Deep concealment pistol


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Wilbert
January 27, 2013, 05:57 PM
First off, I wanted to say hello to everyone. I'm new here, but have been reading posts and leaching good information for quite some time ;)

I'm looking to buy another handgun. For the past several years, there is almost nowhere I go without at least my lcp. It hides easy, but for me is just not the most "shootable" pistol. I feel that it is better than nothing, but would be a bit more comfortable with something a bit more powerful and with a better trigger. I hate DOA's. I understand their purpose, I just personally don't like DOA's with a hammer. I'm okay with striker fired pistols.

Other than that, when I can get away with it, I carry my S&W 1911pd. Sweet pistol and it conceals pretty well, but it's just not good for deep concealment.

So, I'm just trying to get some opinions. Maybe some people have some personal experience with a few that I've been considering. I've been seriously looking into an xds 45, but have also considered something along the lines of a S&W Shield. Any personal experiences would be appreciated, as would other recommendations. Remember- deep concealment. I'm going to be sitting down a lot and don't want the people behind me to see a gun poking out of my shirt (sitting down is usually when printing becomes a concern for me)

Thanks!

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Giterboosted
January 27, 2013, 06:09 PM
Well for DEEP concealment, I like my NAA pug .22mag, but for an autoloader I love my keltec p32 with some good hot loads

Wilbert
January 27, 2013, 06:21 PM
Yeah, my lcp disappears pretty easily, but I'm just not as proficient with it as I'd like to be. It would be good for very close quarters, but I'm looking for something with a somewhat better sights and a better trigger

RH45
January 27, 2013, 06:32 PM
For deep concealment, I carry a S&W .380 Bodyguard, with a clipdraw attached, and a Hogue handle, over the grip. I can tuck it in my waistband, and it disappears under a t shirt.
It isn't the easiest to shoot accurately, but, I handled the little Rugers, and doubt I could hit the broad side of a barn with one.
My second smallest, is a Kimber Solo, which is just a little smaller than the shield I had.

Hunter991
January 27, 2013, 06:35 PM
The bodygaurd 380 is very easy to conceal. If you want a bigger caliber look at the kahr cm9

Atbat82
January 27, 2013, 06:40 PM
I'm quite enamored with my Walther PPS. Conceals easily, shoots a more than capable 9mm, and is actually kind of fun to shoot. I usually carry with a 6 round mag and keep and 8 round spare mag on me.


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Wilbert
January 27, 2013, 06:58 PM
I've handled the bodyguards. Good feeling little pistol, but to me, the triggers felt even tougher tan the lcp. I'm trying to stay away from DOA's with a hammer. I'm mainly looking at striker fired pistols or something with a single action hammer.

Atbat82,
How do you carry your PPS?

Hunter,
I do like the cm9. The trigger pull is long, but smooth in the samples that I've held

RH45,
I love the solo! Well, the way in feels anyway. I've never shot one. They're about as plentiful unicorns over here
(and we all know what happened to them after the ark set sail)

Thanks for all the replies guys! I love hearing what people are carrying and how.

2wheels
January 27, 2013, 07:20 PM
If you like 1911s, try the Sig P238 (.380) or Sig P938 (9mm).

Not much bigger/heavier than your LCP, but it's a MUCH better shooter.

WoodchuckAssassin
January 27, 2013, 07:32 PM
Not wanting a DA does limit your choices somewhat, but I understand where you're coming from. The Sig would get my vote. I love that they come in a 9mm!

I've always been very curious about the NAA .22, but I just can't go with a .22 (or even 22 magnum) as a self defence round.


UPDATE: I found this other thread that has EXACTLY what you're looking for.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=699300

Wilbert
January 27, 2013, 07:39 PM
The sig does seem like a very good option. I was so excited when they came out with those 938's. Especially for a guy like me who grew up on single actions.

I bought the lcp when they first came out, but if I had've waited until the 238 came out, I probably would have bought that and not really worried too much about getting something more powerful. Someday I might replace my lcp with a j-frame for backup.

Hunter991
January 27, 2013, 08:16 PM
Forgot to mention the cw9 from kahr as well. I have both cm and cw both great

Atbat82
January 27, 2013, 08:55 PM
Atbat82,
How do you carry your PPS?


I've got a Kydex IWB. I'm not sure who makes it (came with the gun when I bought it). It's custom fit to the gun and is very comfortable. I'm a big guy (at least a wide guy) but with the 6 round flush-fit magazine, there is no printing. I could probably wear spandex and this thing wouldn't print (though, my God, no one would want to see that!!!)

Good luck with your search!

Tom


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C0untZer0
January 27, 2013, 09:01 PM
I had a Colt Mustang for a time, I've heard that the Sigs have a more positive detent on the safety, I did find one time that the safety on my Colt had been swept off - only happened once and it made me realize that I wanted a holster that protected that safety.

Wilbert
January 27, 2013, 10:02 PM
UPDATE: I found this other thread that has EXACTLY what you're looking for.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=699300

Now THAT would do the job! I even forgot to mention that the main purpose for this deep concealed pistol was for grizzly bear. I think open carry or using a rifle paints a big target on your back :p

Bobo
January 27, 2013, 10:36 PM
Deep concealment is more about HOW you carry than WHAT you carry.

Try a SmartCarry holster. It allows you to carry a large gun comfortably 24/7.

I carry a Springfield XDm .45 Compact 3.8" barrel (9+1)with a spare 13 round magazine in my SmartCarry.

It takes some time to get used to and some practice to draw quickly, but it allows the ultimate combination of handgun concealment and fire power.


Bobo

Wilbert
January 27, 2013, 11:37 PM
I've been mostly interested in the kydex/leather hybrid holsters like the crossbreed. I'm thinking either in the pocket or more likely inside the pant for carry.

EmGeeGeorge
January 27, 2013, 11:58 PM
I carry an XD 9SC sometimes, but usually a 442 with a Bianchi(?) clip draw type handle.
Also pictured is my M380. Great DAO trigger, light, disappears with a clip-draw.
Spyderco Delica for reference.

GLI45
January 28, 2013, 02:04 AM
Ditto to 2Wheels comments on the Sig P238. Great little gun. As a 1911 junkie I really like it. Surprisingly accurate, great sights (unlike many sub compacts), easy to rack, nice trigger, and less felt recoil than any of the other small .380s I've tried. Many pack a pretty sharp jolt and I find them uncomfortable to shoot. I bought and traded in a Kahr, S&W Bodyguard, and a CZ prior to getting the Sig.

Shadow 7D
January 28, 2013, 03:24 AM
Kel Tech P32
smaller than your wallet
most likely lighter than it too.

bannockburn
January 28, 2013, 06:20 AM
Wilbert

If you prefer a SAO design then the SIG P-238 or P-938 would be a great way to go. However if you do change your mind about DAO designs, then I would suggest looking at the Kahr PM9, or if you prefer something a bit larger in caliber, then the PM45.

Skribs
January 28, 2013, 11:20 AM
I'm looking at replacing my LCP for some of the same reasons you are. Normally I like 10+1 minimum capacity and 9mm minimum cartridge, but there isn't one small and light enough to comfortably carry in workout clothes if I should so decide. The LCP is my best concealer, but I'm looking at replacing it with the Keltec P32. Consider that Keltec is what the LCP is based on (specifically the P3AT, but the P32 is pretty similar) and the P32 is even smaller/lighter, it's a win/win if concealment is your goal.

If you want something a bit bigger, the Sig P238/938 is a great option. I'd recommend the 938 because it's about the same size, but the advantage of 9mm cannot be ignored.

Mosbyranger
January 28, 2013, 11:55 AM
If you can find one, and can stomach the likely asking price, take a look at the Colt Government 380. Thin, light and easy to cc with. Colt is again coming out with another edition of the Mustang, smaller than the Government, due out this year. The smaller Sigs are based on this design. Good Luck!
MR

Ehtereon11B
January 28, 2013, 01:23 PM
My deep conceal is an obscure (well functioning) AMT Backup .380. Disappears in a pocket and the weight tames the recoil a bit. Just have to watch the grip safety for pinches.

My recommendation would be a small framed revolver such as a J-frame. Or go extra small and get a .22Mag from NAA, all depends on what your clothing options allow.

BSA1
January 28, 2013, 10:26 PM
Seacamp.

Wilbert
January 29, 2013, 02:03 AM
I'm not against DAO's in a striker fired pistol. I just don't like DAO's with a hammer (i.e. sig p250, ruger lcp, etc.).

I may have made up my mind for the Springfield XDS... maybe go with a crossbreed type holster too

C0untZer0
January 29, 2013, 04:05 PM
EmGeeGeorge - was the trigger on your Taurus M380 gritty at first?

I've read where owners have had to clean out flash or metal grit and just generally clean up the springs to get rid of trigger grittiness

SharpsDressedMan
January 29, 2013, 07:01 PM
My idea of deep concealment is a Walther PPS in a bellyband rig, with the gun under the armpit, wearing a sport or dress shirt over it.

AJChenMPH
February 2, 2013, 09:55 AM
Regardless of what you decide to get/carry, what about using a holster shirt, like this one from 5.11?

http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Shirts/Undergear-Shirts/Holster-Shirt.html

If you wear a buttondown shirt that's not too tight, this should be just about undetectable...provided you don't give hugs as part of your job.

jon_in_wv
February 2, 2013, 01:58 PM
I've owned carried a Ruger LCP and I currently own and carry a BG380. Both are great choices but I find the BG380 a much better piece. It has a better trigger, sights, and is a little better constructed than the LCP. I consider the BG380 the best of the breed. I don't have any experience with the Kahr 380 but I would think it would do very well also.

HKGuns
February 2, 2013, 03:04 PM
Keltec P32 is the ticket, even if I can't get the mag seated before taking a picture of it.

http://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v20/p515684713-5.jpg

Takem406
February 2, 2013, 10:35 PM
I use a Glock 27 with a Crossbreed. Tuck my shirt in then with a sports coat I'm ready for Sunday Mass! That or a holster shirt and a snapped shirt.

The Glock is a little fat, maybe the new 30SF or XDS would be slimmer. I was going to go that route but I wanted higher capacity.

In God and Glock we Trust

Big20
February 3, 2013, 10:07 PM
My Kahr cm-9 disappears easily.

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