How much is too much? (Ammunition)


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Hurricane
January 27, 2013, 06:19 PM
I was curious how other members felt in regards to stockpiling ammunition. I find the quandary to be that I want enough for myself but I don't want to die sitting on top of thousands and thousands of rounds I never used. By the same token I don't want to have a lot of my money tied up in said stockpile that I never used.

I've seen guys that have tens of thousands of primers and supplies just for reloading. My reloading supplies is anemic in comparison. As for ammunition, depending on the gun I have anywhere from a handful to thousands of rounds. With the current scare I haven't done much shooting, it almost feels like we're in a bad harvest year.

It would be nice to have 10,000 rounds of 9mm but I don't even think I'd get through it all in a lifetime. Granted if there were more shooting events in my area I may. But for pure recreational shooting I have never felt I didn't have enough.

I realize enough and more are obvious answers. But what is considered practical or safe?

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JRWhit
January 27, 2013, 06:25 PM
usually it's enough all the way up until you ask that question.

murphys_law
January 27, 2013, 06:26 PM
I feel like no matter how much I have the price is never going to go down. I've just started shooting regularly in the last year or so, and was caught off guard by this panic although I do have a press for 9mm and components for about 1k rounds. In the future I will slowly start building my supplies to a level I think is appropriate(probably somewhere about 5k) and I will probably get a single stage press so that I can load rifle rounds and start getting components for those calibers. I'm thinking with the exception of .223 I will probably keep enough components on hand for 100 rounds for my rifles and have that much already made or bought.

ball3006
January 27, 2013, 06:50 PM
I just stacked it deep when it was cheap. I have no idea how much I have.....The price of ammo is beyond my means now.....chris3

dragon813gt
January 27, 2013, 07:05 PM
No such thing as to much. Now your insurance company might beg to differ. NFPA only allows for 10k primers and 50#s(in correct wooden container) of powder to be stored in a residential home. Most reloaders are well over this. There is no NFPA limit for small arms ammo storage in a residence. But your municipality might have limits.

The more you have the more you're likely to shoot it up. So the chances of you leaving a lot behind are slim. Barring a random accident that causes an unnatural death.

Buy as much as you can afford as it's not getting any cheaper.


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berettaprofessor
January 27, 2013, 07:12 PM
For your heirs, it'll be like leaving gold bullion behind....and it has gone up faster over the last 5 years than gold (which has doubled itself). So buy what you can afford to set aside and don't sweat it.

22-rimfire
January 27, 2013, 07:13 PM
Buy as much as you can afford and think in terms of what you actually use on a monthly or annual basis in deciding what is enough. If you never shoot a particular caliber and you own a gun in that caliber, one box is probably enough.

glocking26
January 27, 2013, 07:15 PM
15.000 rds of FMJ 9mm here. I have two sub machine guns to feed. Oh yea and a glock 19.

Gaiudo
January 27, 2013, 07:15 PM
Ask yourself this: when is the last time ammo prices went down?

Would you ask yourself: "how much gold is too much gold"?

Twmaster
January 27, 2013, 07:16 PM
I have about a thousand .223 rounds loaded and the components to load another 2500. I look at it as a savings account. I have thousands of rounds of 9MM and .45ACP loaded. I'll not have to buy ammo for a long time.

What ammo shortage?

nathan
January 27, 2013, 07:21 PM
Buy as much you can afford, is the mantra since the 1990s when Clinton enact the 1994 AWB . That is enough to tell you it can come back when the right forces are at work. I have a few thousands of 8 mm mauser surplus . I got them when they were literally cheap , 900 rds for $ 60 from Century Arms.

And that was like nine years ago .

bobinoregon
January 27, 2013, 07:26 PM
The guns I rarely shoot I still like to have at least 200 rounds each. For a few of the collection that is a lifetime supply, for others that is an afternoon of fun. Reloading makes it easier to have more on hand than you might readily use but it never hurts to buy when you can afford a few extra if you have room.

bannockburn
January 27, 2013, 07:30 PM
Honestly I don't believe I will ever feel like I have too much ammo, though I'm sure that when the floors start to sag I may have to rethink my storage options.

Buy whatever you can afford (or find right now), and keep adding to it whenever finances and availability make it possible to do so.

bikerdoc
January 27, 2013, 07:34 PM
Enough plus 100 is too much if your looking for a definition. Usually for the last 45 years I bought 2, shot one, weather it be box, brick, pack or case, Since retiring I have slowed down but I still get some and reload also.

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 27, 2013, 07:38 PM
But what is considered practical or safe?
Those are two very different things. Loaded ammo is pretty safe. Practicality is in the eye of the beholder.

It would be nice to have 10,000 rounds of 9mm but I don't even think I'd get through it all in a lifetime.

10,000 rounds sound like a lot. But it really isn't. At only one range trip a month, shooting only 100 rounds a trip, that's 8 years worth. Hopefully, you're planning on being around a bit longer than that.

But, it really depends. If you're like a large number of gun owners who like the idea of owning guns better than shooting them and make it to the range a handful of times a year, 500 rounds can last for years. My father used to buy a box of .30-06 and expect it to last about 10 years. (1 per year to check the scope's zero, 1 per year for a deer.)

If you do any training classes, 500 rounds lasts a few days. Likewise, those who shoot any of the competitive sports, even on just a recreational basis, can blow through ammo at an alarming rate.

You don't have to be a hardcore shooter or a serious competitor to go through quite a bit of ammo.

I have a decent supply of ammo, but that's because I shoot it up. I don't have it just to have it.

Jim Mac
January 27, 2013, 07:41 PM
after the ammo scare in 08. when we went to walmart, if they had .223 or 9mm I would pick up a box or two. Not sure how much I actually have. Bought 3 tins of 54R for the PSL and nagants, but to be truthful, I went shooting exactly twice last year at the range and only once so far this year, even though Im hoping to go more often. jim

Lex Luthier
January 27, 2013, 08:05 PM
You stack it up in good times and have fun with it. If you are worried about dying, make a will and make a friend very very lucky indeed.

When I go to Jesus, the executor of my estate will make a phone call to one of my best friends who will inherit my entire arsenal; weapons, ammo, tactical gear, everything. Hopefully he will miss me a little bit, but will probably be having too much fun all suited and booted and blowing stuff up. My wife will not have to deal with it and my legacy will carry on in my brother in arms.

Romeo 33 Delta
January 27, 2013, 08:24 PM
Lex ... you're a good friend. I'm certain he will fondly remember you every single day he goes to the range ... I know I would! I'm getting up there myself ... not just ready to quit shooting ... but realize that time is NOT on my side and time is NOT my friend!

How much ammo is enough? If you don't run out ... that's enough. If you do run out ... then you didn't have enough.

RetiredUSNChief
January 27, 2013, 08:25 PM
How much is too much is every bit as personal a decision as how much is enough.

For starters, what are your shooting habits? What is the intented use for the ammunition? What is the availability of the ammunition you shoot?

When ammunition is readily available, obviously one can buy what one needs whenever they need it. There is no need for large stores of ammunition beyond some amount for self defense and a few extra boxes.

If one is heavy into shooting sports, then the need to have large amounts increases dramatically. Buying in bulk saves money. Precision reloads in bulk for accuracy and shooting schedule means a larger stock on hand.

If one shoots routinely to maintain a certain level of proficiency, for whatever reason, than a larger amount of stock is generally called for, for the same reasons as for sport shooting.

If all a person does, or cares to do, is occasional plinking, target shooting, or hunting, then smaller amounts are generally called for.

If one is planning for the Zombie Apocalypse, then stockpiling like you're Burt Gummer is in order.

BSA1
January 27, 2013, 08:39 PM
How much is too much?

When I have one more round of ammunition than you.

Queen_of_Thunder
January 27, 2013, 08:43 PM
Honestly I don't believe I will ever feel like I have too much ammo, though I'm sure that when the floors start to sag I may have to rethink my storage options.

Buy whatever you can afford (or find right now), and keep adding to it whenever finances and availability make it possible to do so.
When the floors sag you either reinforce the floor or move into a home with a stronger floor or ship the ammo to me.

Rembrandt
January 27, 2013, 08:47 PM
Once hunted with an old timer in Wyoming that only needed one round each year to bag his deer. He reached into his jacket and pulled out an old worn 20 round box of 30-06 which had five loaded rounds remaining. The 15 spent cases represented 15 deer bagged each of those years.

How much is too much?.......depends on how good a shot you are.

wooly bugger
January 27, 2013, 08:53 PM
I used to think stockpiling was for kooks. Now I wish I'd been a kook.

I'm in catch up mode, buying whatever I can now. Thankfully match quality .22LR (~$10/box) is still available. I don't shoot that much, and my guns are snobby about the bulk stuff, so I've been buying what I can. I'd rather shoot 50 rounds of Lapua Center-X than a brick of Remington Thunderbolts.

I'm getting an M1 Garand as soon as CMP ships it to me, and once I figure out what it likes, I'll buy a ton of that as well as learning to reload and buy components.

My two biggest ammo-related fears (in descending order) are:
1) FFL + NICS to purchase anything but the run of the mill stuff. Enhanced by a NYS-style reporting to the state of quantity purchased, which will make bulk purchases uncomfortable. So, basically a $100 surcharge on my Lapua and M2 ball.

2) High taxes on ammo. They're proposing 5% in NJ, but if that passes, it's just the camel's nose, I'm sure.

4v50 Gary
January 27, 2013, 08:55 PM
Too much is never the issue.

dfsixstring
January 27, 2013, 09:01 PM
I've been putting ammo away for a while, now I'm glad I did. It's like buying stocks - buy low, sell high. In this case, buy cheap and hold tight when its as high as it is now.


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JohnBT
January 27, 2013, 09:02 PM
I'm thinking of having some bumper stickers made...

You can never be too thin, too rich or have too much ammo.


"an old worn 20 round box of 30-06 "

When I was a kid in the '50s I knew two kinds of gun owners. There were those who owned more than half a box of ammo and those with less than half. ;) They were all good shots. I grew up thinking everybody could shoot.

John

P.S. - I'm still shooting Wolf Match Target .22 I bought for $15/brick.

DeepSouth
January 27, 2013, 09:53 PM
When your selling stuff to buy ammo, you probably have enough.

Ignition Override
January 27, 2013, 10:06 PM
Ammo is an asset. If you can afford it and store it in a dry place, you can Not have too much.
Can women sell their unused extra shoes and purses?
As I pointed this out to my wife, she was reminded that ammo/guns can be sold or traded and often for what they cost, if you are patient.

I traded 1,900 rds. of Russian .223 for 2,000 rds. of Russian 7.62x39 in the driveway of a nice young guy in Texas.
Had it in the trunk during the roadtrip for the leg home from San Antonio, just in case the timing worked out. The trade was initiated via THR "WTS".

TanklessPro
January 27, 2013, 10:08 PM
I don't consider myself a stockpiler or hoarder of ammo. I like to think of myself as a Collector. :D
When you count by k's it's easier. :p

Utryme
January 27, 2013, 10:13 PM
No such thing as to much. Now your insurance company might beg to differ. NFPA only allows for 10k primers and 50#s(in correct wooden container) of powder to be stored in a residential home. Most reloaders are well over this. There is no NFPA limit for small arms ammo storage in a residence. But your municipality might have limits.

The more you have the more you're likely to shoot it up. So the chances of you leaving a lot behind are slim. Barring a random accident that causes an unnatural death.

Buy as much as you can afford as it's not getting any cheaper.


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They have no business knowing my inventory. That would defeat the purpose.

flyskater
January 27, 2013, 11:30 PM
Its not "How much is too much?" It's more like "Will this stockpile of ammo fit in the storage?"

Zardaia
January 27, 2013, 11:37 PM
For your heirs, it'll be like leaving gold bullion behind....and it has gone up faster over the last 5 years than gold (which has doubled itself). So buy what you can afford to set aside and don't sweat it.
Hmm, never really thought of that. "to my son i leave my 50,000 rounds of 5.56.". "Thanks dad!!!"

EBK
January 27, 2013, 11:38 PM
If you can no longer store it and can not find anywhere to safely store it, then you have too much.

In other words there is no such thing as too much.

gspn
January 27, 2013, 11:43 PM
Lots of responses here...I don't think I've seen anyone ask you what the alternative use is for the money?

Some here would have you think that ammo is more precious than gold and it will magically always go up in value...those same types of people were telling everyone that home prices never fall and were speculating in real estate all the way up to the time the bubble burst. We've heard it all before...and speculators are frequently wrong.

If you have a need or want for the ammo and the expense isn't keeping you from achieving your other financial goals then by all means buy more. If buying more ammo than you think you need is going to keep you from achieving your other important financial goals in life then cut back on ammo and push your cash into other areas.

Coming onto a gun forum and asking this question is like going to a crack-house and asking if they think you should buy some rock. You're going to get a terribly biased answer.

Tommygunn
January 27, 2013, 11:48 PM
You will know when you have too much ammo when its weight becomes so great it crushes through the floor and forms an enormous crater in the floor below.:neener::rolleyes::what:

Trent
January 28, 2013, 02:32 AM
Too much ammo only factors in when you have to MOVE it.

How much do you shoot? How much would you LIKE to shoot? Is your frequency of shooting going to go up or down in future years? (e.g. I'll do a LOT more shooting, someday, when I retire.)

Will your future available funds change? When you retire, will you be on a fixed income? If so, stocking up now might be a decent idea.

I don't regret ever buying ammo. I seriously doubt I ever would.

Hell, I wish I'd bought a LOT more ammo than I did, 10 years ago.

BHP FAN
January 28, 2013, 02:40 AM
I think too much is more than will fit in a pick up bed.

BHP FAN
January 28, 2013, 02:41 AM
I think too much is more than will fit in a pickup bed.

JohnBiltz
January 28, 2013, 03:44 AM
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"
—Rudyard Kipling

After the '08 shortage I decided to keep on hand a one year supply on hand. I'm not stocking up for the inevitable zombie apocalypse. I shoot every week and want to continue to shoot every week.

Havok7416
January 28, 2013, 05:17 AM
Too much ammo only factors in when you have to MOVE it.


I have a finite limit on my ammo and reloading components for this exact reason. I end up moving all the time for my job and hauling 10's of thousands around just isn't practical. An ammo box full of boxed ammo for a given caliber is usually enough to last me quite awhile and even less than that for calibers I use infrequently.

12131
January 28, 2013, 05:42 AM
I always say this. Words such as "too much", "enough", and "need" should be deleted from the gun owner's dictionary. They rank right up there with "AWB ban".

evan price
January 28, 2013, 06:33 AM
Are you on fire or sinking?

Is buying more ammo depriving you or your family of needed essentials?

If no, then you don't have too much ammo.

I would say that my return on investment in ammo and components is outpacing my 401(k) in the past 5 years.

IMHO, stocking up on components for reloading has proven to be one of the most prudent things I ever did. Some buckets of brass, a few 8# jugs of powder, and a couple cases of primers, a stack of lead ingots, a handful of Lee's 6-cavity molds, boxes of jacketed bullets and buckshot, a jug of Liquid Xlox bullet lube and a lead melting pot take up less room than a pallet of ammo, and I now am much more versatile than just stocking ammo. Plus the components can be resold quickly if I need some cash.
At the very least, I can still shoot 308 winchester rifle and not feel like I am closer to the poorhouse with every trigger pull.

Westfair
January 28, 2013, 10:56 AM
If you open your front door and can't reach the kitchen anymore due to ammo boxes - you might have too much. :D

I come from a family who have reloaded for generations. We don't have an insane amount but I can just imagine what the news would say about it.

rodinal220
January 28, 2013, 11:22 AM
You can never have too much ammo.

goldie
January 28, 2013, 12:03 PM
I was buying those 500 & 650 round 7.62x39 spam cans when they were 65.00,glad i did.got about 6,000 rounds of the russian ammo, glad i got it when it was reasonable. .ive also been buying a brick of 22 here & there in the last year every time i was in walmart. got about 18 bricks of federal at less than 20.00 each.wish i bought twice or 3 times these amounts....

mgmorden
January 28, 2013, 12:12 PM
Personally I think if you've got anything more than 73.4 million rounds of ammo you've probably gone a bit overboard.

mrvco
January 28, 2013, 12:23 PM
Good news for the producers of Hoarders and Intervention... "Grandpa has accumulated more than 75,000 rounds of 7.62x39 and he doesn't even own a gun that can chamber it... We think it might be time to have a little family discussion and a yard sale" :D

Friendly, Don't Fire!
January 28, 2013, 12:33 PM
When you need a forklift to lift the pallets of ammo, you might have too much.

When the floors in your house are about to collapse into the basement, you might have too much.

BigDaddyNEB
January 28, 2013, 02:45 PM
My SIL works for Hornady. Every month they have boxes of blemished ammo they can't sell, so they let the employees place orders for it. The common sizes Always go first, 9mm, .223, .243, .270, 30-06 and so on. She asked what i would like, so i told her grab whatever is left....I have about 1200 rnds of .22-250 that i'm hoarding now, along with various other sizes. My wife keeps asking me if I even have a weapons in those calibers, "Nope, but i can always trade".

BTW....this isn't white box stuff either....Tap, Super performance, match, steel match, critical defense...I have quite the selection.

JohnM
January 28, 2013, 02:54 PM
1200 22-250! Nice. Seems like it took forever to get around 500 put together.
And about as many 220 Swift.
All the rest, I dunno, lots. :D

Arkansas Paul
January 28, 2013, 02:58 PM
Personally for me, I would rather stock up on components than loaded ammo, but that's just one man's opinion. That way, you can load for what you need. For instance, if you have Unique powder, you could load for nearly any handgun, thus could load for whichever one you need more ammo for.
Anyway, it makes sense in my head.

fallout mike
January 28, 2013, 03:00 PM
Just have to make sure you have primers and bullets as well for all your favorites.

rodregier
January 28, 2013, 03:05 PM
The only time you can have too much is when treading water or hugging it in the middle of a fire :-)

Ignition Override
January 28, 2013, 03:17 PM
The present ammo panic might not be the last we experience, so the choice is to buy some when you have the cash, or be unprepared.
If any of your children enjoy shooting, maybe buy some to prepare them for future panics or import taxes.

Remember, over time a series of small increases in ammo taxes or bans on foreign ammo etc could accumulate and make shooting unaffordable for most people.

sean326
February 2, 2013, 10:32 PM
no such thing as too much.

We have 3 areas of stored ammo.

Totally non tox lead free projectile and primer for our home range, 8 calibers 1,000 rds per caliber. Not carefully inventoried, just restocked when the stack gets to about 10 boxes per caliber.

"shooting shelf" this is ammo for outdoor shooting 1,000 to 2,000 rounds in 15 calibers. Not inventoried just reordered by eye.

Every time a caliber for the "shooting shelf" drops below 1,000 rds we buy 2 cases or 2,000 rds. We put 1 case back up on the shooting shelf and the 2nd case we put into long term storage... Just in case... Ya know zombies, it's not if only when!

Long term storage is now at 38,000 rds carefully inventoried And never tapped.

So all totaled we are at about 60,000 rds.


It doesn't go bad, both my kids shoot so it'll get used and appreciated.

22-rimfire
February 2, 2013, 10:36 PM
Sounds good Sean. I just hope your kids understand what it took to put it there.

rcmodel
February 2, 2013, 10:40 PM
There isn't too much ammo.

Unless you are drowning, on fire, or under government or TV news team investigation for something.

rc

sean326
February 2, 2013, 10:46 PM
Sounds good Sean. I just hope your kids understand what it took to put it there.
Their good kids we all shoot, my older boy is a physics grad student and is happy to shoot a mag every few months through his tricked out 1911, my "little guy" ships out to Parris island in June and is a gun nut like me. 3 times a week at our home range, always a gun under construction and a suppressed sten if something goes bump in the night. I've got guns from my grandfather and dad, they'll get mine. I think our shared interest in guns, shooting and hunting together has been instrumental in creating a very nice, easygoing, drama free family of over achievers.

xjsnake
February 2, 2013, 11:28 PM
I'm relatively new to the hobby so I'm working towards a stock of 1000rds for each caliber I own

NeuseRvrRat
February 2, 2013, 11:36 PM
never enough

NHCraigT
February 2, 2013, 11:45 PM
What is this "ennuff"....that you speak of???

Queen_of_Thunder
February 3, 2013, 01:06 AM
I can shoot upwards of 5,000 to 10,000 rounds a year in pistol calibers so 100,000 rounds sounds like a base line number to work up from. Now if I win the lotto I can build that kind of stash but in the meantime I can only afford a very small fraction of the desired ammo to have on hand. Money and space are my only barriers to building a sufficient stash of ammo.

Queen_of_Thunder
February 3, 2013, 01:08 AM
I'm relatively new to the hobby so I'm working towards a stock of 1000rds for each caliber I own
Thats a good start.

Batty67
February 3, 2013, 11:02 AM
If you are having problem paying bills or providing for your family because of ammo purchases...that's probably not a good thing. As for me, I'm trying to get to 2k rounds of 9mm (I have about 1300), 2000 .30 carbine (also about 1300), and 3k of 45 acp (about 1900). I shoot 45 a lot. I also have about 6k of 22LR.

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