Wolff XP vs RP Springs


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Havok7416
January 28, 2013, 03:25 AM
I am looking at getting some replacement springs from Wolff for my soon-to-be-acquired EAA Witness. Which set of springs should I get for my gun? I don't plan on shooting any nuclear loads through the gun but I will be loading my own rounds after shooting through a pile of factory ammo. Any input is appreciated.

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Pilot
January 28, 2013, 07:52 AM
Why are you replacing the recoil spring? Is the gun used? A few years ago, many, including myself were going with heavier (higher lb rating) recoil springs. More recently, I have gone back to factory weight springs for the most part because I shoot only standard pressure ammo or my own reloads which are usually a bit lighter.

If you are oing to shoot a lot of +p, then consider going one level up in weight but I would not recommend a steady diet of +p for practice.

wally
January 28, 2013, 08:38 AM
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is generally good advice.

Drail
January 28, 2013, 10:00 AM
If you buy a used gun the first thing you should do is replace the recoil spring because you have no idea how long it has been in the gun. Stick with factory spring ratings for the gun. For all magazines buy extra power springs and replace the old ones (unless the mags are new). Don't waste your money on +P ammo. Practice.

Havok7416
January 28, 2013, 12:52 PM
I guess I didn't clarify this but the EAA Witness has a track record of cracking slides and frames. Apparently the factory does not install the proper recoil spring and it is recommended to change it when you receive the pistol. The gun I have is brand new as will be the slide conversion. From the stories that are circulating around about the Witness, the spring change fixes the problem but I'm not sure which set of springs to get.

wally
January 28, 2013, 02:20 PM
Witness has a track record of cracking slides and frames. Apparently the factory does not install the proper recoil spring

If you are worried about excess recoil cracking things, a stronger hammer spring will do you more good than a stronger recoils spring. While a stronger recoil spring may reduce the impulse of the slide going back it will definitely increase the impact moving forward and could end up making things worse.

My experience with EAA Witness pistols is if you get good mags you will be very happy, if not you'll have lots of misery trying to find ones that work with your pistol -- a stronger recoil spring gives less time for the mag spring to get the next round into feed position, so may trade one issue for another.

Most of my EAA mags have rather quickly needed new springs :(

First try it as it comes straight from the factory, would be my advice.

Havok7416
January 28, 2013, 04:18 PM
Thanks Wally. I intend to purchase the Wolff service pack which I believe includes a hammer spring. My fear of using the pistol with standard springs is that it will crack and I will then have to deal with EAA's lovely customer service.

wally
January 28, 2013, 05:11 PM
Yes but I think the service pack has a standard power hammer spring, so IMHO no point in swapping it out unless you want to delay the unlocking a tad with a stronger hammer spring or are getting failures to fire.


http://www.henningshootsguns.com/ is one of the best places for help with your EAA Witness pistol.

My fear of using the pistol with standard springs is that it will crack and I will then have to deal with EAA's lovely customer service

You will get much better results from them if it cracks under warranty than if it cracks after you changed out any parts!

My EAA 10mm Compact cracked the slide in the first 200 rounds, they made me pay shipping to send it back and insisted on the whole pistol instead of just the upper which makes it a lot more expensive, but they were fast turning it around.

Havok7416
January 29, 2013, 05:05 AM
Well that's true about changing the parts. Maybe I will just roll the dice. I will also be getting a .38 Super longslide conversion for the same gun so it will be getting a variety of loads through it.

hardluk1
January 29, 2013, 02:54 PM
It's allways trail and error when swapping recoil springs. Guys shooting matchs my go only strong enought to cycle reliabley. Hotter rounds go heavier. Know what your cartidge is and the use helps to deside.

Step over to brian ennos forums and visit the witness section as many shooter there with experience . Also henningshootsguns is a great site for parts upgrades and given time to answer insight as to what works best. AS a factory shooter he up to speed.

Pilot
January 30, 2013, 05:27 AM
Are 9MM Witness pistols that prone to frame cracking?

Walt Sherrill
January 30, 2013, 07:28 AM
I guess I didn't clarify this but the EAA Witness has a track record of cracking slides and frames.

Some slides have been reported as cracked, and far fewer frames -- but then only in certain older .45 and 10mm models (all with the larger frame that is now standard) of a specific design. The design has been changed, and if you're getting a new model, it's likely a non-issue.

Changing recoil springs isn't going to do anything to prevent frame or slide problems, as recoil spring don't protect either the slide or frame -- and heavier recoil springs can lead to slide stop damage in Witness and CZ models.

As someone noted, if you want to reduce felt recoil or keep spent brass nearby -- a heavier hammer spring is a good option. It won't help prevent slide or frame damage, either.

The main function of the recoil spring is to return/close the slide a each shot while chambering the next round.

Havok7416
January 30, 2013, 01:10 PM
Are 9MM Witness pistols that prone to frame cracking?
Walt I have a new model (it was delivered not more than 2 months ago). I was unaware the problem had been resolved. Mine is the .45 frame which I got so I could have many caliber options. I only mount the .22 kit on the frame since I have a Baby Eagle that serves the .45 role.

Walt Sherrill
January 30, 2013, 02:17 PM
You will likely NEVER have a problem with slide or frame cracking. They changed the slide design a year or two (maybe longer) ago; the problems were with an older version of the slide. Seeing as how you're only shooting .22s, you would never have a problem, regardless.

Havok7416
January 30, 2013, 02:21 PM
I am currently using my Witness for .22s, however I am getting the .38 Super and 10mm conversion kits for the same frame which is what prompted my concern.

Walt Sherrill
January 30, 2013, 02:27 PM
Frame issues have always been very rare -- probably caused by some obscure problem during manufacture (i.e., stuff happens.) In all my years of shooting, following (reading about) on the internet, I think I've only heard of one [Tanfoglio/Witness] frame failure -- and that in a recent discussion on this topic. I have heard of a few slide failures, as mentioned previously -- but most of them were in 10mm models. Still -- not a LOT (and certainly not common enough to be called "a track record of...")

The slide issue -- if you're buying NEW conversion kit slide -- shouldn't be an issue, either.

There is no need to change the springs in a new gun -- with a used gun, it can be a good exercise, but even with a used gun, if it's working right, it "ain't broke," so it makes no sense to "fix it." You'd be surprised how many "good guns" go bad after the owner starts preventative maintenance. <grin>

Havok7416
January 30, 2013, 02:57 PM
Ok fair enough. I have to wait until next payday but then both conversion kits will be on their way.

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