AR's are superior hunting rifles


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Tirod
January 27, 2013, 04:12 PM
Apparently, there are those who don't understand how different the AR is, and why it is superior to guns with manual bolt action, which includes levers.

When you are aiming the rifle at a game animal and pull the trigger, both guns discharge, the AR cycles the action and reloads, becoming almost immediately available for a second shot. You don't move your hand from the trigger, nor do you lose the sight picture to move your face away from the bolt as you would for the manual action gun. A manual could be fashioned that way, not many have yet.

If the shot was poorly aimed, deviated by vegetation, or the animal moved, there is an immediate need to shoot again - you have a wounded animal. If it gets away, it will not get medical treatment. It will eventually sicken and die. The job needs to be finished, and another better shot taken. That is the better ethical decision that both hunters will most likely exercise.

The AR hunter can process that information while tracking the animal in his sights and pull the trigger again. The manual gunner will be going thru the motions of moving his face, then reacquiring a sight picture to shoot again.

It's a fact semi auto's allow a quicker follow up shot, and also a fact that the shooter will be more accurate with it. While there's a lot of chest thumping machismo out there to defend the manual action gun, where it counts, the professionals choose self loading. It's also more reliable. Manual actions can be short stroked, jamming the action. Semi autos less so, as the force to cycle the action is far more consistent and operates in a well designed window of engineering that takes advantage of it.

In terms of power, the AR is usually NOT a high powered rifle. It's considered intermediate, something between the .308 on one end, and .22LR on the other. It can kill a deer, but it's not a magnum or dangerous game gun. Therefore it has less recoil than the typical hunting rifle, and that makes the user typically more accurate. He's not anticipating heavy recoil, nor does he have to recover from it to make a second shot.

Secondly, the AR has a detachable magazine. Although not the only firearm with one, the magazine allows easier loading and unloading without having to cycle the action and lock another round in the chamber with a cocked hammer or firing pin. It's been an all too frequent occurrence that a gun will discharge when being cleared of ammunition. With the AR, you pull out the magazine, pull back the charging handle, lock tee bolt to the rear, and done. No closing the cocked action repeatedly to pick up another round and eject it.

With these two features, the AR is more accurate, easier to use ethically, and safer than the average 100 year old manual design. Which should make some sense - the evolution of design and mechanics keeps going on. In just the last 25 years we've gone from cast iron engines with analog carburetors, to all aluminum ones with direct cylinder injection. Nobody in Government is insisting that we turn in our new cars and stick with the '60s technology as a moral statement.

Don't accept the argument the AR isn't a "legitimate" hunting rifle. Take a long long look at the traditional ones, they are all the leading military advancement of their day, and well regarded as an improvement. So is the AR. If anything, it is the superior hunting rifle now. Which underlines how wrong it is to ban it.

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threefortyduster
January 27, 2013, 04:50 PM
cool story bro

matrem
January 27, 2013, 06:01 PM
Though I'm not a big .223 advocate for deer, I'll add that one of the does I killed with a 16" AR at 120-125 yds, ran about 20 feet after the shot, suddenly stopped, turned 180 to look at where she had been standing, and caught a second 60 grain partition in the other side of her ribcage.
I couldn't have done that with a bolt gun.

I posted this a few months ago with regards to putting meat in the freezer.

And to think... some would like to deny that advantage when defending your daughter, son, wife, or your own life.

Double Naught Spy
January 27, 2013, 06:48 PM
You know, ARs are not limied to .223. You can get substantially more powerful conversion calibers.

gp911
January 27, 2013, 06:54 PM
Totally true, but after shooting down the "sporting purposes" argument the antis just flip-flop and say you don't need 30 rounds to hunt with and "give the deer a chance for crying out loud". You made your point well though. The opposing side just doesn't care, they only pretend to in order to move their agenda forward.

matrem
January 27, 2013, 07:13 PM
You know, ARs are not limied to .223.
Pretty sure most of us know that.
They are great hunting tools in 5.56 /.223 though..

redneck2
January 27, 2013, 07:23 PM
I have three AR's. One is a Bushie Varminter that I use for prairie dogs, ground hogs, coyotes, etc. up to maybe 400 yards.

Second is a custom wildcat .358 WSSM. My friend used it to take a deer at a lasered 279 yards just a few weeks ago. And yes, it IS legal in Indiana. Shoots three shot groups in the .4's.

See my sig line for the use of the .458 SOCOM

DJW
January 27, 2013, 07:24 PM
This proposed government action is not about the validity of the AR as a hunting rifle. I totally agree with the op as to the advancement in efficiency. This is about CONTROL of what the public is ALLOWED to own. It is about the elite dictating just what we can have and forcing their decisions down our throats. If I read history correctly there was a civil war fought here about this very issue.

Rembrandt
January 27, 2013, 07:35 PM
Have AR's in everything from 308-to-.22 rimfire.....while they can be used for hunting various game, not my first choice in a hunting rifle. 308 is too heavy and awkward. Too many protrusions jutting out from the receiver, grip, mag well, and front sights which get caught on brush. Not that they can't be used for hunting purposes, better caliber choices and trimmer units to pack around.

Old saying comes to mind, if all you own is a hammer.....everything looks like a nail. AR platform should be just one tool in your box of hunting implements.

Ankeny
January 27, 2013, 07:42 PM
The outfitter I work for has several ARs. I have had a few ARs myself. All of the other guides own at least one (most have multiple) ARs. None of us choose to hunt big game with the AR platform. In fact, I have never had a client show up with an AR, and several of them hunt across the globe for weeks on end every year. If you want to hunt with an AR, knock yourself out. But frankly, the manually operated rifle is the choice of most "professional" hunters and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

matrem
January 27, 2013, 07:48 PM
Old saying comes to mind, if all you own is a hammer.....everything looks like a nail.
When I'm trying to do the job of hitting what needs hit, my Ruger 77, shotguns, handguns, Rem 700s, or ARs can all be all adequate hammers.
All hammers will drive a nail.. Some are just better suited for the particular occasion.

M-Cameron
January 27, 2013, 08:27 PM
i love how the media/ politicians rant about how the AR-15 is a super powerful weapon.......but then try to argue that you cant use it for hunting or SD....

how do they figure that?

if its as powerful as they claim, you should be able to hunt elephants with the damn thing....but its all of a sudden not suitable for deer/ hog/ ect.....

and according to the antis...the ar15 is only good for "killing people".....but yet somehow it makes a poor SD weapon....or are we only supposed to use the guns that are bad at killing people to defend ourselves?

KAS1981
January 27, 2013, 09:01 PM
I own an AR15. I really like it. I don't think they should be banned. If somebody wants to use an AR for hunting, have at it.

I am not going to use it for hunting. I don't want to use .223 on a deer (and certainly not on anything bigger), and if I'm going to use a .30 cal semi-auto I'll just get a BAR or Remmy 750, or whatever.

I own my AR for three reasons:

1) I like the rifle and it's a nice addition to the collection.
2) It's fun to shoot.
3) Its intended purpose (figure it out).

My Ruger M77 puts meat in the freezer just fine.

KAS1981
January 27, 2013, 09:02 PM
and according to the antis...the ar15 is only good for "killing people".....but yet somehow it makes a poor SD weapon....or are we only supposed to use the guns that are bad at killing people to defend ourselves?

Truth. Accoriding to Joe Biden, the AR isn't good at killing people compared to a double-barreled shotgun.

Oh really?

Then why is Joe & Co. trying to ban AR's, and not double-barreled shotguns?

docsleepy
January 27, 2013, 09:11 PM
I use AR's (in more than one caliber) for deer and hog hunting. Very effective. Very accurate. Very easy to use.

Robert
January 27, 2013, 09:14 PM
I love my AR but is it superior to my hunting rifle? No. My AR can't shoot 375H&H...

While there's a lot of chest thumping machismo out there to defend the manual action gun, where it counts, the professionals choose self loading.
Ok who would that be?


Don't accept the argument the AR isn't a "legitimate" hunting rifle.
I never have, but I don't buy that they are superior either. Both modern and traditional firearms have their place. One is not superior to the other, if anything they compliment each other.

RockyMtnTactical
January 27, 2013, 09:45 PM
AR15's make great hunting rifles. I use them for coyote and rock chuck hunting, but my nephew took a Buck with one in .223 this last year.

The adjustable stock really makes it nice for a variety of shooters in a variety of sizes too. Also, you can get them in a variety of calibers.

beatledog7
January 27, 2013, 10:06 PM
Somebody said it above, but it bears repeating. The AR is a great platform, but it is not necessarily "superior" to any others for hunting, in spite of the OP's insistence. It is different: it is more highly configurable, and it does allow for fast follow-up shots, and it does have low recoil, but that only makes it "superior" if the hunter needs a rifle that can be quickly reconfigured, provide for a very rapid follow-up shot, and soak up recoil.

A hunter who builds a proper bolt action rifle and sighting system that works as is, makes one-shot kills with said bolt-action rifle, and is not sensitive to recoil does not consider a rifle with the AR's special characteristic to be superior.

H1500308
January 27, 2013, 10:08 PM
It's not about hunting...

hso
January 27, 2013, 10:12 PM
The AR is a legitimate hunting rifle, but it is difficult to defend the contention that it is a "superior" hunting rifle, but then it doesn't have to be the best to qualify as a useful hunting rifle.

My wife hunts deer with a Colt SP-1 with an HBAR 7.62x39 upper and she's very accurate with it out to 300 yards using quality hunting ammunition. I've used a .22lr upper on an AR for small game.

10mm Mike
January 27, 2013, 10:17 PM
My wife hunts deer with a Colt SP-1 with an HBAR 7.62x39 upper and she's very accurate with it out to 300 yards using quality hunting ammunition.

I've always thought this would be a fun combo but from everything I've read, its almost impossible to get a good, reliable magazine for 7.62x39 in an AR. Have you and your wife had that problem, or do you have 5-10 round magazines where its not as much of an issue?

Texan Scott
January 27, 2013, 10:19 PM
I never liked the ergos of the AR type, and while I have no qualms about heavy JSP 223 for runty Hill Country deer, hogs are the reason I prefer 7.62x39 for everything down here.

That said, if Ruger would kindly introduce the mini-14 in .300 BLK, I might switch and never look back.

10mm Mike
January 27, 2013, 10:23 PM
Texan Scott - what about a mini-30?

Shurshot
January 27, 2013, 10:28 PM
+1 on it's not about hunting...

but they sure are nice to mount lasers and lights that are all but impossible to mount on a bolt gun for night hunting.

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