended in favor of the AK, because of bullet construction, but the rifles are not quite as accurate, being semi-auto and with the bore axis issue discussed below, limiting the range back down to about the 100 yard mark that is traditional with the Winchester 30-30.

I believe that when fired level, the stock relative to the bore axis means the bullet hits the ground at 150 yards, making it a "safer" gun to use in many respects than some of the traditional deer rifles. Just food for thought.

...and why aren't we counting Saigas?

No idea... They are the same action and same caliber, effectively the same gun, certainly Fienstien thinks so.

whm1974
January 28, 2013, 09:16 PM
Quote:
...and why aren't we counting Saigas?

No idea... They are the same action and same caliber, effectively the same gun, certainly Fienstien thinks so.

The Saigas looks like a tradital hunting rifle. The "hunters" I mention probley wouldn't make a big fuss over someone hunting with it.

ClickClickD'oh
January 28, 2013, 10:51 PM
The Saigas looks like a tradital hunting rifle.

Huh... My Saiga .308 looks real AKish... and I hunt with it all the time.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r100/mdorbust/collection/12.jpg

whm1974
January 28, 2013, 11:50 PM
Huh... My Saiga .308 looks real AKish... and I hunt with it all the time.

I was reffering to the ones that haven't been converted back into an "AK".

caribou
January 30, 2013, 01:02 AM
My first Caribou and my oldest daughters first caribou were both with the same Chinese .223 Type86S AK look alike.

Neither Caribou knew that they would die any differently than if shot by a different rifle in the same caliber ~~LOL!!~~

dacavasi
January 30, 2013, 01:09 AM
Just curious which ammo you guys who hunt with SKS and AKs are using. Mine don't seem to like the 154g soft point stuff at all. They feed the FMJ fine but I'm not one to use that for shooting game.

hq
January 30, 2013, 08:06 AM
Either handloads (Barnes Triple Shock X, Hornady Interlock) or modified FMJ:s nowadays. Handloads for edible, medium-sized game and FMJ:s with about 1/8th of an inch ground away from the tip for varmints. Sometimes Wolf 123gr JHP, but it's fairly difficult to come by.

jmorris
January 30, 2013, 10:28 AM
What burns me is that quite a few people I haved argurge with about this have Mini-14/Mini-30 rifles. And they tell that the AK is "no good" and it was "designed to kill people".

You know there are a lot of things that correlate between you and the people you hang out with, you need new friends.

mbt2001
January 30, 2013, 11:29 AM
What burns me is that quite a few people I haved argurge with about this have Mini-14/Mini-30 rifles. And they tell that the AK is "no good" and it was "designed to kill people".

The mini 14... Isn't it based on the M14 action? I mean isn't it in fact a scaled down M14 and wasn't that designed to "kill people" too? Personally, I do not care what someone else's opinions are. The AK is not a brand, it is a design and that design has been put together by good manufacturers and slammed together by not so good ones. So to dog the AK as being any one thing in particular is to paint with a wide brush.

I use what I have, what I can afford, what I like, and what is appropriate for the setting. I have used 9mm carbine and other pistol caliber carbines before and have had to live with people's strange opinions... Interesting that few camp debates occur over why someone would use a 300 winchester mag / 7mm mag / or 338 winchester to hunt hill country white tail deer.

303tom
January 30, 2013, 01:28 PM
Ok some years ago I use to into agruments how semi-auto AKs were useless because you can't
"hunt with one", Saiga rifles notwithstanding.

So what makes an AK less suitable to hunt with compaired to let's say a Mini-30?
Hell I don`t know, I use a MAS 49/56, just a quicker follow-up shots if needed.

brnmw
January 30, 2013, 03:57 PM
Not. A. Thing.

Great for hogs.


Absolutely correct not a thing wrong.

Deer… Hog worst case scenario you shoot them with at most two 154 gr. shots they usually go down with a good clean shot after the 1st. The only thing not really needed on the rifle is the 30 round clip… that is just for fun plinking around.

MCgunner
January 30, 2013, 07:21 PM
I think my Hakim (10 rounds 8x57 mauser semi auto) is a better hog gun. It's like 14 lbs, though, even more of a pig than the AK. Never hunted with it. Would be kinda like hunting with a BAR. :D

MCgunner
January 30, 2013, 07:27 PM
Just curious which ammo you guys who hunt with SKS and AKs are using. Mine don't seem to like the 154g soft point stuff at all. They feed the FMJ fine but I'm not one to use that for shooting game.

I've only killed two deer with my SKS, both with 135 Sierra Pro Hunter handloads (bullets now discontinued). 154 wolf works fantastic in my SKS, though, 2.5" accurate at 100 yards, and shoots to POA of the FMJ stuff. I have to raise the sight to 300 yards for my handload. I've shot a couple of hogs with the 154 and have no complaints. It's my go to when I can order it. Right now, everyone's out.....of course. :rolleyes:

dacavasi
January 30, 2013, 11:48 PM
Re: 154 soft points. Neither of my Yugo SKS will feed them (one has the standard top-load captive mag, the other uses the Tapco mags). Same with the Yugo AKs. One shot and then a jam. Usually the jammed round comes out with the soft point damaged. The reloads sound promising, I'll need to consider picking up a set of dies in the future. Both my SKS will shoot about 2-2.5 MOA with the 123gr Wolf FMJ.

Don357
January 31, 2013, 12:56 AM
Here we go with apples and oranges. Absolutely nothing wrong with using an AK for hunting. I don't have an AK, but I have used a CETME for deer hunting, that is until I traded it for guess what, .... an AK on steroids, a PSL. Now I occasionally break out the PSL for deer hunting along with my M48 Yugo Mauser. I used to LOVE the looks I got when I pulled my CETME out of the truck at the hunting camp.LOL Some looked like this...:what:, and some were like this...:uhoh:... and some were like this...:scrutiny:. But I knew what I was doing, I was using a .308 rifle.

whm1974
January 31, 2013, 01:04 PM
You know there are a lot of things that correlate between you and the people you hang out with, you need new friends.

We can't always choose who we work with. Some of us also have more then one hobby.

Interesting that few camp debates occur over why someone would use a 300 winchester mag / 7mm mag / or 338 winchester to hunt hill country white tail deer.

I'm no hunter, but isn't those cartridges overkill for deer?

Deer_Freak
January 31, 2013, 06:53 PM
I don't really care for the 7.62 x 39 but if other folks want to use it why that is there business. Just like they don't care to hunt with a 30/06 but I really like the 30/06. The 30/06 was adopted by the military at one point. They both should be fine guns for any critter a fellow might want to hunt around here in NC. If someone was to try one of them there home invasions around here I might have to shoot some holes in him with whatever I can get a hold to, even a 7.62x 39.

MCgunner
January 31, 2013, 08:25 PM
I'm no hunter, but isn't those cartridges overkill for deer?

I THINK that was his point, not sure. Anyway, I find 7 mag a GREAT deer killer, especially at extended ranges like in west Texas and New Mexico where I've taken some deer pretty far out there.

Is there really any such thing as "overkill"? Dead is dead, use the right bullet and you won't even damage that much meat at SHORT range. :D

That said, I don't use the big 7 in the woods. I have a .257 Roberts and a .308 which are fantastic rounds for deer and I love the guns they're chambered in. And, this year's 9 point with the SKS went down fast at 30 yards. It's just a .30-30 semi auto. :D

jmorris
February 1, 2013, 11:27 PM
We can't always choose who we work with. Some of us also have more then one hobby.!

Agreed, so talk cars to your lib friends, bolt guns to "old school" gun guy's etc. No need to debate, I save that for range time. There are many that I have changed their views without ever saying anything more than "you want to try it?"

Suppressors and guns without wood being at the top of the list.

RangerHAAF
February 9, 2013, 10:53 AM
I love to hear anti-gunners claim that AKs can't be used for hunting. They've never hunted so they presume to try to tell others what can't be done with something they've never used but fortunately nobody pays attention to them, they don't really add anything to the argument except their hysterics, their polls and their "moral outrage".

They don't protest or rally over one time; Even now they're hanging their anti-gun hopes on Gabrielle Giffords and her husband. They're gonna give her millions of dollars to fight the gun control battle for them in Washington because they're too chicken<deleted> and lazy to get out front and do it themselves.

jaysouth
February 17, 2013, 12:32 PM
I have a friend of longstanding who is the poster child for 'country boy'. He fills every tag allowed by his state with an AK. He uses Federal Eagle full metal jackets with the tip cut off by hand. Where he hunts, 20 yards is a loooong range.

He is restricted to a five round mag. He cut off the spring of a 30 rounder and inserted a piece of wood in the mag to restrict it to 5 rounds. Took the game warden a couple of years to get used to this. If you look up red headed redneck in the American Heritage dictionary, his picture illustrates the definition. I do believe that's what the personalized tag on the front of his jeep says.LOL

I have heard, does anyone know, of states where the 7.62X39 is not allowed for lack of range and energy. I did hear it on the internet, must be true.

RangerHAAF
February 17, 2013, 02:01 PM
In GA and AL it's not an issue unless one is hunting on public lands. I believe Tapco sells 5 & 10 round magazines for a reasonable price.
http://tapco.com/products/ak/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=19

Sav .250
February 18, 2013, 09:06 AM
I guess I`m some what different in that I still use a basic bolt/lever rifle to hunt with.
Can`t wrap my head around using something like an AK-47 to hunt with.
What other folks use is there business.

RangerHAAF
February 18, 2013, 10:20 AM
I use a lever action, bolt action and a falling block Ruger #1 to hunt with in addition to my AK-47. I don't mind listening to a person's preferences and beliefs but I will not have those beliefs imposed upon me because someone does not think that a particular rifle is not what they would personally use to hunt with.

Anti-gunners go around excoriating AKs & AR-15s by writing and saying they can't be used for hunting and I would bet 99% of them have never been hunting nor do they know anything about the 7.62x39 bullet's ballistics. So when they've educated themselves about such things they should come back and talk with some credibility.

MCgunner
February 19, 2013, 10:57 AM
Only thing I don't like about AKs and ARs for hunting is the ergos. If you don't mind carrying the over weight thing (in the case of the AK) with two hands all the time, having a mag in the way when trying to shoot prone or rest over something, or keeping it on a sling and reaching up on the side of the gun to flick off the safety with a loud CLICK and putting up with a crappy trigger, hey, they'll shoot. ARs in particular are capable of sub MOA. I'd want one of the gas guns in .308 if I hunted with one, not .223, but it can be done. I'd have to have a left handed one, too. AKs are just so crude, crappy triggers, crappy accuracy, crappy ergos, I'll just stick with my Remchesters, ain't broke, why fix 'em? They have nice, crisp 3 lb triggers and sub MOA accuracy and no one argues the power of a .257 Roberts or a .308 or a 7 mag. Kinda got black powder in my veins, too. :D If I wanna use the 7.62x39, the SKS has much more compatible ergos for me.

Fryerpower
February 19, 2013, 11:08 AM
Is there really any such thing as "overkill"?

"Overkill is underrated!"
-J.H. Smith

Jim

Carl N. Brown
February 19, 2013, 11:11 AM
No size magazine limit on varmint hunting, and if my uncles property had a feral hog problem, I would have no qualms about using my Yugo AK variant to help out. I do have a five shot mag for it, and a few boxes of 154gr SP ammo that seems to work.

I use my Yugo M70AB2 in modern military matches at the local rod and gun club. Collection as a historical curio has been recognized by court rulings and AG opinions as a lawful ownership/use of guns in Tennessee, though, and "it's for hunting" is OK too, but not mandatory.

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