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sweet betsys ike
January 27, 2013, 05:03 PM
Hi everyone. My case tumbler motor went bad, it's out of a Frankford Arsenal. I'm looking to replace the motor if I can find one at the right price. The motor has a sticker that reads YJF61/26 120 volt E169323 W&W Motor Co. LTD . Anyone know where to get a replacement . thanks Ike

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tightgroup tiger
January 27, 2013, 05:23 PM
Call Frankford Arsonal to see if they can get a replacement or just type in the part number for the motor (the E-number) in a web browser and the W&W sites will come up.

I would expect you will pay as much for the motor as the tumbler cost new.

But you won't know until you call for a price.

Walkalong
January 27, 2013, 05:25 PM
Grainger should have a motor that will fit. Local A/C supply houses have a small selection as well.

But heck, maybe they will warranty it. :)

evan price
January 28, 2013, 07:40 AM
I think I just posted this in another post exactly the same as this one???

Frankford uses the cheapest crappy motors. Great for use once a month or so. Not for heavy duty use. No bearings to speak of, they often wear right through the zinc end plates. Cost of a replacement will be more than buying another tumbler. I looked for a long time. There aren't any to be found at a good price point.

A Broan bathroom fan motor kit from Home Depot is about $15, and it can be made to work. It won't be a strong a vibration anymore, but it works great for cleaning resizing lube from rifle cases, without dinging up the case mouths I just deburred and chamfered.

Lloyd Smale
January 28, 2013, 08:34 AM
check it close. I thought my FA tumbler died last year and replaced it. It had many many hours on it and never thought to look close. My son in law wanted it to try to find a motor for. He brought it back a couple hours later working. All it was was one of the spade conectors had the wire break off inside of it. Probablly from being worked by all the vibration over time. He crimped on a new spade and it was as good as new and is still working for him. Hat to see you waste money on stupidty like i did.

45lcshooter
January 28, 2013, 10:48 AM
i burned up my RCBS one, i went to the gun shop, and got a Lyman because it was cheap. i took the RCBS one apart and the motor was just junked up, cleaned it up, and works decent now. so now im running 2 tumblers.

for 50 bucks you can get a lyman, probably just cheaper to get a new one.

bds
January 28, 2013, 11:05 AM
For $49, you can buy a Berry's tumbler all made in USA except for a heavy duty motor (just because they don't make consumer level motors in USA) - http://www.eabco.com/store/reloading-supplies/berrys-model-400-tumbler-cleans-polishes-brass-cases/

I have both old and new MidwayUSA FA tumblers and Cabela's (Berry's 400) tumbler and Berry's tumbler will clean/polish almost twice as much brass in less time and is quieter with longer cord that comes with an on/off switch. Capacity - 1,000 9mm brass, 600 45 ACP, 450 .223, 250 30-06.

The motor in Berry's tumbler is substantially larger and fan cooled. I have even tumbled 3 sets of Lee dies in Berry's tumbler for several hours with no issues - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=586563

Reloadron
January 28, 2013, 12:56 PM
Grainger should have a motor that will fit. Local A/C supply houses have a small selection as well.

But heck, maybe they will warranty it. :)
Yepper, if you want to replace the motor start with Grainger Supply, you are looking at a C Face shaded pole motor that will meet your dimensions. (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=shaded+pole+motors&op=search&Ntt=shaded+pole+motors&N=0&GlobalSearch=true&sst=subset) You can decide if it is worth it. Most vibratory tumblers use this type motor made by a variety of manufacturers.

Personally, I would just get a new tumbler.

Ron

ranger335v
January 28, 2013, 01:15 PM
If you buy a new tumber get a Berry's, Cabela's or Lyman; they all have ball bearing motors. Last I knew, all of the others have bronze bushing motors which will seize when the oil drys into a sticky goo.

res7s
January 28, 2013, 03:44 PM
Call RCBS and buy their motor. Last time I checked it was under $20.00.

bergmen
January 28, 2013, 08:20 PM
check it close. I thought my FA tumbler died last year and replaced it. It had many many hours on it and never thought to look close. My son in law wanted it to try to find a motor for. He brought it back a couple hours later working. All it was was one of the spade conectors had the wire break off inside of it. Probablly from being worked by all the vibration over time. He crimped on a new spade and it was as good as new and is still working for him. Hat to see you waste money on stupidty like i did.

That's exactly what happened to mine (broken wire). I had to peel the onion to eventually find it but I did, fixed it and it is back rockin' and rollin'.

Dan

orionengnr
January 28, 2013, 11:00 PM
I thought my FA tumbler died last year and replaced it. It had many many hours on it and never thought to look close. My son in law wanted it to try to find a motor for. He brought it back a couple hours later working. All it was was one of the spade conectors had the wire break off inside of it. Probablly from being worked by all the vibration over time. He crimped on a new spade and it was as good as new and is still working for him.
Mine arrived in the box with that problem. Took all of five minutes to fix, but the motor didn't last long.
Frankford replaced it free under warranty, but I gave it to a friend who seldom loads, and bought the Cabela's model 400 (made by Lyman?).

savanahsdad
January 29, 2013, 03:11 AM
I got a Lyman 2500 Pro mag. 10 or 11 years back, most of time I clean my brass I do it at night ,load it up, plug it in , go to bed , and dump it the next morning, could not even think of the hours it has on it !

my father inlaw has a even bigger Dillon I think he got his back in 1979 , I know my wife said when she was still in High School he would run it all night too. , so if my Lyman ever dies I think it woud be a safe bet to get another one,
I can't beleave any of them don't have bearings or cooling fans ! but thanks for the post , and sorry for your bad luck

Sidewinder72
January 29, 2013, 08:21 AM
I have a Berrys, and use alot. It is about 20 years old with no problems. I would buy another if craps out. Well worth the money and you can see what your brass is doing.

avan47
May 4, 2013, 05:36 PM
I found a vendor. Haven't got a price yet, minimum order is 1000 units. Probably will have to pay shipping from China too. All we need is 998 other guys who also need a replacement, and we are good to go. Bottom line: I will probably buy another tumbler, and it will not be FA. PS: mine lasted 15 months, 5 months past the warranty.

ljnowell
May 4, 2013, 06:03 PM
I think I just posted this in another post exactly the same as this one???

Frankford uses the cheapest crappy motors. Great for use once a month or so. Not for heavy duty use. No bearings to speak of, they often wear right through the zinc end plates. Cost of a replacement will be more than buying another tumbler. I looked for a long time. There aren't any to be found at a good price point.

A Broan bathroom fan motor kit from Home Depot is about $15, and it can be made to work. It won't be a strong a vibration anymore, but it works great for cleaning resizing lube from rifle cases, without dinging up the case mouths I just deburred and chamfer

Weird, I use mine for 8 hours at a time at least twice a week. I bought it new in 2009 and its been used the heavily ever since then.

MW3840
May 5, 2013, 01:53 PM
I had the same experience others mentioned regarding the spade connector on the motor. You might want to check that before you buy another motor. One of the spade connectors on mine needed to be replaced. While I was in there, I replaced both of them. In fact, I believe I found that information on this website. That was 3 years ago and its kept right on running.

Reloadron
May 5, 2013, 05:29 PM
Assuming that all the wiring is OK and the motor has failed the motors used in tumblers (vibratory types) are what is known as a small C Frame Shaded Pole type motors. They are very, very common. If you live in the US you want a 120 Volt 60 Hertz version. Look at places like Grainger Industrial Supply (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ecatalog/N-1z0dugb) or other suppliers and find one with the correct dimensions including shaft diameter. They are used for example in small bathroom fan exhaust blowers, small squirrel cage blowers and dozens of applications.

Ron

Walkalong
May 5, 2013, 05:54 PM
Yes, they will surely have a motor that will work. As posted, very common motors.

Maj Dad
May 5, 2013, 09:13 PM
I have used a plethora of tumblers over the years, and the ones that are still cranking are the Thumler's drum tumbler and my Dillon 500. The Thumler's is over 40 years old, same motor and everything, and the Dillon is about 10 years old. I had 2 tumblers crap out within a couple of years and decided to spring for the Dillon, and I not only do not regret but it I am chagrined I didn't get it first. I don't get a commission, and I don't have any edges to grind but this is just my experience and my tuppence.
Cheers,
George J.

twinsdad
May 5, 2013, 10:37 PM
Go for a Berry tumbler, you won't be sorry!

icanthitabarn
May 6, 2013, 12:15 AM
Cabelas just replaced my three yr. old one

RainDodger
May 6, 2013, 03:09 PM
I've got a Lyman Turbo 1200 that I bought in about 1983. It's still working great. The counterweight on the shaft came loose once and I thought it was a goner, but a big old gob of J.B.Weld on the weights made it as good as new again. That was a good 5 years ago. :)

I'd buy another Lyman, no problem.

Walkalong
May 6, 2013, 03:12 PM
+1 for Lyman tumblers. I have had great luck with two different ones. My Berrys is still running strong as well.

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